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Liberalism has 'become obsolete' - Putin

Speaking before the G20 summit, the Russian leader says the political ideology has "outlived its purpose".

www.bbc.co.uk

Vladimir Putin has said liberalism is "obsolete" in an interview before he left for the G20 summit.
The Russian president said the ideology that has underpinned Western democracies for decades had "outlived its purpose".
The Russian premier also praised the rise of populism in Europe and America, saying ideas like multiculturalism were "no longer tenable".
His comments came in a wide-ranging interview with the Financial Times.
The piece was published as world leaders began talks on trade and security in Japan.
"[Liberals] cannot simply dictate anything to anyone," said Mr Putin, who has served as president for nearly two decades.

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He added that liberalism conflicted with "the interests of the overwhelming majority of the population," and took aim at German Chancellor Angela Merkel for allowing large numbers of refugees to settle in Germany.
"This liberal idea presupposes that nothing needs to be done. That migrants can kill, plunder and rape with impunity because their rights as migrants have to be protected."
Mr Putin, 66, also said Russia had "no problems with LGBT persons… but some things do appear excessive to us".
"They claim now that children can play five or six gender roles," he continued.
"Let everyone be happy, we have no problem with that. But this must not be allowed to overshadow the culture, traditions and traditional family values of millions of people making up the core population."
Aside from remarks on liberalism, Mr Putin also praised US President Donald Trump as a "talented person" who knew how to relate to voters.

Image copyrightAFPImage captionWorld leaders from 19 countries - and the European Union - are meeting in Japan from Friday to discuss economic policy and co-operation
But the Russian leader also said American unilateralism was partly to blame for the ongoing trade war between China and the US, and for tensions with Iran in the Strait of Hormuz.
But EU President Donald Tusk lashed out at Mr Putin on Friday, telling reporters he "strongly [disagreed]" with his sentiments on liberalism.
"Whoever claims that liberal democracy is obsolete also claims that freedoms are obsolete, that the rule of law is obsolete and that human rights are obsolete," said Mr Tusk.
"What I find really obsolete are authoritarianism, personality cults, the rule of oligarchs, even if sometimes they may seem effective," he added.

I love that Donald Tusk of all people equates freedom, human rights and the rule of law with liberal ideas.

Sorry lesser Donald, but Putin's on to something....

 

[Sped Xing]

Socialist

Farmer

Choose one.

 

[pwnest injun]

Seems like he's just pointing out the authoritarian trend that's been happening for quite some time. Europe is abandoning liberal values.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

It's not so much that liberalism is obsolete, more that leftism was never really liberalism.

Freedoms might work if they applied to everyone, but the EU most definitely likes the last three way better. What part of the world voted pro-censorship again?

Yeah, this is the root of it. Supranational organisations like the EU go on an on about liberal values when everyone can see they don't really believe in them and every time people get a chance they vote for those dirty populists. Meanwhile Putin and Orban are clearly authoritarian leaders but people vote for them because they hate those supranational organisations trying to replace states.

 

[BILLY MAYS]

run threadsim.exe

 

[FemalePresident]

Once again, Vladimir Putin is right.

 

[X Prime]

run threadsim.exe

You misclicked and ran personaldelusions.exe.

 

[Stoneheart]

Yeah you right mr Putin, but stop invanding our Lebensraum, PLS!

 

[Duncan Hills Coffee]

"Whoever claims that liberal democracy is obsolete also claims that freedoms are obsolete, that the rule of law is obsolete and that human rights are obsolete," said Mr Tusk.
"What I find really obsolete are authoritarianism, personality cults, the rule of oligarchs, even if sometimes they may seem effective," he added.

This is the most "no u" comeback I've ever heard from a politician.

 

[whatever I feel like]

Without liberalism there would be no Kiwifarms. You people are turkeys voting for Christmas.

Or maybe you're just thinking he means liberalism in the American sense, as leftism? Because thats not what he is talking about.

 

[X Prime]

Without liberalism there would be no Kiwifarms. You people are turkeys voting for Christmas.

Or maybe you're just thinking he means liberalism in the American sense, as leftism? Because thats not what he is talking about.

According to the transcript, Putin directly connects liberalism with multiculturalism, the migration program, LGBT, etc. For example:

So, the liberal idea has become obsolete. It has come into conflict with the interests of the overwhelming majority of the population. Or take the traditional values. I am not trying to insult anyone, because we have been condemned for our alleged homophobia as it is. But we have no problems with LGBT persons. God forbid, let them live as they wish. But some things do appear excessive to us.

I think some of you saying that Putin does not at least partially mean leftism are talking out your asses and have not read the transcript.

Hell, here it is:

Interview with The Financial Times

On the eve of the G20 summit, Vladimir Putin spoke with The Financial Times Editor Lionel Barber and Moscow Bureau Chief Henry Foy.

en.kremlin.ru

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

run threadsim.exe

More like if you have to choose between two illiberal regimes better to pick one based on national sovereignty led by someone from your country who seems to like it (Trump or Farage or maybe even Boris) than one led a by a bunch of foreigners who hate you, your politics and your country. And who not only disagree with you, they want to stop you speaking (the EU with its hate speech laws and war on 'populism'). And who want to see your country change irreversibly.

Now as you move from Farage/Boris/Trump to Orban to Putin this sort of argument does admittedly break down. The first few are very likely to leave office once they lose an election. Putin won't - at best he'll get a puppet in for one term and then come back into office with longer term limits. With Orban I'm not sure if he'll follow the Putin route or allow himself to leave office.

It's harder to make the case for Putin in his fight for the EU than it is with Orban. And it's harder to make the case for Orban than Farage/Boris/Trump.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Without liberalism there would be no Kiwifarms. You people are turkeys voting for Christmas.

Or maybe you're just thinking he means liberalism in the American sense, as leftism? Because thats not what he is talking about.

Putin is referring to to "woke" SJW liberals and not classical liberalism, which is more libertarian in nature. It is unimaginable, for instance, that the "liberals" trafficking Africans to Italy would are attempt the same in Russia's Black Sea port in Sevastopol. The Russians would blow them the fuck out of the water with no fucks given whereas Europe is hand wringing all the way to its destruction since that's what classical liberal evolved into-a bunch of woke trannies flying the pride flag of their cannibal African cruise line into Europe. Our Founding Fathers were classical liberals for chrissakes

Putin's an intelligent seasoned Russian politician who speaks several languages. He runs circles around the likes of Hillary and Obama. He seems to, at the very least, have some respect for Trump (which I believe is mutual) . As for "Russian interference in our elections ZOMG !!!" it's not only hilarious (since it is basically stating the obvious) but hypocritical (as if we don't fuck around in Russia lol). I prefer have cordial relations with the Russian Federation as opposed to hostility. Fuck the Democrats/RINOS trying to start Cold War 2.0

 

[whatever I feel like]

According to the transcript, Putin directly connects liberalism with multiculturalism, the migration program, LGBT, etc. For example:

And those are associated both with American leftism AND European style non-interference liberalism. He says nothing about, for instance, safety net programs- which he himself has re-implemented in Russia after they fell apart in the 90s its all social policy stuff associated with the European use of the term. We might not like trannies, fence jumpers and other assorted pieces of societal detritus but most people view us in the same way and it is small L liberal values which protect this site.

 

[X Prime]

American leftism as it is commonly understood has nothing to do with broad safety net programs either, just lip service to them as a means of societal control.

There's a reason that Bernie Sanders' star has fallen: he went from embracing true leftism (read: economic leftism) to woke social issue leftism, the fake kind.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

Reminder that Democratic progressive and socialists stole the word liberal in the early 20th century to hide the evils of their true agenda and that by voting in this poll to "own the libs" you're part of a century old conspiracy to let them get away with it.

 

[X Prime]

Reminder that Democratic progressive and socialists stole the word liberal in the early 20th century to hide the evils of their true agenda and that by voting in this poll to "own the libs" you're part of a century old conspiracy to let them get away with it.

The best way to conceptualize this is to acknowledge the split between economic and social axes.

What the progressives have done (successfully, I might add), is make people associate the word "liberal" with someone who falls to the left on the social axis, and their economic views are generally ignored. This allows woke corporatists to assume the 'liberal" label, which is ludicrous.

 

[Affluent Reptilian]

Speaking of liberalism in its classical sense (fuck progressivism - I think the only thing I'll grant the movement is that it did some good things with the professionalisation of the civil service), I have some misgivings on how it works with the need of humans to be part of a tribe. Even though it has a great deal of rational appeal, it is corrosive on the kinds of ties we tend to form. Patrick Daneen's Why Liberalism Failed makes this argument in a very detailed and nuanced fashion. As stated, I like a lot of classical liberal aspects, so I'm not saying I reject it wholesale.

Oddly, classical liberalism has a lot of overlap with traditional Anglo culture, which tended to view heavy-handed government interference with suspicion and had strong notions of the rule of law and freedom of speech from very early on -this was reflected historically in various ways but can be seen directly in the writings of scholars and lawyers like John Fortescue (15th century), John Selden (16th century) and Henry de Bracton (13th century). I mention it because it's a rare case of conservatism and liberalism overlapping (you get this in the US to a degree, too, which is why conservatives and libertarians make common cause). In most countries, you wouldn't get that agreement.

 

[ConfederateIrishman]

Reminder that Democratic progressive and socialists stole the word liberal in the early 20th century to hide the evils of their true agenda and that by voting in this poll to "own the libs" you're part of a century old conspiracy to let them get away with it.

To be truthful, I do not really like any form of liberalism at this point.

Feel free to disagree as I know my view here is controversial, but when I hear my Professor gloat how Liberalism took care of the ancien regime which allowed Communism to develop, it just makes me sympathize with the ancien regime

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

Classical liberalism works with tribalism by letting anybody be free in associating with whatever tribe they want and pursuing whats best for said tribe.

If anyone in this thread is a German, can you explain what exactly the FDP does and believes? From what I've read about them, they seem to embody a lot of the classical liberal ideals, but I suspect it's not true in practice.

I'm not German but I'm told they basically act like political lube for the real parties. Like Gary Johnson was supposed to in 2016.

The best way to conceptualize this is to acknowledge the split between economic and social axes.

What the progressives have done (successfully, I might add), is make people associate the word "liberal" with someone who falls to the left on the social axis, and their economic views are generally ignored. This allows woke corporatists to assume the 'liberal" label, which is ludicrous.

Those axes should never have been split. It's a trick to get people to voluntarily give up their freedoms. You're not free unless you're free in every regard.

To be truthful, I do not really like any form of liberalism at this point.

Feel free to disagree as I know my view here is controversial, but when I hear my Professor gloat how Liberalism took care of the ancien regime which allowed Communism to develop, it just makes me sympathize with the ancien regime

And then the Frei Korps stopped the commies from toppling Germany. Enemy of my enemy is not my friend. They're just my enemy's enemy.

 

[Judge Holden]

Regardless of our personal opinions on liberalism, I think pretty much all of us would gladly take another decade of abject SJW fuckery over the nation wide detroit-but-with-more-krokadil-and-shitter-internet schtick the glorious tradcon russian imperium has going.