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Liberalism has 'become obsolete' - Putin

Speaking before the G20 summit, the Russian leader says the political ideology has "outlived its purpose".

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Vladimir Putin has said liberalism is "obsolete" in an interview before he left for the G20 summit.
The Russian president said the ideology that has underpinned Western democracies for decades had "outlived its purpose".
The Russian premier also praised the rise of populism in Europe and America, saying ideas like multiculturalism were "no longer tenable".
His comments came in a wide-ranging interview with the Financial Times.
The piece was published as world leaders began talks on trade and security in Japan.
"[Liberals] cannot simply dictate anything to anyone," said Mr Putin, who has served as president for nearly two decades.

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He added that liberalism conflicted with "the interests of the overwhelming majority of the population," and took aim at German Chancellor Angela Merkel for allowing large numbers of refugees to settle in Germany.
"This liberal idea presupposes that nothing needs to be done. That migrants can kill, plunder and rape with impunity because their rights as migrants have to be protected."
Mr Putin, 66, also said Russia had "no problems with LGBT persons… but some things do appear excessive to us".
"They claim now that children can play five or six gender roles," he continued.
"Let everyone be happy, we have no problem with that. But this must not be allowed to overshadow the culture, traditions and traditional family values of millions of people making up the core population."
Aside from remarks on liberalism, Mr Putin also praised US President Donald Trump as a "talented person" who knew how to relate to voters.

Image copyrightAFPImage captionWorld leaders from 19 countries - and the European Union - are meeting in Japan from Friday to discuss economic policy and co-operation
But the Russian leader also said American unilateralism was partly to blame for the ongoing trade war between China and the US, and for tensions with Iran in the Strait of Hormuz.
But EU President Donald Tusk lashed out at Mr Putin on Friday, telling reporters he "strongly [disagreed]" with his sentiments on liberalism.
"Whoever claims that liberal democracy is obsolete also claims that freedoms are obsolete, that the rule of law is obsolete and that human rights are obsolete," said Mr Tusk.
"What I find really obsolete are authoritarianism, personality cults, the rule of oligarchs, even if sometimes they may seem effective," he added.

I love that Donald Tusk of all people equates freedom, human rights and the rule of law with liberal ideas.

Sorry lesser Donald, but Putin's on to something....

 

[Sped Xing]

To be truthful, I do not really like any form of liberalism at this point.

Feel free to disagree as I know my view here is controversial, but when I hear my Professor gloat how Liberalism took care of the ancien regime which allowed Communism to develop, it just makes me sympathize with the ancien regime

Napoleon capitalized on this emotion to turn the bloody republic into a tawdry dictatorship.

Poor French Nobles. When they started this whole thing they thought they were going to get English-style constitutional monarchy

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

run threadsim.exe

Jesus I know right?

Liberalism, out of putin's mouth, obvoiusly means democracy. Yes, our liberal societies have major problems. But so do his, plus they have fucking Putin, as fucking corrupt as can be, basically the dictator. Are you fucking stupid? You're going to take his side? There's owning the libs, and there's cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Billy Mays Here! With a well timed NPC meme. I missed it.

 

[Sīn the Moon Daddy]

Jesus I know right?

Liberalism, out of putin's mouth, obvoiusly means democracy. Yes, our liberal societies have major problems. But so do his, plus they have fucking Putin, as fucking corrupt as can be, basically the dictator. Are you fucking stupid? You're going to take his side? There's owning the libs, and there's cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Billy Mays Here! With a well timed NPC meme. I missed it.

Based Vlad Putin is s committed Stalinist and plans to resurrect the red pilled Soviet Union.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

Based Vlad Putin is s committed Stalinist and plans to resurrect the red pilled Soviet Union.

Did kiwifarms horseshoe around into a bunch of communists? Quick, someone check if something awful is suddenly full of wildly racist memes and pol talking points.

 

[V0dka]

I mean he isn't wrong.

What definition are we talking? Classical Liberal? Progressive Liberal? I'm pretty sure Classical Liberalism is considered part of the alt-right these days because they are too moderate.

 

[Sped Xing]

Member when Something Awful was just internet degeneracy and it was just the writing forum who were huge faggots

What definition are we talking? Classical Liberal? Progressive Liberal? I'm pretty sure Classical Liberalism is considered part of the alt-right these days because they are too moderate.

Self-determination requires self-discipline and that is a SLUR

 

[BR55]

I must admit Putin is quite the accomplished shit stirrer.
It will almost be a shame when he dies and Russia descends into a Second Civil War as the oligarchs fight over the scraps.
As for "Liberalism is obsolete" Liberal Democracy, the genuine kind not the Soft Totalitarian Oligarchy the DNC/EU are pushing, is still as essential as ever.
"Liberalism"/Progressivism on the other hand belongs on the ash heap of history along with the Marxism that spawned it.

 

[Rand /pol/]

What definition are we talking? Classical Liberal? Progressive Liberal? I'm pretty sure Classical Liberalism is considered part of the alt-right these days because they are too moderate.

Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power.

Are you trying to say that modern progressivism isn't really liberalism? Because I'd argue modern liberalism/progressivism is still better than whatever Putin wants.

 

[V0dka]

Are you trying to say that modern progressivism isn't really liberalism? Because I'd argue modern liberalism/progressivism is still better than whatever Putin wants.

Putin has been President of Russia for how long? However Russia is right now, is probably close to how he wants things. And if you wanted me to compare Russia to someone from the Democrats debate being President of a country after what they've said? I'd probably go with Russia honestly.

 

[Ягода]

Putin has never been an intellectual, don't take my word for it, he said it himself in an interview, and throughout his life he fucked up plenty. Son of a night guard and a street sweeper, he was bullied at school, went to university on "sports" quota and recommendation from his Judo club instructor. During university time he worked with "subversion within ranks of students", i.e. reporting on his fellow mates, something that was the lowest within hierarchy of KGB informers. In Germany he royally fucked up when one of his agents defected, spilling way to many beans that he should never learned from Putin, who was recalled back.

One thing that Putin did well, surround himself with people whom he could trust and splurged assload of money to buy their loyalty. St' Peterburg Judo club produced more billionaires than Harvard business school ever. Think about that.

Whatever speech Putin read aloud, it's a fucking theater and whatever he said it's a ploy for something. I don't know what, but let's not forget Russia's record on human rights, dead journos, political prisoners, dead opposition. The "church" is stacked with former KGB agents and rocked by more homo scandals than Rome. Moscow has one of the largest muslim populations and the biggest mosque in Europe ... so Putin is no holy crusader, anti-immigrant.

Russia has piped shitload of money to buy influence outside its borders and secure places for its elites. There are plenty of money to go around to buy access. Putin is working for himself and his buddies, not some philosophical concepts. Be very weary of the shit that he is sturring.

 

[V0dka]

One thing that Putin did well, surround himself with people whom he could trust and splurged assload of money to buy their loyalty. St' Peterburg Judo club produced more billionaires than Harvard business school ever. Think about that.

Whatever speech Putin read aloud, it's a fucking theater and whatever he said it's a ploy for something. I don't know what, but let's not forget Russia's record on human rights, dead journos, political prisoners, dead opposition. The "church" is stacked with former KGB agents and rocked by more homo scandals than Rome. Moscow has one of the largest muslim populations and the biggest mosque in Europe ... so Putin is no holy crusader, anti-immigrant.

Couldn't I just say this about almost any politician in Washington? Like American politicians don't play theatre, they always tell the truth, they don't use trust funds and charity organizations to funnel money to their interests. Am I in a different universe or did Iraq not get invaded, did Aru Gharib never exist, and "rebels" weren't funded to kill Gaddafi?

At least what Putin says makes sense. What the fuck is this "terrorism is just part of living in a big city", trans abortions, and healthcare for illegals? In what universe does this shit make sense?

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

Putin has never been an intellectual, don't take my word for it, he said it himself in an interview, and throughout his life he fucked up plenty. Son of a night guard and a street sweeper, he was bullied at school, went to university on "sports" quota and recommendation from his Judo club instructor. During university time he worked with "subversion within ranks of students", i.e. reporting on his fellow mates, something that was the lowest within hierarchy of KGB informers. In Germany he royally fucked up when one of his agents defected, spilling way to many beans that he should never learned from Putin, who was recalled back.

One thing that Putin did well, surround himself with people whom he could trust and splurged assload of money to buy their loyalty. St' Peterburg Judo club produced more billionaires than Harvard business school ever. Think about that.

Whatever speech Putin read aloud, it's a fucking theater and whatever he said it's a ploy for something. I don't know what, but let's not forget Russia's record on human rights, dead journos, political prisoners, dead opposition. The "church" is stacked with former KGB agents and rocked by more homo scandals than Rome. Moscow has one of the largest muslim populations and the biggest mosque in Europe ... so Putin is no holy crusader, anti-immigrant.

Russia has piped shitload of money to buy influence outside its borders and secure places for its elites. There are plenty of money to go around to buy access. Putin is working for himself and his buddies, not some philosophical concepts. Be very weary of the shit that he is sturring.

Thank you for the sane take. Good username to go with it too.

What next? Kim Jong Un says "Democrats are stupid" and kiwi farms wants him elected president of the US? That was not as sick a burn as I thought it would be...

Couldn't I just say this about almost any politician in Washington? Like American politicians don't play theatre, they always tell the truth, they don't use trust funds and charity organizations to funnel money to their interests. Am I in a different universe or did Iraq not get invaded, did Aru Gharib never exist, and "rebels" weren't funded to kill Gaddafi?

At least what Putin says makes sense. What the fuck is this "terrorism is just part of living in a big city", trans abortions, and healthcare for illegals? In what universe does this shit make sense?

Russian Bot spotted

But seriously, that's like some perfect soviet style whataboutism. Oh sure, I'm a despotic tyrant who murders his enemies, but have you seen how US politicians aren't completely honest?

 

[Equivocal_Iki]

Seems like his only complaint is open borders. Going down the path of anti-discrimination, unchecked immigration, and free stuff for everyone especially the new immigrants isn't obsolete it's suicidal.

 

[V0dka]

Russian Bot spotted

But seriously, that's like some perfect soviet style whataboutism. Oh sure, I'm a despotic tyrant who murders his enemies, but have you seen how US politicians aren't completely honest?

Yes Russia is shit, but so are most governments, otherwise they'd be fucked in the ass by the nearest government that "didn't play by the rules". You think most people get to the top by being kind and caring and loving their fellow man? No, they'd be stabbed in the back the minute they went in for a hug. How optimistic and naive are you?

 

[Ягода]

Couldn't I just say this about almost any politician in Washington? Like American politicians don't play theatre, they always tell the truth, they don't use trust funds and charity organizations to funnel money to their interests. Am I in a different universe or did Iraq not get invaded, did Aru Gharib never exist, and "rebels" weren't funded to kill Gaddafi?

DC politicians are small time thieves and cheap whores compared to Putin's men. Let me put this into perspective, Bill Clinton (post his presidency) used to play sax at birthday parties of Russian oligarch kids. One of Putin's childhood friends (Rodugin?) plays chello, he just likes being a musician, no more, and he is also a multibillionaire just because he knows Vlad and he never wanted to be in business. Try to fathom how much money Putin's friends make when they actually want to make money.

 

[V0dka]

DC politicians are small time thieves and cheap whores compared to Putin's men. Let me put this into perspective, Bill Clinton (post his presidency) used to play sax at birthday parties of Russian oligarch kids. One of Putin's childhood friends (Rodugin?) plays chello, he just likes being a musician, no more, and he is also a multibillionaire just because he knows Vlad and he never wanted to be in business. Try to fathom how much money Putin's friends make when they actually want to make money.

Yes and what happened the last time the world wanted to take down a bad man? Oh yeah Saddam, he was a bad person. but he kept even worse people in check, and now you have ISIS uploading foreign journalist beheadings to facebook and youtube, and British girls running off to get raped in Syria. Gaddafi gets killed and the border protections between europe and africa crumble, and you have gang rapes of kids and women.

But I'm sure it was all worth it right? Defeating the big baddie?

 

[Guardian G.I.]

Friendly reminder that the righteous illiberal rule that you think is superior to the liberal Western rule led Russia to not just one, but TWO catastrophic collapses that killed tens of millions and nearly destroyed Russian statehood itself. All in the past 100 years.

Every single time someone in Russia starts up the tune about the immoral, decaying West that is about to collapse, it is to cover their own decay. The Tsarist ideologues in the late 19th century did that, and the Soviet ideologues in the 70s did that. When you're facing institutional rot and systemic corruption that you can't solve, when your political stability is becoming shakier with each passing year, when your long term prospects are dire, facing these problems is incredibly stressful. It's just easier to get drunk on national pride, bury your head in the sand and pretend you're the salvation of all mankind, while the evil Pindos scum and the Gayropeans are on their death kneel.

Said decaying West never had catastrophic state collapses of the magnitude that destroyed Russia in 1917 and 1991 since the Black Death was a thing.

 

[Rand /pol/]

Putin has been President of Russia for how long? However Russia is right now, is probably close to how he wants things. And if you wanted me to compare Russia to someone from the Democrats debate being President of a country after what they've said? I'd probably go with Russia honestly.

That's pretty stupid.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

Regardless of our personal opinions on liberalism, I think pretty much all of us would gladly take another decade of abject SJW fuckery over the nation wide detroit-but-with-more-krokadil-and-shitter-internet schtick the glorious tradcon russian imperium has going.

How about the Visegrad countries, Ukraine or the Baltic States? Hot women, trad values and they fucking hate Putin too. The Baltic States are basically Scandinavia without all the poz.

Or Dear Feeder and Glorious Erverlord lives in Ukraine because when trannies set foot in Ukraine the country is so based their gender dysphoria goes away. Either that or Azov battalion Einsatzgruppen just fucking off them.

 

[PN 801]

Putin is a master politician and an extremely smart guy. Listen to him speak and compare him with politicians in the US and you will despair, regardless of your own political views - he comes across as borderline philosophical in his addresses to the nation. It's funny that everyone freaked out about the Russian interference in the election because for the most part, Russia was just dropping truth bombs on the American people, and the contrast with what the Democrats were telling the American people was frightening - I would prefer for our own leaders to tell us the truth, not motherfucking Russia.

Lmao I actually read this funny text between two brothers. One brother was pro Trump and another was anti Trump. Anti Trump bro sends his pro Trump bro text boasting that Russian interference did happen. Then pro Trump bro responded in kind: " I guess that just means Russia is representing me better than democrats".