Captain Marvel - Literally, from "her" to "hero"

[XYZpdq]

Slapstick.

Neutron Bum would be cinematic gold.

 

[BrunoMattei]

As if Disney/ Feige will bring them over. The way they act, they'll probably prefer making a movie about Squirrel Girl than making a character "that's been done before!", like they did with so many Spiderman characters. Goodbye MCU Green Goblin, MCU Doctor Doom, MCU Magneto...

A Squirrel Girl movie. Sure. It'd be like a PG version of Deadpool without murder.

As someone who had to endure 7 years of the comics pushing her as “the most popular/strongest/mightiest”, I can’t say the movie bombing so hard (especially to the audience it was pandering to) doesn't give me warm feelings. It feels very nice, though I doubt Marvel Comics will learn from this and stop mindlessly pushing her.

I can see that. It's just like Warner Bros/DC pushing Cyborg so hard in all of their media. And now Cyborg is a part of season 3 of Young Justice. He's a good character but he's not Justice League-tier. It's weird how they ignore the John Stewart Green Lantern that everyone liked.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

So it seems that Marvel Studios and Disney are doing to the Russo Brothers for Endgame what Sony did to Sam Raimi for Spider-Man 3.

God damn it!

After the first Avengers movie, people were starting to see a few cracks here and there with the MCU. The Russos completely breathed new life into the MCU, starting with The Winter Soldier (which MADE Captain America popular). Then, after the disappointing Age of Ultron, the Russos gave us Civil War (which is the unofficial Avengers 3, basically). Then, the Russos gave us undoubtedly the BEST comic book movie villain since Heath Ledger's Joker with Thanos. Infinity War and Thanos had so much hype surrounding them that they were almost sure to fail and disappoint on some level. NOPE, the Russos did it; they made a great movie-- one of my favorite comic book movies ever, to be honest.

If Marvel Studios thinks that they would have had the same successful results had they kept someone like Joss Whedon to make Infinity War, then they are sorely fucking mistaken. The Russos have essentially MADE the MCU what it is today, and this is the thanks they get?!

I'm so disappointed in Kevin Feige right now. I guess you either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.

EDIT: I am also going to say that it sucks what Marvel Studios is doing to their own actors. From what I read in the Captain Marvel spoilers, it seems that the MCU is trying to retcon the things that the original Avengers team did over the past decade and pretend that "it all started with Carol Danvers." Jesus. So RDJ, Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, Scarlett Johansson, Chris Pratt, etc ... None of their contributions matter now? What the fuck? If I were any of these actors, I would 100% resent Brie Larson right now.

 

[Judge Holden]

As someone who had to endure 7 years of the comics pushing her as “the most popular/strongest/mightiest”, I can’t say the movie bombing so hard (especially to the audience it was pandering to) doesn't give me warm feelings. It feels very nice, though I doubt Marvel Comics will learn from this and stop mindlessly pushing her.

Problem is with Captain Marvel as she is in the comics is that she is the absolute most generic fucking superhero imaginable.

She has the cliche combo of flight/strength/speed/energy beam/whatever, she is a generic "attractive american everyman/wammen" template, and she is even colour coded with the fucking Superman colours. She is basically the template superhero you would get as an in-universe work of fiction inside another fucking work of fiction which is just innately fucking boring.

Combine this with the fact she has zero outside fame or longlasting large fanbase and there is absolutely nothing that stands out about her enough to interest or intrigue the general public, which is why I suspect the "HEY GUIZ MEMBA THE 90s?!" angle was pushed so hard and why so many professional shills resorted to "THE FIRST WAMMEN IN MOVIES GUIZ!" tactic and accompanying screeching about evil troll conspiracies against it.

Say what you like about the cesspool of autism and mediocrity that is the current Miss Marvel but at least she has a fucking schtick of her own that makes her very vaguely stand out from the generic superhero template. I would warrant that had she come out first and been sufficiently advertised that there would be enough "hey a teenage kebabette with stretchy powers sounds like it could be mildly interesting/amusing" buzz to make the movie atleast mildly successful so long as the writing was good.

Hell lets contrast this with Shazam. Like Captain Marvel he is on paper a pretty generic superhero with a power set that lines up almost perfectly to Superman's with a few minor differences, but the central schtick of "oh but he is actually a young boy who turns into a superman ripoff when he says a certain word" is enough of a hook to get people's attention, and the advertisement so far of having a costumed superman expy act like a tweenage boy is already getting hype up based solely on this fairly simple twist.

If captain marvel as a character was ever going to work, she had to be given her own unique schtick beyond "generic superhero/superman ripoff". I dunno maybe have her central quirk be some kind of transmutation/matter reconfiguration thing that would give her unique and recognisable abilities and visuals*, and would tie in to the whole "undo the infinity gauntlet" thing since these powers could be useful to the plot in that movie. Just something that makes her more than generic.

* like her picking up a car and using her power to instantly warp/crush it into a hammer she then uses to beat some skrulls up or her warping bullets being fired at her into an ever growing shield that she then shatters and fires back at her attackers...I dunno im just spitballing here

 

[StarkRavingMad]

The critics are the first people to trash a Superman movie and call him boring because "He's too powerful, which creates zero conflict!" Granted, the Superman movies have been dumpster fires since 1980's Superman II, but that's not because Superman is lame. It's because movie studios don't know how to handle his character.

Then, you get Captain Marvel, who is clearly overpowered, and devoid of any personality (and she lacks Superman's humanity and charm) ... And then you have people telling everyone that she's "inspiring" and "awesome."

I can't believe that I'm at a point where I'm worried about an Avengers movie becoming the next Last Jedi ...

 

[Godzilla@1989]

So it seems that Marvel Studios and Disney are doing to the Russo Brothers for Endgame what Sony did to Sam Raimi for Spider-Man 3.

God damn it!

After the first Avengers movie, people were starting to see a few cracks here and there with the MCU. The Russos completely breathed new life into the MCU, starting with The Winter Soldier (which MADE Captain America popular). Then, after the disappointing Age of Ultron, the Russos gave us Civil War (which is the unofficial Avengers 3, basically). Then, the Russos gave us undoubtedly the BEST comic book movie villain since Heath Ledger's Joker with Thanos. Infinity War and Thanos had so much hype surrounding them that they were almost sure to fail and disappoint on some level. NOPE, the Russos did it; they made a great movie-- one of my favorite comic book movies ever, to be honest.

If Marvel Studios thinks that they would have had the same successful results had they kept someone like Joss Whedon to make Infinity War, then they are sorely fucking mistaken. The Russos have essentially MADE the MCU what it is today, and this is the thanks they get?!

I'm so disappointed in Kevin Feige right now. I guess you either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.

EDIT: I am also going to say that it sucks what Marvel Studios is doing to their own actors. From what I read in the Captain Marvel spoilers, it seems that the MCU is trying to retcon the things that the original Avengers team did over the past decade and pretend that "it all started with Carol Danvers." Jesus. So RDJ, Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, Scarlett Johansson, Chris Pratt, etc ... None of their contributions matter now? What the fuck? If I were any of these actors, I would 100% resent Brie Larson right now.

The Russos have made in my opinion the three best MCU movies ever. I would hate to see them get cucked out in the same manner Lord and Miller got for Solo.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

The Russos have made in my opinion the three best MCU movies ever. I would hate to see them get cucked out in the same manner Lord and Miller got for Solo.

When people ask me what my "Top 5 MCU Movies" are, I say without any hesitation:

1. Avengers: Infinity War
2. Iron Man
3. Captain America: The Winter Soldier
4. Captain America: Civil War
5. Guardians of the Galaxy

The Russos have flat-out dominated my list. I'll never forget my reaction to when I saw The Winter Soldier in theaters: I was SO into the movie, that I was just silent the entire time. And when the credits started rolling, I was still silent, needing to take a few minutes to let the awesomeness of that movie sink in. It's the most badass superhero movie ever made, IMO. The Russos deserve so much better than this.

Also, Lord and Miller now have an Oscar, and dominated awards season with their masterpiece, Into the Spider-Verse. They mopped the floor over Disney's lame efforts of 2018 (Incredibles 2 and Wreck-It-Ralph 2 were garbage movies). Not only that, but they made a better Spider-Man movie than Marvel Studios did. I liked Spider-Man: Homecoming and all, but Spider-Verse kicks its ass. Lord and Miller are doing pretty great right now, I'd say (even if I hated the Lego Movie 2).

 

[robobobo]

The thing is, Ms. Marvel was a great character just a couple years ago before the Captain Marvel switch. She was a mess of a person and a recovering alcoholic and was more than a little irked at having to interrupt her day to go punch things. But those things were interesting. She was just as powerful as the new version of her, but she had an actual personality to go with it, so it wasn't a problem. Her new personality seems to be 'pushy bitch who gets tons of people killed with her terrible ideas' ala Tony Stark from the first Civil War. That's not fun, no wonder the comic sales for her are shit now.

 

[BrunoMattei]

When people ask me what my "Top 5 MCU Movies" are, I say without any hesitation:

1. Avengers: Infinity War
2. Iron Man
3. Captain America: The Winter Soldier
4. Captain America: Civil War
5. Guardians of the Galaxy

The Russos have flat-out dominated my list. I'll never forget my reaction to when I saw The Winter Soldier in theaters: I was SO into the movie, that I was just silent the entire time. And when the credits started rolling, I was still silent, needing to take a few minutes to let the awesomeness of that movie sink in. It's the most badass superhero movie ever made, IMO. The Russos deserve so much better than this.

My reaction to the Russo Captain America movies has been pretty "meh." I grew up on Schwarzenegger and Stallone. Diehard and Robocop. Bronson and Van Damme (Sudden Death was good dammit!). PG-13 action films are just too weak in comparison. I'm more ambivalent about the MCU so I only have a top 4:

1: Guardians
2: Guardians 2
3: Iron Man
4: Infinity War part 1

 

[Oh Shit I'm Sorry]

I just love that they've had what, 11 years of careful planning and a very clear roadmap planned for the whole arc they've been building towards since Iron Man 1 and for some reason a character that's supposedly going to be one of (if not the most) important in the massive fucking conclusion isn't introduced until the very last minute. This is something I'd expect from DC because their CU has been an endless string of fuck-ups not from a company that's been carefully building towards this shit for over a decade.

I get that behind-the-scenes politics may have dictated Carol's inclusion in the finale but you can't expect the general public to know or care about that. Magic McGuffins introduced seconds before the final conclusion are never a good look.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

I just love that they've had what, 11 years of careful planning and a very clear roadmap planned for the whole arc they've been building towards since Iron Man 1 and for some reason a character that's supposedly going to be one of (if not the most) important in the massive fucking conclusion isn't introduced until the very last minute. This is something I'd expect from DC because their CU has been an endless string of fuck-ups not from a company that's been carefully building towards this shit for over a decade.

I get that behind-the-scenes politics may have dictated Carol's inclusion in the finale but you can't expect the general public to know or care about that. Magic McGuffins introduced seconds before the final conclusion are never a good look.

While Feige is to blame for this fuck up, I think Larson should own up to this because seeing these behind the scenes leak makes her come off as a egotistic asshole like Katherine Heigi and Marlon Brando.

 

[BrunoMattei]

I just love that they've had what, 11 years of careful planning and a very clear roadmap planned for the whole arc they've been building towards since Iron Man 1 and for some reason a character that's supposedly going to be one of (if not the most) important in the massive fucking conclusion isn't introduced until the very last minute. This is something I'd expect from DC because their CU has been an endless string of fuck-ups not from a company that's been carefully building towards this shit for over a decade.

I get that behind-the-scenes politics may have dictated Carol's inclusion in the finale but you can't expect the general public to know or care about that. Magic McGuffins introduced seconds before the final conclusion are never a good look.

I think they're going to scale back her appearance because this movie will most likely flop.

 

[Megaroad]

The Ghostbusters reboot also was a critical failure, but we're stilling getting beat over the head with how terrible people are for disliking it. The generally negative fan reaction to it is still being brought up as an example of an egregious wrong perpetrated against the righteous woke.


source: USA Today

That article will not be a lone voice, all the usual outlets will inevitably pile on. Already detractors are labeled as creepy racist sexists. That tone might well dominate once the movie flops proper.

The fucking Alien movies, Mad Max films (especially 4), og Star Wars, the RE movies (they're good fun on drugs) and a host of other movies have beloved, badass heroines and are enjoyed by many yet these retards seem to be in a vacuum where there was nothing before whatever pig slop Disney puts put.

 

[TVB]

When people ask me what my "Top 5 MCU Movies" are, I say without any hesitation:

1. Avengers: Infinity War
2. Iron Man
3. Captain America: The Winter Soldier
4. Captain America: Civil War
5. Guardians of the Galaxy

The Russos have flat-out dominated my list. I'll never forget my reaction to when I saw The Winter Soldier in theaters: I was SO into the movie, that I was just silent the entire time. And when the credits started rolling, I was still silent, needing to take a few minutes to let the awesomeness of that movie sink in. It's the most badass superhero movie ever made, IMO. The Russos deserve so much better than this.

Also, Lord and Miller now have an Oscar, and dominated awards season with their masterpiece, Into the Spider-Verse. They mopped the floor over Disney's lame efforts of 2018 (Incredibles 2 and Wreck-It-Ralph 2 were garbage movies). Not only that, but they made a better Spider-Man movie than Marvel Studios did. I liked Spider-Man: Homecoming and all, but Spider-Verse kicks its ass. Lord and Miller are doing pretty great right now, I'd say (even if I hated the Lego Movie 2).

I'll just give away my top 10 list here:

1. Avengers: Infinity War
2. Captain America: Winter's Soldier
3. Iron Man 3
4. Guardians 2
5. Captain American: Civil War
6. Guardians
7. Iron Man
8. Doctor Strange
9. Spiderman: Homecoming (As a Spiderman film, I honestly preferred both Sam Raimi's second Spiderman film and Into the Spiderverse over Homecoming; but regardless, it was still fun to watch)
10. Captain America: The First Avenger

Edit just for more information (and it may come across as off-topic but has to do with how I feel about Disney both as a company and quality wise thus far): I really gave up my interest with Disney by 2018. I haven't seen the Last Jedi until I torrented it earlier that year and I flat out hated it, and the same with Solo. I did not see Wreck-it Ralph 2 nor do I even care to because, if I'm honest, it looked like a dumb, generic, manipulative sequel without any fun. I did not care about Incredibles 2; it may had some decent ideas, but in comparison to the first movie, it was wasted potential, and the more I watch Incredibles 2, the less I could enjoy the movie.

Even their television animation outlet hasn't given me anything to like (except for the DuckTales reboot, it's really good actually). Big City Greens is okay, I guess, but then we have the season 3 of Star vs. where it's boring and that we have to follow the characters that are just a bunch of annoying little cunts (including the main character). This explains why I haven't watched that show in a long time, go figure. At least other animation studios are doing way better than Disney of all things. Sony Animation hit a home run with Into the Spiderverse, I'm thinking of seeing How to Train Your Dragon 3, and I might check out the Lego Movie 2 even if I'm less interested. Plus the shows by other western animated television studios (in particular; Hilda and RotTMNT) and a few animes that came out that year I checked out (such as Goblin Slayer among other things) have proven to be better than most of the westernized projects, especially from Disney.

Disney nowadays isn't giving me anything to care about nowadays other than the one sole thing and that's the new Kingdom Hearts game with Square Enix that just came out over last month. And Marvel has now fallen on the same pathway. I mean, there used to be a time where I get excited about a new MCU film (regardless if most of the films that came out are mediocre to okay). But, now I'm just flat-out fucking pissed when a new MCU drops and I'm worried about Endgame.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

I'll just give away my top 10 list here:

1. Avengers: Infinity War
2. Captain America: Winter's Soldier
3. Iron Man 3
4. Guardians 2
5. Captain American: Civil War
6. Guardians
7. Iron Man
8. Doctor Strange
9. Spiderman: Homecoming (As a Spiderman film, I honestly preferred both Sam Raimi's second Spiderman film and Into the Spiderverse over Homecoming; but regardless, it was still fun to watch)
10. Captain America: The First Avenger

Yay! Somebody else who likes Iron Man 3 and Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 2! In my opinion, those are the most underrated movies in the MCU.

I totally get why so many fans disliked Iron Man 3, but I really like it.

And I've grown to absolutely adore Guardians 2. The ending to that movie just hits me in the feels, especially after seeing Infinity War. Damn. I really don't think that movie gets enough credit.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

Age of Ultron, Thor 2 and Guardians 2 were the only genuinely bad MCU films (so far). Then there are the ones like Ant-Man and Doctor Strange that aren't bad, but are so exceedingly mediocre that they're impossible to watch more than once. Finally you have the good ones, which range from the perfect Infinity War to the merely entertaining Guardians 1.

Captain America: Civil War

I would love to see a cut of Civil War without the hangar fight because, as awesome as that fight is, I just lose all interest in the film after its over.

 

[Cuatro Vaginas]

I only really liked the first Iron Man and Winter Soldier, I might be sperging but as a long time comic book reader, those two films are the only ones that showed everything that is great about the characters and their mythos.

The other films just follow the same caca poopo style jokes and drastically change characterizations to make them as one dimensional as possible.

Despite my love for capeshit I'm tired of seeing them dominating cinema tho or better said, I am tired of the MCU formula, so many films and the only times they took risks in their storytelling were with the first Iron Man and Infinity War.

 

[Raging Capybara]

Are you prepared for the downvote wars?

Hum...don't mind the portuguese title, imdb auto translates shit

 

[Ruin]

This the best superhero film prove me wrong.

 

[Oh Shit I'm Sorry]

If we're just using the MCU I'd go

Great: Iron Man 1&3, GotG 1&2, Winter Soldier, IW
Good: Thor 3, Civil War, Homecoming (still need to actually finish it), Ant-Man
Meh: Thor 1&2, Captain America 1, Iron Man 2, Black Panther
Trash I've no intention of ever watching: Age of Feetron, Captain Marvel

Haven't seen Dr. Strange or Ant-Man 2 and I think that's all of them I dunno. At this point I'm burned out on the Marvel brand of capeshit because it's almost always the same formula so I was gonna call quits after Endgame even before all this shit with CM. If they're legit dumb enough to make her actually integral to the finale that's all the more reason.