Joaquin Phoenix as the Joker - Won an Oscar

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What will the combined score of shootings blamed on "Joker" be after opening weekend?

  • 0

    Votes: 13 11.7%

  • 1-10

    Votes: 23 20.7%

  • 11-20

    Votes: 3 2.7%

  • 21-39

    Votes: 5 4.5%

  • 40+

    Votes: 67 60.4%
  • Total voters
    111
  • Poll closed .
Duncan Hills Coffee said:
To be fair, Killer Croc already has a dark depressing backstory.

Long and short of it is he was raised by an alcoholic aunt who abused him. He was also born with a skin condition that made him look reptilian, which caused him to be ostracized from other people. As time goes on, he becomes more animalistic.

Frankly, I think a movie based on Killer Croc would be way more heartbreaking than Joker, since you could make it all about the concept of abuse and what that does to people. Joker is already uncomfortable due to the way it tackles mental illness, but Killer Croc has potential in the way it could show how abuse can essentially damn someone to a life of crime.
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The Scorsese House Band plays Raging Bull with Killer Croc
 
ditto said:
I don't understand why everyone things photo is proof that Thomas Wayne is Arthur's father. Just after the Wall St guys are murdered Thomas is on the TV talking about how everyone at Wayne Enterprises is family, and Penny is like.. "You See.. Family!" like she couldn't tell the difference between a caring boss and an intimate relationship. Also the flashback establishes her as crazy.
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The flashback isn't confirmed an objective one. It's possible it was only Arthur's assumption of what happened.

There's grounds to at least doubt the claim that Penny enabled Arthur to be abused since there's the question of how come Arthur wasn't just taken from her custody rather remain with her. Considering how the movie characterized Thomas Wayne, it's indeed possible that that what happened was that he arranged for Penny to be label an asylum patient so that he could bury her word and so not risk a scandal.
 
I've seen it during the last KF Friday movie nights and... meh, it's OK.
It's better than all the recent superhero schlock because it's a real movie with a DC paintjob, not a safe kid friendly empty spectacle.
Change a few names and the look of Phoenix and you've still got the same movie, just not related to Batman.
The problem is, you have to tie these movies to pre-existing IP's, otherwise they won't sell and this shit sold like like meth in South Dakota.

My main problem is the look of the movie.
Just like 90% of Hollywood movies these days, everything is blue and orange.
I've heard the director talk about how he used color in this movie to create mood and such and I was like:
"MOTHERFUCKER, WHAT?!?"
This literally looks just like everything else, stop lying, man.

Overall, still a turn in the right direction but PLEASE Warner Bros, use more than 2 colors.
I know you can do it because those IT movies looked amazing.
 
I could see the origin of Mister Freeze making a pretty good movie... Victor Fries is similar to Arthur in that he starts out sympathetic enough, and the outside world beats him down to the point of criminality. Unfortunately I don't think they'd be able to top the job that Batman and Robin Batman: The Animated Series already did with the character in Heart of Ice.
 
I wouldn't mind an origin story for the Riddler that is somehow similar or inspired by how Forever showed him but more serious. Smart man feels his genius talents are wasted in a 9-5pm job while others get credit from him.

Joker was a working class man who had nothing and was poor, but you don't have to be this bad to be exploited. People with more stable jobs are also exploited, in this case, by corporations. Joker was about men vs society, this could be man vs corporations.

IICR, Riddler in Batman Forever was dismissed by Wayne because he had a very stupid idea. In this case, it doesn't have to. It could be a good idea that is stolen from him. The big corporation becomes richer while you are stuck in the same place all your life. And those who advance are other rich kids who are dumber than you are. This could happen when Bruce is a bit older, but not yet old enough.

I wouldn't want a Two Face movie because we've have enough of him thanks to Nolan Batman. The Riddler is, imo, an interesting character (duh). At first, you feel for him because he's right, but then he chooses to use his talent for crime because he's a petty bitch who's mad at everybody else. Damn it, make him a Kotaku Journo to see the world explode.
 
Tasty Tatty said:
I wouldn't mind an origin story for the Riddler that is somehow similar or inspired by how Forever showed him but more serious. Smart man feels his genius talents are wasted in a 9-5pm job while others get credit from him.

Joker was a working class man who had nothing and was poor, but you don't have to be this bad to be exploited. People with more stable jobs are also exploited, in this case, by corporations. Joker was about men vs society, this could be man vs corporations.

IICR, Riddler in Batman Forever was dismissed by Wayne because he had a very stupid idea. In this case, it doesn't have to. It could be a good idea that is stolen from him. The big corporation becomes richer while you are stuck in the same place all your life. And those who advance are other rich kids who are dumber than you are. This could happen when Bruce is a bit older, but not yet old enough.

I wouldn't want a Two Face movie because we've have enough of him thanks to Nolan Batman. The Riddler is, imo, an interesting character (duh). At first, you feel for him because he's right, but then he chooses to use his talent for crime because he's a petty bitch who's mad at everybody else. Damn it, make him a Kotaku Journo to see the world explode.
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Two Face done correctly this time would be ideal. I liked Dark Knight but that's not really Two Face. Bane as well. You could make a whole origin movie and have that lead up to an epic Knight Fall series.

I liked Tom Hardy a lot. Bane was the best part of Rises. But that wasn't really Bane. It was better than Batman and Robin, sure. But it's still not really the character. He's not Cuban. He's not taking super steroids. The origin is kind of close-ish. The costume was good although I liked the gimp outfit from New Adventures.
 
frozenrunner said:
There are other great villains, but none as great as he is. Does anyone really want a dark, depressing Clayface movie? Poison Ivy? Killer Croc?
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I really wouldn't mind a movie about any of the characters you mentioned, especially if they actually go with the bigger villains if they make one. Imagine a legal drama about Two-Face, a prison action-horror movie about Bane, a psychological drama about Hugo Strange, a mystery chase thriller about the Riddler or a tragedy about Mr. Freeze. That's just Batman villains. Personally, I think there's a lot of potential there, but I'd really prefer that they don't do a big budget CGI-fest movie. Villains like Darkseid would require that, so I'd prefer if they stick to human-level villains. Lex Luthor would be an awesome choice, though, especially as a contrast to Joker's look at poverty.
 
BrunoMattei said:
Two Face done correctly this time would be ideal. I liked Dark Knight but that's not really Two Face.
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I agree that a Two Face movie could be good, but I don't see what you mean by him "not really being Two Face" in TDK... Yeah they took some liberties with the character (Mainly the Rachel part), like every adaptation does, but all the major pieces were there:
-Good guy DA at first
-Friends with Bruce
-Supporter of Batman
-Tragic accident messes up half his face, and his psyche(and/or brings out his dark side that was always there)
-Uses a coin to decide who lives and dies

I know you weren't defending Batman Forever, but Echkart's Twoface was a hell of a lot more Two Face than Tommy Lee Jones hamming it up and pretending to be Jack Nicholson Joker (And not being Billy Dee Williams).

You're definitely right about that not really being Bane in TDKR though.
 
The Nothingness said:
So how much of Joker's worldwide box office does the IRS take? ;)
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Movie studios are known for their creative accounting, so I don't doubt there's dummy movies out there that are purposefully failing to make Joker's profits being high as humanly possible.
 
UnKillFill said:
I agree that a Two Face movie could be good, but I don't see what you mean by him "not really being Two Face" in TDK... Yeah they took some liberties with the character (Mainly the Rachel part), like every adaptation does, but all the major pieces were there:
-Good guy DA at first
-Friends with Bruce
-Supporter of Batman
-Tragic accident messes up half his face, and his psyche(and/or brings out his dark side that was always there)
-Uses a coin to decide who lives and dies

I know you weren't defending Batman Forever, but Echkart's Twoface was a hell of a lot more Two Face than Tommy Lee Jones hamming it up and pretending to be Jack Nicholson Joker (And not being Billy Dee Williams).

You're definitely right about that not really being Bane in TDKR though.
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The crux of the character is his split personality and struggles with that. Something completely ignored in Dark Knight.
 
DapperShark said:
It also had an R-rating, no release in China, a media frenzy aimed at killing it AND it has still become the most profitable comic book movie of all time ahead of even Avengers: Endgame.
https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-50375452
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Captain Marvel made $150 million in China. That's the only reason it's grossed more than The Joker.
 
Munchingonfish said:
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Captain Marvel made $150 million in China. That's the only reason it's grossed more than The Joker.
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the virgin marvel:
pg-13
needed tons of mouse money
needed china to push it over 1 bil
unsympathetic lead who's only character trait is having a pussy
only message is "be a douchebag and GIRL POWER YEAH!"
cgi cape shit


the chad joker:
rated R
didn't need a big budget
didn't want no ching chung bucks
lead character with flaws, understandable even when he cross over to evil
deep message about how society treats the unfortunate
artistic as fuck
 
A common consensus I've seen in this thread after reading people review the movie is that very very few disliked it. If you don't love it, at the least you recognize the movie as alright. That makes Joker so much better than so many movies out there because usually they're "love it or hate it," but in Joker's case it seems to be "love it or think it's alright"

Well, unless you're a blue checkmark on twitter.
 
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