🪦 Deceased Gwen Hartley & The Hartley Hooligans - Attention Seeking Horrorshow Mom of Two Dead Gremlins & Finally Free Human Son

[MirnaMinkoff]

Thanks. Because Lola is still around. And while I don't believe she'll be around for long she's still seizing.

I'm just wondering if Gwen will pull away from the internet or start doing double time with Lola.

Well spending time with Lola means internet. I always thought since the girls don’t do much that getting interaction from other people about the girls was Gwen’s major form of socializing with them.

 

[Chan the Wizard]

I can’t wait to see the memorial tattoo Gwen guilts Cal into getting.

 

[Meowzers]

i feel kind of gross for wondering this, but how do you think they got her to lay in the coffin? was she shrivelled up in fetal position like she was in life, or did the morticians somehow wrench her little body so she was supine in the coffin?

 

[Bubblez McGee]

https://lolcow.farm/snow/res/471817.html
lcf closed the Hartley's thread even though there's still content to talk about.

We won't close this one here until Gwen herself is gone, whether that be dead or just quitting the internet/attention seeking forever. Which very well could be a possibility to happen after she loses Lola.

I used to read lcf before I found Kiwi farms, but I actually thought the Hartley threads had been closed for a while. Whenever a thread would reach a certain length, they'd start a new one. I think there were three or maybe 4 threads about them on the site, but after the last Hartley thread ended some time ago, I was never able to find another one. I figured that no one had started a new one or lcf had shut down the topic for some reason and I eventually just gave up searching. Was there an extended delay of time between when the last Hartley thread on lcf ended and the current one began or had it been there the whole time and I was just never able to find it?

Either way I don't understand why they would close the thread completely now . Lola is still alive and although Gwen may have taken a social media break, there's no way she'll be gone forever as long as she still has a remaining potato child to exploit.

 

[Blood Debts]

Been trying to get up to date with this particular thread, with the announcement of Claire passing away recently, and I have a theory: it’s quite possible Claire was Gwen’s favorite child. She was the first daughter, the first to be born a rutabaga with eyes, and the one that seemed just “there” enough to further her sassy teen narrative. She posted shit with both of the potatoes only because Lola happened to be there conveniently. It’s entirely possible Gwen won’t post as much now that she just has Lola the meat muppet, or might even stop posting altogether. That might be a long-shot with how much of an attention whore Gwen is, though.

 

[keyboredsm4shthe2nd]

I think Gwen will have one of those horrific silicone dolls made of Claire.

They're not that horrifying if they're made to actually look like a human

Been trying to get up to date with this particular thread, with the announcement of Claire passing away recently, and I have a theory: it’s quite possible Claire was Gwen’s favorite child. She was the first daughter, the first to be born a rutabaga with eyes, and the one that seemed just “there” enough to further her sassy teen narrative. She posted shit with both of the potatoes only because Lola happened to be there conveniently. It’s entirely possible Gwen won’t post as much now that she just has Lola the meat muppet, or might even stop posting altogether. That might be a long-shot with how much of an attention whore Gwen is, though.

Something to consider though is that after Claire was born, Gwen still went for another kid even with a 50/50 shot of Lola being fucked up, so obviously she's got a fetish for these things. My money's on Gwen whoring Lola with a "missing big sissy" narrative.

 

[Skullshatterer]

Been trying to get up to date with this particular thread, with the announcement of Claire passing away recently, and I have a theory: it’s quite possible Claire was Gwen’s favorite child. She was the first daughter, the first to be born a rutabaga with eyes, and the one that seemed just “there” enough to further her sassy teen narrative. She posted shit with both of the potatoes only because Lola happened to be there conveniently. It’s entirely possible Gwen won’t post as much now that she just has Lola the meat muppet, or might even stop posting altogether. That might be a long-shot with how much of an attention whore Gwen is, though.

I always viewed the other way around. I always thought that Lola was her favorite, mostly because she seems more frail and it is inevitably more practical to take her everywhere due her being the size of a bag of sugar. It fits in her fantasy of having a perma baby more than Claire who just looked like a very fucked up disabled child. Lola just looks like a goblin.

 

[Blood Debts]

It fits in her fantasy of having a perma baby more than Claire who just looked like a very fucked up disabled child. Lola just looks like a goblin.

That's just it---I have a hunch Claire was supposed to be the "success story" out of the two spudlings. She survived as long as she did against the odds, and I feel like Gwen had it in her head since Claire lived this long, she would live even longer---possibly enough to m1lk Gwen being a super-mommy all her life. Yes, she had Lola knowing there was a chance she'd be just as fucked up as Claire, and I do think Gwen thought that double the potatoes meant double the attention. But Lola ended up being even worse, and I think Gwen knew full well Lola would not last as long as Claire, so she became even more of an accessory than Claire, a convenient and temporary add-on. And when Lola eventually passed away, she could play up the sympathy with Claire "missing" her dead sister. But with Claire being the one dead, I think with even how exceptional Gwen is she's smart enough to know she can't play up that angle with Lola, being as catastrophically deformed and "not there" as she is. With her "success story" dead, I think it's just a matter of Gwen waiting out Lola passing away next, and her super-mommy days are numbered.

I'm probably (and most likely) absolutely wrong and we'll be seeing her posting again like normal soon, but that's just my hunch.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

I always viewed the other way around. I always thought that Lola was her favorite, mostly because she seems more frail and it is inevitably more practical to take her everywhere due her being the size of a bag of sugar. It fits in her fantasy of having a perma baby more than Claire who just looked like a very fucked up disabled child. Lola just looks like a goblin.

I agree. Claire adolescent growth spurt caused a lot of long twisted limbs that made her care and transportation far more difficult.

The bulky walker thing they had her in at Halloween was a good example of the challenges of her body size and shape. A wheelchair would have been far better option to use, and they did own one, but that wheelchair interfered with the narrative Gwen had about her progress. After all Gwen did post a video of her in that contraption claiming she had taken her first steps.

Lola can easily use all the numerous equipment they have for infants, like the joovy, bumbos, car seats, bassinets, etc.. it made her care and transport 100 times easier than Claire’s.

 

[Polexia Aphrodisia]

F for Claire.

How many nurses/care workers do the Hartleys have, and are they relatively consistent?

Over Christmas, a family member was talking about an acquaintance who has a severely disabled son (through external forces). Because of state law stuff, she's supposed to be getting nurses and care workers for her son paid for by the state, but she can't keep them around long. Her son is 16, I don't know if he's full sized but he isn't a tiny dwarf like Lola, and he requires round the clock care and has constant seizures. IIRC he's about infant functionality if even that. The family member was saying that this acquaintance has had nurses quit after three days or less because they can't handle caring for an extremely disabled teen boy. So she has a "wanted: nurse" ad posted pretty much continuously.

Now, I'm taking it with a grain of salt that these nurses are supposedly quitting because of the boy, and not because his mother is hard to work for (she doesn't sound pleasant based on other accounts of her behavior). But the level of disability made me think of the Hartleys and made me wonder if they have similar problems.

 

[Muscle Bra]

I know this is late but I just noticed that Cal had to use his light saber to hold Claire’s head forward on Halloween. Look at Gwen posing for her LYFE and Claire looks so uncomfortable.
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That is a really good point about the Hartley family dynamics on view in that pic. Scott is on doggie duty and Cal is holding Lola and watching Claire, while Gwennie is doing nothing more than putting forth a good front by posing up a storm and pretending everything is perfect.

I always viewed the other way around. I always thought that Lola was her favorite, mostly because she seems more frail and it is inevitably more practical to take her everywhere due her being the size of a bag of sugar. It fits in her fantasy of having a perma baby more than Claire who just looked like a very fucked up disabled child. Lola just looks like a goblin.

I too always thought Ms. Pocky was Gwennie's favorite. Even though it would have been far easier to put a feeding tube into Lola, Gwennie insisted on feeding Lola by mouth and, even after they gave up trying to give her solid food, Gwennie still bottle fed milk (LOL - I do so love this word filter) and juice to Lola. Along with being Gwennie's perma-baby, I think she preferred Lola because Lola gave her more opportunities to feel like a real mommy.

F for Claire.

How many nurses/care workers do the Hartleys have, and are they relatively consistent? ... Now, I'm taking it with a grain of salt that these nurses are supposedly quitting because of the boy, and not because his mother is hard to work for (she doesn't sound pleasant based on other accounts of her behavior). But the level of disability made me think of the Hartleys and made me wonder if they have similar problems.

Gwen frequently mentions the names of various caretakers and PT's in her blogs/FB posts,which makes me think they've been fairly consistent and have been around for a decently long period of time.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

F for Claire.

How many nurses/care workers do the Hartleys have, and are they relatively consistent?

Over Christmas, a family member was talking about an acquaintance who has a severely disabled son (through external forces). Because of state law stuff, she's supposed to be getting nurses and care workers for her son paid for by the state, but she can't keep them around long. Her son is 16, I don't know if he's full sized but he isn't a tiny dwarf like Lola, and he requires round the clock care and has constant seizures. IIRC he's about infant functionality if even that. The family member was saying that this acquaintance has had nurses quit after three days or less because they can't handle caring for an extremely disabled teen boy. So she has a "wanted: nurse" ad posted pretty much continuously.

Now, I'm taking it with a grain of salt that these nurses are supposedly quitting because of the boy, and not because his mother is hard to work for (she doesn't sound pleasant based on other accounts of her behavior). But the level of disability made me think of the Hartleys and made me wonder if they have similar problems.

That is a really good point about the Hartley family dynamics on view in that pic. Scott is on doggie duty and Cal is holding Lola and watching Claire, while Gwennie is doing nothing more than putting forth a good front by posing up a storm and pretending everything is perfect.


I too always thought Ms. Pocky was Gwennie's favorite. Even though it would have been far easier to put a feeding tube into Lola, Gwennie insisted on feeding Lola by mouth and, even after they gave up trying to give her solid food, Gwennie still bottle fed tard cum (LOL - I do so love this word filter) and juice to Lola. Along with being Gwennie's perma-baby, I think she preferred Lola because Lola gave her more opportunities to feel like a real mommy.


Gwen frequently mentions the names of various caretakers and PT's in her blogs/FB posts,which makes me think they've been fairly consistent and have been around for a decently long period of time.

One of the people thanked due to assisting during Claire’s death in the FB announcement was a RN that was on duty at their home at the time. Not cheap to have an RN on duty at your house.

Claire and Lola, esp at night, would be plum work for a nurse. They are small, no weight, they can’t move, tube or bottle feedings and don’t even cry. Basically it’s just watching monitors all night with an occasional feeding and diaper. Even easier and less demanding than caring for a normal newborn because no crying - and newborns are a piece of cake for experienced nurses. Compared to being at a hospital on your feet all night with 12 patients it’s a dream job, that’s why their nursing staff stayed on so long. It doesn’t get much easier than potato farming for an RN, esp night duty so mom isn’t breathing down their neck.

A teenage male, if he is of average size, would be much more difficult for one person to deal with. Dealing with 120 lbs plus of dead weight is hard fucking work. The lifting alone for bathing, transfers and diapering would be very difficult. Daytime duty esp would be the worst since you have mom watching, three meals being fed and therefore at least five diapers plus transfers and dressing. I’m sure she does have problems with keeping staff esp if she wants nurses, not just a aide. (She’d be better off training a guy with a strong back and needing steady work then trying to get LPN or RNs to stick around. Nurses have plenty of better job options.)

 

[heathercho]

One of the people thanked due to assisting during Claire’s death in the FB announcement was a RN that was on duty at their home at the time. Not cheap to have an RN on duty at your house.

Claire and Lola, esp at night, would be plum work for a nurse. They are small, no weight, they can’t move, tube or bottle feedings and don’t even cry. Basically it’s just watching monitors all night with an occasional feeding and diaper. Even easier and less demanding than caring for a normal newborn because no crying - and newborns are a piece of cake for experienced nurses. Compared to being at a hospital on your feet all night with 12 patients it’s a dream job, that’s why their nursing staff stayed on so long. It doesn’t get much easier than potato farming for an RN, esp night duty so mom isn’t breathing down their neck.

A teenage male, if he is of average size, would be much more difficult for one person to deal with. Dealing with 120 lbs plus of dead weight is hard fucking work. The lifting alone for bathing, transfers and diapering would be very difficult. Daytime duty esp would be the worst since you have mom watching, three meals being fed and therefore at least five diapers plus transfers and dressing. I’m sure she does have problems with keeping staff esp if she wants nurses, not just a aide. (She’d be better off training a guy with a strong back and needing steady work then trying to get LPN or RNs to stick around. Nurses have plenty of better job options.)

If I remember correctly, Lola is the one who needed the night nurse the most, because she doesn't sleep, she cries a lot and seizes every 5 seconds.
And for some reason, is constantly falling off her beanbag/thing. I think Gwen said she only sleeps in 15-30min intervals every now and then.
The rest is her seize-bleating and writhering around. And shit explosions no doubt.

When looking for that, I noticed Gwen uses "Clary Sage to try and stop seizures". Wow. I'm very cool with woo stuff, but Jesus...

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

If I remember correctly, Lola is the one who needed the night nurse the most, because she doesn't sleep, she cries a lot and seizes every 5 seconds.
And for some reason, is constantly falling off her beanbag/thing. I think Gwen said she only sleeps in 15-30min intervals every now and then.
The rest is her seize-bleating and writhering around. And shit explosions no doubt.

When looking for that, I noticed Gwen uses "Clary Sage to try and stop seizures". Wow. I'm very cool with woo stuff, but Jesus...

That’s what Gwen claims and it sounds great for mommy martyrdom. If she wants to jump up every time the potato bleats or seizes then that’s her call, I’m betting any night nurse is way more fucking chill potato farming while Gwen sleeps. Nurse knows it’s a waste of time to soothe an oblivious potato - she get some food in her, changes a diaper, watches the monitors and reads her magazines 0r watches Netflix.

 

[PettyBitch]

That’s what Gwen claims and it sounds great for mommy martyrdom. If she wants to jump up every time the potato bleats or seizes then that’s her call, I’m betting any night nurse is way more fucking chill potato farming while Gwen sleeps. Nurse knows it’s a waste of time to soothe an oblivious potato - she get some food in her, changes a diaper, watches the monitors and reads her magazines 0r watches Netflix.

But Lola doesn't clear her airway well at all and is the one who needs supplemental oxygen at times. She absolutely could choke and may need frequent, around the clock clearing of her airway through use of suctioning. God forbid she becomes hypoxic because she has no respiratory reserve; she's gonna be dead in no time flat if immediate interventions aren't done.

If I remember correctly, Lola is the one who needed the night nurse the most, because she doesn't sleep, she cries a lot and seizes every 5 seconds.
And for some reason, is constantly falling off her beanbag/thing. I think Gwen said she only sleeps in 15-30min intervals every now and then.
The rest is her seize-bleating and writhering around. And shit explosions no doubt.

Claire slept on a beanbag and would often roll herself under the bed. Lola "sleeps" in Gwen's arms all night. So, I'm assuming she asks that of healthcare workers, whether they do it or not is their business, but I know of SEVERAL nurses who are dumb as shit and do futile things just because they're told by someone who is clearly less intelligent than they are. Wrap her up like a burrito, lay her on her side, and sit near her while you fuck around on your phone.

 

[Eabani]

Wrap her up like a burrito, lay her on her side, and sit near her while you fuck around on your phone.

Been there done that did not get a t-shirt. Side is too unsteady though. Fowler’s all the way.

Im interested in how the hell gwen sleeps if she has a child in her arms who constantly seizes? Surely their night RN also has to look after Lola.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

But Lola doesn't clear her airway well at all and is the one who needs supplemental oxygen at times. She absolutely could choke and may need frequent, around the clock clearing of her airway through use of suctioning. God forbid she becomes hypoxic because she has no respiratory reserve; she's gonna be dead in no time flat if immediate interventions aren't done.

Claire slept on a beanbag and would often roll herself under the bed. Lola "sleeps" in Gwen's arms all night. So, I'm assuming she asks that of healthcare workers, whether they do it or not is their business, but I know of SEVERAL nurses who are dumb as shit and do futile things just because they're told by someone who is clearly less intelligent than they are. Wrap her up like a burrito, lay her on her side, and sit near her while you fuck around on your phone.

I don’t think Lola’s breathing is that fragile and I’ve never heard Gwen mentioning her needing suction or having a machine on hand, but I could have missed it. Gwen likes hero mommy details like that so I figure she would have mentioned it if so. Gwen has complained about having the monitoring device ruining her room decor though. (But it was just one of those things on a pole)

The main issue seemed to be her reflux and bleeting loudly during the night. (The fact Lola makes that weird sound at least demonstrated lung copacity.)

I think you could keep a 24/7 vigilant watch up like that for up to a year but I don’t think Gwen has spent almost every night for the past decade holding Lola all night and forgoing sleep. That’s “the legend of potato mom” territory. I figure she sleeps unless Lola goes all angry lamb or the monitors go off and it seems angry lamb was the main reason she woke Gwen.

In her blog post about a rough patch she mentioned Lola bleeting every 20 min and not sleeping much at all but it did sound like a particularly bad few months, not what every night has been like for Lola.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

What the hell is the bleating, anyway? Is it analogous to some primitive reflex?

However, I agree with you about Gwen. She's probably sad because she's not going to get the same amount of help and attention, but I struggle to believe that her mourning is for Claire as a "person" because I've never seen her really treat her as the real person she is.

Claire wasn't a person. Claire was the remains of a person that failed to form.

 

[AdSense]

Claire wasn't a person. Claire was the remains of a person that failed to form.

Claire was the shambles of her normal life that she desperately clung to.

I compare the Hartleys and their delusional idealized version of coping with having profoundly disabled children to other people, who realized immediately their lives would never be the same and stopped pretending like they would. Wendy Gilker is another good example of a mom who isn't freakishly out of touch with reality about her child's life, and her daughter died last year. She's a total loon in every other regard but she's also 66 and spent half her life caring for her daughter on her own, but she understood her child's quality of life was poor and didn't want to drag it out with needless suffering when she was past her time.

The Hartley's never changed their routine or how they presented themselves. They dragged their two extremely disabled children out on activities they couldn't enjoy or participating and where they were at risk for catching illnesses they can't fight off. They're mourning their idea of their daughter, not the sad reality of her life.

 

[PettyBitch]

I don’t think Lola’s breathing is that fragile and I’ve never heard Gwen mentioning her needing suction or having a machine on hand, but I could have missed it. Gwen likes hero mommy details like that so I figure she would have mentioned it if so.

Don't see why Gwen would mention having to suction her fragile child because she can't adequately swallow. Wouldn't buy into her "spunky, able teen" narrative at all. She doesn't really share any of their common medical struggles unless they somehow make it into a picture or it is a drastic situation. And I've seen her breathing with accessory muscle usage (which means she's working hard too breathe). In the video where she's being such a superstar and eating, you can literally hear her aspirating. Which takes me to my next point. If reflux is an issue, then maintaining a clear airway is of even greater importance. I wonder how many times this kid has had aspiration pneumonia. We'd never know because she doesn't share things like that. Claire looked like a bronzed trophy (not a good one tho) and all we got was "we have ruled out jaundice". So she isn't giving with negative medical information.

Been there done that did not get a t-shirt. Side is too unsteady though. Fowler’s all the way.

Im interested in how the hell gwen sleeps if she has a child in her arms who constantly seizes? Surely their night RN also has to look after Lola.

Guess she'd have to rock in the Bumbo, then. She has a back hump and scoliosis, so I can't see how that would be comfortable. My logic in laying on her side after wrapping her is that she can't independently roll over, it would keep her hands out of her mouth, and aspiration risk is reduced.

What the hell is the bleating, anyway? Is it analogous to some primitive reflex?


Claire wasn't a person. Claire was the remains of a person that failed to form.

Not really seeing the need the split hairs over how to identify Claire when, regardless of your chosen word, she still deserved privacy and dignity.