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Liberalism has 'become obsolete' - Putin

Speaking before the G20 summit, the Russian leader says the political ideology has "outlived its purpose".
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Vladimir Putin has said liberalism is "obsolete" in an interview before he left for the G20 summit.
The Russian president said the ideology that has underpinned Western democracies for decades had "outlived its purpose".
The Russian premier also praised the rise of populism in Europe and America, saying ideas like multiculturalism were "no longer tenable".
His comments came in a wide-ranging interview with the Financial Times.
The piece was published as world leaders began talks on trade and security in Japan.
"[Liberals] cannot simply dictate anything to anyone," said Mr Putin, who has served as president for nearly two decades.
He added that liberalism conflicted with "the interests of the overwhelming majority of the population," and took aim at German Chancellor Angela Merkel for allowing large numbers of refugees to settle in Germany.
"This liberal idea presupposes that nothing needs to be done. That migrants can kill, plunder and rape with impunity because their rights as migrants have to be protected."
Mr Putin, 66, also said Russia had "no problems with LGBT persons… but some things do appear excessive to us".
"They claim now that children can play five or six gender roles," he continued.
"Let everyone be happy, we have no problem with that. But this must not be allowed to overshadow the culture, traditions and traditional family values of millions of people making up the core population."
Aside from remarks on liberalism, Mr Putin also praised US President Donald Trump as a "talented person" who knew how to relate to voters.
Members of the G20 summit meet
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But the Russian leader also said American unilateralism was partly to blame for the ongoing trade war between China and the US, and for tensions with Iran in the Strait of Hormuz.
But EU President Donald Tusk lashed out at Mr Putin on Friday, telling reporters he "strongly [disagreed]" with his sentiments on liberalism.
"Whoever claims that liberal democracy is obsolete also claims that freedoms are obsolete, that the rule of law is obsolete and that human rights are obsolete," said Mr Tusk.
"What I find really obsolete are authoritarianism, personality cults, the rule of oligarchs, even if sometimes they may seem effective," he added.
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I love that Donald Tusk of all people equates freedom, human rights and the rule of law with liberal ideas.

Sorry lesser Donald, but Putin's on to something....
 
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Historically, when Russia has liberalized (Catherine the Great btfo'ing the church, fall of USSR, etc) it has resulted in decades long ethnic conflict from distant groups not identifying under the orthodox Russian identity.
Russia doesn't mix with liberalism.
 
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"Whoever claims that liberal democracy is obsolete also claims that freedoms are obsolete, that the rule of law is obsolete and that human rights are obsolete," said Mr Tusk.
"What I find really obsolete are authoritarianism, personality cults, the rule of oligarchs, even if sometimes they may seem effective," he added.
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Freedoms might work if they applied to everyone, but the EU most definitely likes the last three way better. What part of the world voted pro-censorship again?
 
Just when I thought I hadn’t heard from Tsar Putin lately, he comes out of the woodworks and says this.

I’m not sure how to respond to this though, because he isn’t wrong
 
*TFW the slavnigger still paying protection money to the Chechnyan taliban and failing to bully around a border country a tenth its size led by a literal fucking clown tries to spin himself as the glorious far right ubermensch again*
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Arm Pit Cream said:
Catherine the Great abolishing serfdom
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Lol wut? You do know Russia only abolished serfdom in 1861, 66 years after Catherine the Great's death, right?

Liberalism as an idea isn't dead, because the morons in Europe and America proclaiming themselves to be liberals actually aren't. True liberalism is about maintaining basic civil liberties for all people and not interfering in somebody's life if what they're doing doesn't harm others. It's not about creating massive bureaucracies that control every facet of life while promoting hedonism and mass migration. The LibDems purportedly profess to support the ideas of John Stuart Mil,, but if they truly did they wouldn't be blindly willing to stay in a creaking autocratic institution that thrives off of interfering in people's lives.
 
soy_king said:
Lol wut? You do know Russia only abolished serfdom in 1861, 66 years after Catherine the Great's death, right?

Liberalism as an idea isn't dead, because the morons in Europe and America proclaiming themselves to be liberals actually aren't. True liberalism is about maintaining basic civil liberties for all people and not interfering in somebody's life if what they're doing doesn't harm others. It's not about creating massive bureaucracies that control every facet of life while promoting hedonism and mass migration. The LibDems purportedly profess to support the ideas of John Stuart Mil,, but if they truly did they wouldn't be blindly willing to stay in a creaking autocratic institution that thrives off of interfering in people's lives.
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Late night apologies, I mixed it up with her personal opinions on serfdom and her female empowerment ideas. You are right, though.

The liberalism is dead argument is silly and is only repeated by ideologues. However, what Putin is arguing is that it's obsolete, which is a lot less hyperbolic and has more ground to stand on.
 
I was going to mention that Alexander II abolished serfdom nearly a century after Catherine The Great, but someone beat me to it.

Also, Putin is partly right in that "liberalism" as it is commonly understood in the West (progressive liberalism) is sort of obsolete and the EU has become authoritarian in its efforts to uphold such ideals.

Also, there's the issue of American neoliberalism, which is really just "woke corporatism" and is every bit as destructive and awful as the old neoconservatism that made the Bush years such a shitshow.

The modern concept of liberalism has nothing to do with representative democracy or individual freedom and liberty, all it is a bizarre mix of corporatism, neoliberalism, and progressive rhetoric.

Old-school liberalism still has a place in Western society, but it needs to adapt to the times and distance itself from neoliberalism and corporatism in general.

As for Putin himself, let's be real here. Russia and liberalism mix about as well as water and oil.
 
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Arm Pit Cream said:
Historically, when Russia has liberalized (Catherine the Great abolishing serfdom, fall of USSR, etc) it has resulted in decades long ethnic conflict from distant groups not identifying under the orthodox Russian identity.
Russia doesn't mix with liberalism.
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Serfdom was "abolished" in 1649 by the Church and cosignatories of the Assembly Code, and by "abolished" I mean it was replaced with chattel slavery.

Slavery was abolished in 1861 by Alexander II. Catherine II died in 1796.

In the context of dynastic shenanigans, Kate v2.0 is most remembered for offing her husband Peter III and wanting to be succeeded by her grandson Alexander I and snub her traitor LARPer son Paul I. (Seeing as Paul I has a number after his name, that latter plan failed.)

Alexander I was the emperor during the Napoleonic wars (Napoleon had been counting on the slaves being thankful for freedom welcoming the French, tough shit), which reignited the abolitionist movement and precipitated the Decemberist uprising of 1825.

What I'm saying is misattributing the abolition of "serfdom" to pre-Napoleonic times is like confusing the American Revolution and the Civil War.

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Stahp! I don't want to like you, Mr. Putin! But you're making it difficult when you speak truths like this.
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Oh my fucking god no. He's not talking about woketard US "liberalism" / "leftism", he's talking about classic midcentury Euro liberalism aka free speech, due process, and private enterprise.
 
Arm Pit Cream said:
Late night apologies, I mixed it up with her personal opinions on serfdom and her female empowerment ideas. You are right, though.

The liberalism is dead argument is silly and is only repeated by ideologues. However, what Putin is arguing is that it's obsolete, which is a lot less hyperbolic and has more ground to stand on.
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Didn't want to give you a "dumb" because everything else was spot on. Idk though about it being obsolete. While it's somewhat dying in the West, more countries are liberal democracies than ever before, and even in the West there is a rekindling of interest in what is essentially social libertarianism. The problem imo is that liberals tend to not be very vocal, and the vocal minorities are the ones that drive the conversation.
Syaoran Li said:
I was going to mention that Alexander II abolished serfdom nearly a century after Catherine The Great, but someone beat me to it.

Also, Putin is partly right in that "liberalism" as it is commonly understood in the West (progressive liberalism) is sort of obsolete and the EU has become authoritarian in its efforts to uphold such ideals.

Also, there's the issue of American neoliberalism, which is really just "woke corporatism" and is every bit as destructive and awful as the old neoconservatism that made the Bush years such a shitshow.

The modern concept of liberalism has nothing to do with representative democracy or individual freedom and liberty, all it is a bizarre mix of corporatism, neoliberalism, and progressive rhetoric.

Old-school liberalism still has a place in Western society, but it needs to adapt to the times and distance itself from neoliberalism and corporatism in general.

As for Putin himself, let's be real here. Russia and liberalism mix about as well as water and oil.
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Liberalism was essentially co-opted by American Marxists in order to rebrand themselves after they lost all goodwill from the term Progressive. In Europe it still tends to mean what it originally meant, even if the parties there don't practice the ideology, and you're spot on about neoliberalism.

If anyone in this thread is a German, can you explain what exactly the FDP does and believes? From what I've read about them, they seem to embody a lot of the classical liberal ideals, but I suspect it's not true in practice.
 
I'm a liberal and I wish I were dead.

Everyone is jumping up and down begging to be slaves.
 
Ped Xing said:
I'm a liberal and I wish I were dead.

Everyone is jumping up and down begging to be slaves.
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Socialism is not difficult- all human conflict is economic in nature. If we eliminate economic inequality then racism and other social ills will be naturally decreased.

Not once did I mention dickgirls or killing whitey

Frankly I don't know how they got it so backwards.
 
I read the transcript of the entire interview.... it runs to about 15 pages. The mods might lose their minfs if I posted it. It is actually really good. He comes across as impressive, devious at times (like with spying...) but the shit he says about liberalism is right. He talks about unchecked immigration, sexual identity confusion and the fact the people have lost faith in the elite running their "democracies". He's on to something there. He may have helps a bit, bt most of the lack of faith is an own goal, caused by globalism and neo-liberalism where everyone is turned into a consumer and everything is a market.
I always thought he would be interesting to talk to, over a cup of tea.
 
Putin is a master politician and an extremely smart guy. Listen to him speak and compare him with politicians in the US and you will despair, regardless of your own political views - he comes across as borderline philosophical in his addresses to the nation. It's funny that everyone freaked out about the Russian interference in the election because for the most part, Russia was just dropping truth bombs on the American people, and the contrast with what the Democrats were telling the American people was frightening - I would prefer for our own leaders to tell us the truth, not motherfucking Russia.
 
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ConfederateIrishman said:
>its not true liberalism
Great, now the thread is starting to sound like commies
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Liberalism did work in America, though, 1800-1860.

Sīn the Moon Daddy said:
Socialism is not difficult- all human conflict is economic in nature. If we eliminate economic inequality then racism and other social ills will be naturally decreased.

Not once did I mention dickgirls or killing whitey

Frankly I don't know how they got it so backwards.
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Nigger did you just call me a Socialist
 
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