Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

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UntimelyDhelmise said:
For one thing, they haven't exactly given us anything to talk about. Complete radio silence since the announcement. That and there's been an increasing number of people who liked/defended the game around launch giving a retrospective and going, "Huh, SWSH actually did kinda, suck..."

Interest probably will kick in again, but as it stands now you can just sense this general state of fatigue and apathy. The giant shitstorm wore out a lot of fans' enthusiasm on both sides of the argument.
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honestly the only pokemon news i think of besides the leaks is pokemon clover finally finishing,
what i want to know is what this will do for the next game.
 
Fishious Rend said:
honestly the only pokemon news i think of besides the leaks is pokemon clover finally finishing,
what i want to know is what this will do for the next game.
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They'll either take what has happened with this game to heart and keep it mind for when they develop next entry or they'll continue business as usual.

It's up to you on which you feel will likely happen.
 
They're likely in some sort of recovery phase. Most of their Mobile games have failed in one way or another. Rumble Rush was oversimplified from an already simple beat-em-up, Masters is mediocre at best, and Go isn't the bright star it once was, especially with travel significantly reduced. Sleep is still vaporware. Mystery Dungeon DX had it's own misgivings from going 3D on Unity. They're probably using the Rona as a chance to make some forgivable delays and extensions.

That and they probably want to really wow people with the next release. Better to let fields lie fallow for a while during a very understandable business disruption, and impress at the end, rather than try to dripfeed speculation hype when your dlc is getting delayed for at least some time into the future and people are angry at you already.
 
Disc said:
They're likely in some sort of recovery phase. Most of their Mobile games have failed in one way or another. Rumble Rush was oversimplified from an already simple beat-em-up, Masters is mediocre at best, and Go isn't the bright star it once was, especially with travel significantly reduced. Sleep is still vaporware. Mystery Dungeon DX had it's own misgivings from going 3D on Unity. They're probably using the Rona as a chance to make some forgivable delays and extensions.

That and they probably want to really wow people with the next release. Better to let fields lie fallow for a while during a very understandable business disruption, and impress at the end, rather than try to dripfeed speculation hype when your dlc is getting delayed for at least some time into the future and people are angry at you already.
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I also believe there's some major internal restructuring going on. Back in Feb it was reported that Game Freak would be relocating their offices with Nintendo into one central hub building of sorts, which could hopefully mean that the two will consolidate and coordinate on a closer level for better quality output.
 
UntimelyDhelmise said:
I also believe there's some major internal restructuring going on. Back in Feb it was reported that Game Freak would be relocating their offices with Nintendo into one central hub building of sorts, which could hopefully mean that the two will consolidate and coordinate on a closer level for better quality output.
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That's a good point. Maybe that finished just before Corona-chan appeared, maybe it was still in progress, but it probably means Game Freak was already buckling down for disruption. Doesn't mean that they can't blame delays on the CoroCoro though.

Having Nintendo close at hand can only help Game Freak. They're strongly invested in Pokemon's success and value quality over quantity - a stance that just paid off huge dividends with Animal Crossing. Being part of a larger network of studios would also help take the pressure of GF to release things yearly.
 
Nauseated Courgi said:
They'll either take what has happened with this game to heart and keep it mind for when they develop next entry or they'll continue business as usual.

It's up to you on which you feel will likely happen.
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There's really no financial incentive for them to change their practices. SWSH sold a combined 17.37 million units as of their latest May 7th earnings report. Pokemon games print money no matter how shitty they are.
 
Questionable Ceviche said:
There's really no financial incentive for them to change their practices. SWSH sold a combined 17.37 million units as of their latest May 7th earnings report. Pokemon games print money no matter how shitty they are.
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That and even if the next game is actually better, there's still the elephant in the room in Home. They're sure as hell never going to backtrack on that now that they know they can charge braindead fans out the ass just to keep their tiny bits of data alive, not to mention the standardized features that have been present in the series since gen fucking 4 that were gutted out of the games proper to be slyly shoved behind another paywall.

Only thing to hope for at this point is that they'd want to avoid a Last Jedi situation, where the initial shitpile sold as expected, but what followed after didn't fare nearly as well. Bottom line is, Pokemon's image as a respectable franchise has seen more damage over the past year than the 90's Satanic Panic era could've ever hoped to have incurred. Take a look at Pokemon being mentioned anywhere on the internet these days and chances are decent that it'll be of ridicule, a laughing stock of the gaming community at large. They can still survive on normies who don't care about quality, quite comfortably in fact, but there's no denying that SWSH dealt a hefty blow to its IP's public reception and opinion.
 
UntimelyDhelmise said:
That and even if the next game is actually better, there's still the elephant in the room in Home. They're sure as hell never going to backtrack on that now that they know they can charge braindead fans out the ass just to keep their tiny bits of data alive, not to mention the standardized features that have been present in the series since gen fucking 4 that were gutted out of the games proper to be slyly shoved behind another paywall.

Only thing to hope for at this point is that they'd want to avoid a Last Jedi situation, where the initial shitpile sold as expected, but what followed after didn't fare nearly as well. Bottom line is, Pokemon's image as a respectable franchise has seen more damage over the past year than the 90's Satanic Panic era could've ever hoped to have incurred. Take a look at Pokemon being mentioned anywhere on the internet these days and chances are decent that it'll be of ridicule, a laughing stock of the gaming community at large. They can still survive on normies who don't care about quality, quite comfortably in fact, but there's no denying that SWSH dealt a hefty blow to its IP's public reception and opinion.
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I think they will probably respond to the nat dex thing, if only due to the fact that game freak always listens to the most easily viewable issues people talk about in a game and adjust for the next gen (the removal of customization in ORAS for example). my issue is that I don't think they will learn how to create a game that truly is well developed.
Since my time of posting about it in the thread I have played through the entirety of SWSH and honestly, it felt like one of those games where my opinion before playing it was dead on. It really feels like they had 20 different ideas and the dev team just said "fuck it, lets put it all together it will all work out" causing alot of the design decisions clash with another. It was everything I hated about gens 6/7 aped up due to the lack of polish, the dex is the least of gen 8's issues. It really doesnt feel like there was a core idea or design philosophy when they made it.
I'm not one of those people that thinks pokemon needs a "MAJOR BOTW TIER SHAKEUP ZOMG" and I'm sure many aren't either, it needs more of a luigi's mansion 3 or animal crossing aproach, looking at all of the games before it and noticing what people loved about those entries, while having a clear vision for what to do foward for the series.
Also while linearity is fine, I swear to god if the next game in the series railroads as hard as the other games in the 3d era people will start to get pissed. even kids hate that shit
 
rotollo said:
I think they will probably respond to the nat dex thing, if only due to the fact that game freak always listens to the most easily viewable issues people talk about in a game and adjust for the next gen (the removal of customization in ORAS for example). my issue is that I don't think they will learn how to create a game that truly is well developed.
Since my time of posting about it in the thread I have played through the entirety of SWSH and honestly, it felt like one of those games where my opinion before playing it was dead on. It really feels like they had 20 different ideas and the dev team just said "fuck it, lets put it all together it will all work out" causing alot of the design decisions clash with another. It was everything I hated about gens 6/7 aped up due to the lack of polish, the dex is the least of gen 8's issues. It really doesnt feel like there was a core idea or design philosophy when they made it.
I'm not one of those people that thinks pokemon needs a "MAJOR BOTW TIER SHAKEUP ZOMG" and I'm sure many aren't either, it needs more of a luigi's mansion 3 or animal crossing aproach, looking at all of the games before it and noticing what people loved about those entries, while having a clear vision for what to do foward for the series.
Also while linearity is fine, I swear to god if the next game in the series railroads as hard as the other games in the 3d era people will start to get pissed. even kids hate that shit
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honestly to me it felt like another pokemon game expect slightly worse, do hope they fix that linerarity though, its horribly bad
 
rotollo said:
I think they will probably respond to the nat dex thing, if only due to the fact that game freak always listens to the most easily viewable issues people talk about in a game and adjust for the next gen (the removal of customization in ORAS for example). my issue is that I don't think they will learn how to create a game that truly is well developed.
Since my time of posting about it in the thread I have played through the entirety of SWSH and honestly, it felt like one of those games where my opinion before playing it was dead on. It really feels like they had 20 different ideas and the dev team just said "fuck it, lets put it all together it will all work out" causing alot of the design decisions clash with another. It was everything I hated about gens 6/7 aped up due to the lack of polish, the dex is the least of gen 8's issues. It really doesnt feel like there was a core idea or design philosophy when they made it.
I'm not one of those people that thinks pokemon needs a "MAJOR BOTW TIER SHAKEUP ZOMG" and I'm sure many aren't either, it needs more of a luigi's mansion 3 or animal crossing aproach, looking at all of the games before it and noticing what people loved about those entries, while having a clear vision for what to do foward for the series.
Also while linearity is fine, I swear to god if the next game in the series railroads as hard as the other games in the 3d era people will start to get pissed. even kids hate that shit
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That's kind of where the hope with them rubbing shoulders with Nintendo comes in, that people who know how to actually fucking plan things out and program shit properly (the latter of which the main series has never fully seen from the beginning, nearly every installment is a mess under the hood) will jump in to help make a more well thought out and polished product. Probably wishful thinking but that's about the only way I can see them getting out of this rut.

As for the linearity, what pissed me off the most about that in this instance was the constant, constant state of "See that cool shit? You can only look at it. From a distance. Fuck you." Wyndon in particular gets special mention for the London Eye and Big Ben proxies that are prominently featured on the game map and general marketing of the game but you can't even get close to either of them. Meanwhile Unova had a ridable Ferris wheel nearly a decade prior.
 
I know I'm probably late on this, but...
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Does this mean there was going to be a kiwi pokemon?
 
Too Many Catgirls said:
Are these games any good? Was looking at them on eShop but they don't look like they're worth 60 bucks.
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Better to load up a GBA emulator and go back to Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald imo. You can even try getting a DS emulator and going for the spinoffs like Ranger and Conquest, which I felt were a much better way to expand the franchise than slogging through a bunch of carbon-copy 'new' generations.
 
Lonely Grave said:
Better to load up a GBA emulator and go back to Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald imo. You can even try getting a DS emulator and going for the spinoffs like Ranger and Conquest, which I felt were a much better way to expand the franchise than slogging through a bunch of carbon-copy 'new' generations.
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You describe my feelings for Pokemon very well. I've looked at main series Pokemon games and not played more than I've played at this point. Was hoping this one turned out okay... but Sonic Cycle.
 
To be fair I only really picked up Conquest because I was riding off a huge SRPG obsession (FFTA, Tactics Ogre, Advance Wars, etc) at the time. My starting point for Pokemon was Sapphire and ended in Sun & Moon, but I must have played every Pokemon spinoff in the GBA/DS era. They are only ever briefly mentioned or remembered these days, but they show us a tantalising vision of what the franchise could have been and more.
 
Lonely Grave said:
You can even try getting a DS emulator and going for the spinoffs
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Yeah I agree. Chuggaconroy's let's play of Mystery dungeon DX has really given me an itch for PMD lately and in hindsight I feel like Explorers of sky would still hold up pretty well these days. DX itself seems like a fine remake too but I've always preferred Sky's storyline over the Rescue team games.
 
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GeneralFriendliness said:
Too much ostrich/moa.

Then there's Wailord. A massive whale yet kyogre weighs more than it does.
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After the battle with Groudon, he stop working out and put on the weight. Poor kyogre never quite been the same since.

Also for the sake of it, are we consider Gigantamax Wailord canon for this? Or is that Sword and shied Univerise wailord being a tiny chad normally.
 
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