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A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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It's not supposed to go sideways or vertically.
So I’ve been told…

Anyway, the meningitis outbreak is bacterial, MenB, and apparently there’s a similar outbreak in Dunedin in NZ at the moment.
These usually follow the same pattern - bunch of kids go clubbing or to a party or a lecture, or just hang out in halls. A couple fall very sick, their housemates drag them to the doc, to be told they’re hungover and to fuck off. Even if said housemate hadn’t drunk anything. They get told to go home, and they die. Rather horribly.
At that point the media gets involved and suddenly it’s all lessons learned and antibiotics all round, and ring fence vaccination and serious faces and in the meantime you’ve got 3-4 dead students.
The MenB shot is only good for a few years, so anyone who had it as a baby isn’t protected as a student. You can also harbour and pass on the bacteria when vaccinated
 
It's kind of horrifying to realise you mean the 20th century.
The roaring 90s when everything looked like the future was going to be bright and we had a bazillion great British bands and directors and writers all making their best work feels like it was only five to ten years ago, right?

Check again. It was SEVENTY SIX YEARS AGO.
 
So I’ve been told…

Anyway, the meningitis outbreak is bacterial, MenB, and apparently there’s a similar outbreak in Dunedin in NZ at the moment.
These usually follow the same pattern - bunch of kids go clubbing or to a party or a lecture, or just hang out in halls. A couple fall very sick, their housemates drag them to the doc, to be told they’re hungover and to fuck off. Even if said housemate hadn’t drunk anything. They get told to go home, and they die. Rather horribly.
At that point the media gets involved and suddenly it’s all lessons learned and antibiotics all round, and ring fence vaccination and serious faces and in the meantime you’ve got 3-4 dead students.
The MenB shot is only good for a few years, so anyone who had it as a baby isn’t protected as a student. You can also harbour and pass on the bacteria when vaccinated
Almost this exact situation happened when I was younger. A group of us were turning 18 within days of each other, we decided to go out to celebrate.
One of our friends couldn't even touch a single drink of alcohol because she didn't feel well, said she felt like she was coming down with flu, so she went home early.

Her mum was very worried about her the next day, so took her to their GP, he said she was hungover and to sleep it off.

A couple of hours later she was in and out of consciousness so her mum took her to A&E.
A&E Doctors said she was just hungover and still possibly drunk (even though she hadn't had a drink) and sent them back home.

The meningitis rash that we are all told to look out for as parents appeared on her body about 10/15 minutes before she died.
 
A&E Doctors said she was just hungover and still possibly drunk (even though she hadn't had a drink) and sent them back home.
This is exactly what happened to my friend. Had had maybe half a drink, felt terrible, went home. A and E the next day, explained all this to them, told she was hungover, vigorous protests from her friends ignored (ironically they were medical students and told to not overstep their bounds) and sent home. Dead in hours. Shockedface all round and excuses from everyone.
NEVER ignore blinding headaches, high fevers etc. Always push for someone to be seen properly if you’re worried.
 
The MenB shot is only good for a few years, so anyone who had it as a baby isn’t protected as a student. You can also harbour and pass on the bacteria when vaccinated
Yikes, I'm p sure thats one of the ones I'm missing but im admittedly very cautious/worried about side effects from vaccines. Is it worth going to get caught up? Like is it a fairly safe vax to get or are there chances of a reaction? I've never had a reaction to any of the usual jabs but after seeing my housemates get incredibly sick from the covid jab i've refused to get anything since.

Keir is again promising to help the poorest with their bills with some 53 million hes just found (probs from my taxes while Octopus rapes me dry). No word about opening the North Sea. Promises to "not be dragged into wider war", which I can believe, but it's not an hard stance to take when you simply have no army to war with.
Also I can't understand Farage's angle here; YouGov has agreed to change the way it publishes its polls after a row with Nigel Farage
Farage argued YouGov’s polling breached British Polling Council rules by not publishing the underlying national party preference data, which it adjusts to account for tactical voting

YouGov has now said it will include that data in future tables
 
Yikes, I'm p sure thats one of the ones I'm missing but im admittedly very cautious/worried about side effects from vaccines. Is it worth going to get caught up? Like is it a fairly safe vax to get or are there chances of a reaction? I've never had a reaction to any of the usual jabs but after seeing my housemates get incredibly sick from the covid jab i've refused to get anything since.
Meningitis vaccines have been around for a long time and protect you reliably from a disease that actually exists. Meningitis is nasty because you can wake up fine and be dead by dinner time, you are unlikely to get it though unless you have children who mix with other children, or live in shared accommodation.
 
Almost this exact situation happened when I was younger. A group of us were turning 18 within days of each other, we decided to go out to celebrate.
One of our friends couldn't even touch a single drink of alcohol because she didn't feel well, said she felt like she was coming down with flu, so she went home early.

Her mum was very worried about her the next day, so took her to their GP, he said she was hungover and to sleep it off.

A couple of hours later she was in and out of consciousness so her mum took her to A&E.
A&E Doctors said she was just hungover and still possibly drunk (even though she hadn't had a drink) and sent them back home.

The meningitis rash that we are all told to look out for as parents appeared on her body about 10/15 minutes before she died.

This is exactly what happened to my friend. Had had maybe half a drink, felt terrible, went home. A and E the next day, explained all this to them, told she was hungover, vigorous protests from her friends ignored (ironically they were medical students and told to not overstep their bounds) and sent home. Dead in hours. Shockedface all round and excuses from everyone.
NEVER ignore blinding headaches, high fevers etc. Always push for someone to be seen properly if you’re worried.

Sad stories both. One skill more doctors could work on developing is the ability to tell the difference between the person who goes in every time they have a cold or a bruised wrist, and the person who hasn't been to a doctor in a decade, is in agony and begins "I'm sorry to be a bother..."
 
The briefing against Starmer has stepped up a notch.

'Keir Starmer has no views': the inside story of an absent PM

Key quote:

Cabinet ministers and No 10 advisers strained for loyalty. But it proved too difficult for some. “He is,” said one influential aide upon their departure from Downing Street, “the least intellectually curious person I have ever met.” Said another politician upon whom Starmer relied heavily: “He can only prepare by reading briefing books for hours on end. He doesn’t brainstorm. He has no fixed views on anything. There’s no clarity because there’s no belief. There’s no belief because there’s no understanding. There’s no understanding because there’s no curiosity.” Said a senior civil servant who observed him closely: “He is not a compassionate man. He’s careless about people around him. It’s just not warm. He just doesn’t think very hard about other people.” A once-close adviser, witheringly: “I don’t think he has a theory of power. I don’t think he’s ever sat down and read any history, or has any idea of how power works. I just don’t think he would be attracted to the kind of historical figures who got stuff done.”

The passive premiership​

At first they did not notice. After a little while — weeks, months — it struck them. Some ignored it. For others it became oppressive. Those who were honest with themselves admitted they had not known what to expect from Downing Street, or power itself. But it was not this: unnatural, overwhelming silence.
The work of government went on wordlessly behind closed doors as it had since Labour’s election in July 2024. The prime minister liked to work alone in the upstairs room they called the Thatcher study. The Iron Lady stared down at him over the first weeks of his premiership; disturbed, he had the picture taken away. Officials wondered what exactly he had not wanted her to see. If she could have spoken, she would have told them that the prime minster was reading.
Reading time. That, as much as the deathly hush, was the biggest mystery of the new No 10. For hours Sir Keir Starmer sat alone, rigid with monastic intensity, moving word by word through paper after paper. Rishi Sunak had done the same. The last prime minister subjected every document he could find to the microscope, as if searching for a miracle cure to his own political mortality. From his long and lonely hours of research he would emerge demanding action — seized not only of urgent conviction, but a desire to share his latest remedy with advisers, with the cabinet secretary, with anyone prepared to listen and challenge him. Starmer was different. He read everything, then said nothing. “It’s just so odd,” said one senior official who observed Starmer closely, awaiting instructions that never came. “It’s a very oddly passive premiership.”

The winter fuel debacle​

After 14 years of estrangement, the Labour Party had reintroduced itself to the people in the worst possible terms. On Sunday July 7, aides from No 10 and the Treasury were mustered in the Cabinet Room. None had expected to inherit the kind of riches the last Tory government had bequeathed its Labour successors in 1997. But what they heard surprised them all: £22 billion in public spending was unaccounted for. Something drastic would have to be done to avoid a run on the pound, or some other implosion on the markets.
Starmer was not there. Nor was his chief political adviser, Morgan McSweeney. The decision fell to Rachel Reeves alone. The chancellor had arrived at the Treasury in a straitjacket of her own choosing. The most significant line in Labour’s manifesto had been a vow of abstinence: no increases in income tax, no increases in national insurance and no increases in VAT.
The Treasury officials of whose orthodoxy the new chancellor was now a prisoner presented her with a list of the implausible and unpalatable suggestions. They suggested she could legalise cannabis for additional tax revenue. The chancellor declined. She alighted instead on what her advisers described as the “least worst” option: means-testing the benefit of which her hero, Gordon Brown, had always been so proud — the winter fuel allowance for pensioners. This was a minefield the Tories had never entered. Yet there was no challenge from No 10. Starmer did not notice the stench of political death. His chancellor had presented him with the numbers, and her answer. The prime minister simply said yes. McSweeney had not been there, he said. This would become a familiar refrain. When failure came knocking at No 10 — and it was to be a regular visitor — the Irishman always seemed to have an alibi.
It increasingly seemed the prime minister was the last person taking decisions of consequence. He only discovered that Sue Gray, his chief of staff, and Louise Haigh, the transport secretary, had given striking train drivers a new pay deal after it had been agreed. The civil servants who had just begun to work with Starmer were baffled at first. Then, as the months ground on, the confounding realisation struck them. Why would Haigh have bothered to consult him? In the frantic meetings after the winter fuel allowance announcement he was a conspicuous, unfelt absence. “We were surrounded by people, who had worked for Blair and Brown,” one adviser said. ‘They would have known exactly what they would have said had they been in a room like that. None of us could say the same about Keir. It wasn’t just that we didn’t know what he would say. We didn’t know whether he would have said anything.”
In time, the public would have its say. So too would Labour MPs who bore the brunt of their fury. “Our public opinion plummeted because of winter fuel,” said one senior adviser in No 10.
By now the public assumed the forthcoming budget would be even worse. “We’d do constant focus- group work on the budget, and people were saying: ‘They’re going to put up every single tax. I don’t know how I’m going to survive this.’ ”
In the Treasury, they asked themselves the same question. How could the manifesto survive contact with the bleak fiscal reality?
Labour’s research team polled every possible tax rise individually, and then head to head, presenting voters with thousands of binary choices. “It was all really unpalatable,” said a Downing Street aide who saw the results. “But some were less unpalatable than others.” The die was cast. On October 30, Reeves stayed true to her word — but only in part. She did not raise income tax, national insurance or VAT on working people. She increased it for their employers instead, and spent the proceeds on the National Health Service. Reeves told herself the budget had at least spared Britain bankruptcy. But after only four months, Starmer’s reserves of political capital were running dry.
The PM fortified his position by ousting Sue Gray as his chief of staff, installing McSweeney as chief aide and courting Donald Trump, re-elected US president on November 5. To those who baulked at this last step, Starmer was later able to point to the sweetheart deal that spared Britain tariffs imposed on other countries. Briefly it seemed to outsiders as if Starmer might succeed in doing politics without imagination — that the world’s most intractable problems could be resolved, as he had always hoped, through competence and courtesy. Yet those who had seen him grapple with domestic politics knew the truth was different.

Scunthorpe and Runcorn​

In April 2025, British Steel’s plant in Scunthorpe teetered on the brink of bankruptcy. The Chinese owners had declared themselves content to close the blast furnaces and thus end virgin steelmaking in Britain.
Starmer, just as the Brexiteers had done before him, had promised to reindustrialise hundreds of towns just like this one.
Jonathan Reynolds, the business secretary, refused to sit back and accept what Beijing’s moneymen said was inevitable. The forbidden word of New Labour — nationalisation — re-entered the lexicon of government. “We are doing this,” he told civil servants, insisting the government would have MPs return from their holidays for a weekend sitting of the Commons if necessary. “I have 400 friends that I will get to London on a Saturday to back me up if we need to.”
He had pored over the Civil Contingencies Act, the law — never used by any government — that gave ministers extraordinary powers to requisition property in the event of a national emergency. Its high thresholds, chief among them an imminent risk to life, had not been met. He would have to legislate to take British Steel into government control himself. At 9am that Friday, Reynolds went to No 10. Around the cabinet table, surrounded by officials and advisers, sat Starmer, Reeves, and Yvette Cooper, the home secretary. Cooper supported the plan. Reeves had found the money. But what did the prime minister think? Without his licence, no action could be taken. And so a circular discussion began. Starmer said there were no grounds to trigger the Civil Contingencies Act, and recalled it had not been used even during the Covid pandemic. Reynolds knew as much already. On and on it went.
“Keir really wanted to know what the right answer was,” recalls one person present. To everyone else it was clear that there was no right answer: only a question of political judgment. Starmer needed to agree to the ends, then will the means. But there they were, again, confronting the obvious as their leader sought refuge in a winding maze of process. Eventually, Reynolds snapped. He needed to know what Starmer believed — what he felt to be right. “We have to decide whether we’re going to let British Steel go down or not,” he said.
That afternoon, Starmer went on television and with conviction. Announcing an emergency Saturday sitting of parliament, he said: “As prime minister, I will always act in the national interest to protect British jobs and British workers.” He went on: “I’ve been to Scunthorpe. I met the steelworkers. I know how important steel is — not just to the region, but to the whole country. It’s part of our national story: part of the pride and heritage of this nation. And I’ll tell you this: it is essential for our future.” Only a handful of his ministers knew that, hours earlier, he had appeared to have no opinion at all.
The political outlook grew uglier with the rise of Nigel Farage and Reform UK. Runcorn, the grey industrial town on the banks of the Mersey, surrendered first. Mike Amesbury, the Labour MP, had been captured by CCTV punching a man to the ground, prompting his resignation and a criminal conviction. In the by-election that followed on May 1, a Labour majority of more than 14,000 evaporated. Reform took one of Starmer’s safest seats by six votes.
Many Labour MPs, now fearing for their own seats, knew who and what to blame. It was all because of the cut to winter fuel, they said loudly. Sotto voce, among themselves, they pointed accusatory fingers at McSweeney. Only he would dare to force a progressive party to disavow its values — its concern for the old and needy — so spectacularly. This, of course, was not entirely fair. It had not been his idea: at first he had not known about it. Once he knew, however, he had spoken as though it had been his creation. As late as that year’s conference, he told one newspaper editor the trouble with Labour MPs was that too many had the mindset of charity workers and civil servants. For him, winter fuel had been a virility test, a reminder that governing required as many difficult decisions as opposition.
But in the days after the result, Starmer met with Reeves. They concluded they had little option but to cast off the albatross around the government’s neck. Within a month, the chancellor had all but reversed the policy she had wasted ten months defending as non-negotiable.

Welfare revolt​

Worse was to come. In March, under pressure from Downing Street, Liz Kendall had brought forward proposals to reform welfare. The work and pensions secretary wanted more than anything to make a Labour case for the dignity of work. The politician — whose kamikaze 2015 leadership campaign, run by McSweeney, told the party exactly what it did not want to hear on migration and the economy — had evolved in the intervening decade. She did not want to slash and burn the benefits system, but harboured ambitions to lift the two-child cap at the same time as toughening eligibility for certain payments. Starmer and Reeves presented the public with the opposite. Without her knowledge, her programme of welfare reform was leaked and framed as a £5 billion cut, with recipients of disability benefits paying most of the bill. There would be no lifting of the cap. Labour MPs saw this as evidence that the party had abandoned its soul.
By May 8, eighty of them had signed a letter to Starmer’s chief whip, in which they declared the cuts unconscionable. Less than a week later, the number of refuseniks had passed a hundred. Defeat became inevitable and the whips told McSweeney so. As ever, Starmer was the last to realise the enormity of what he had done.
On the eve of the vote, Angela Rayner and Wes Streeting bumped into one another in a Commons corridor. They were both on the way to tell the prime minister that his MPs were willing to inflict the biggest defeat of his premiership. Starmer’s emissaries, led by Rayner, went cap in hand to the rebels. Starmer was not present for the talks. Reeves had no option but to agree to a peace deal that, almost comically, ended up increasing spending on welfare.
On July 2, the week of the first anniversary of the election victory, the chancellor arrived in the Commons for prime minister’s questions in a state of heightened emotion. It had been a difficult morning at home. The weight of circumstance, political and personal, bore down on her. On her way into the chamber, she passed the Speaker’s chair.
Sir Lindsay Hoyle remonstrated with her over a perceived slight to his authority some days previously. She told him: “I’m under a lot of pressure.” The Speaker exploded. “You think you’re under pressure?” he shouted. Reeves took her seat beside Starmer with puffy, bloodshot eyes. Kemi Badenoch, the leader of the opposition, asked whether the prime minister had confidence in his chancellor. He laughed it off without answering. The benches opposite responded with derision. The chancellor began to weep. It was all too much, yet Starmer was oblivious. The nation was not.

A search for answers​

The summer recess in late July came as blessed relief to Starmer. Insurrection by his MPs had badly damaged his standing. He was bitter, dejected, frustrated. To one friend he wondered aloud whether he remained the right person for the job he had coveted so much. Nothing seemed to work. The man who prided himself on his ability to reform the most outdated of institutions — first the Bar, and then the Crown Prosecution Service — struggled to make sense of the impasse before him. One of his closest advisers says he saw government as a horologist would see an antique clock. Tuned correctly, each cog and gear could fit together and keep perfect time. So long as he found the right parts, the machine would whir back into life, however broken it may have appeared. Yet the British government did not conform to that approach.
Aides found themselves summoned to Chequers with little notice. Starmer wanted answers. At last he appeared alive to the existential peril he had spent a year sleepwalking into. Yet solutions were in short supply.
In early September Rayner resigned from government over a tax scandal. In the reshuffle that followed, No 10 sacked Lucy Powell, the leader of the Commons, who was baselessly blamed for every leak or briefing from within cabinet. She had her revenge a month later when Labour members elected her to Rayner’s old job as deputy leader, making her a tribune for Starmerism’s many losers — all those MPs and members whose sense of self and autonomy the prime minister and his advisers had undermined. Said one leading Downing Street aide, ruefully recalling the comparison to a driverless London train with which one of McSweeney’s intimates had once condemned Starmer: “Morgan has been replaced by Lucy Powell as the driver of the Docklands Light Railway train. It’s Lucy Powell’s world now.”

A man of little compassion​

By the autumn of 2025, MPs began to wonder aloud how long he would last. The prime minister was running out of other people to blame.
Cabinet ministers and No 10 advisers strained for loyalty. But it proved too difficult for some. “He is,” said one influential aide upon their departure from Downing Street, “the least intellectually curious person I have ever met.” Said another politician upon whom Starmer relied heavily: “He can only prepare by reading briefing books for hours on end. He doesn’t brainstorm. He has no fixed views on anything. There’s no clarity because there’s no belief. There’s no belief because there’s no understanding. There’s no understanding because there’s no curiosity.” Said a senior civil servant who observed him closely: “He is not a compassionate man. He’s careless about people around him. It’s just not warm. He just doesn’t think very hard about other people.” A once-close adviser, witheringly: “I don’t think he has a theory of power. I don’t think he’s ever sat down and read any history, or has any idea of how power works. I just don’t think he would be attracted to the kind of historical figures who got stuff done.”
McSweeney was depressed. As the wreckage of the welfare rebellion smouldered around him, he had told an old friend over dinner: “I’m drowning out here, I need help.” The riptide of the prime minister’s urge for self-preservation began to pull him away from the Irishman. In McSweeney’s weakest moments, he confessed to those closest to him that Starmer remained unknowable. In the hours before Lord Mandelson’s sacking as the British ambassador to Washington in September, McSweeney told one intimate that his guess was as good as anybody’s as to where Keir would “end up” on a given issue.
“It’s definitely not a relationship where the chief of staff is the voice and the eyes and the ears of their principal,” a colleague of both men ruefully concluded. “The room where decisions are taken doesn’t exist. You would think that it was a deliberate thing, that Keir thrives in chaos. But it’s not, and he doesn’t. It’s very, very strange.”
On the night of the September 2025 reshuffle, the cabinet retired to Ed Miliband’s north London home, streets away from the house to which Starmer had never invited them. The prime minister and his chief of staff were not present. Before long the ministers were talking about the leadership, and how long their prime minister might last.

Cooper v Reeves showdown​

The 2025 budget offered the government a stay of execution. If the prime minister could not tell the country who or what his premiership was for, his chancellor could show them.
Reeves delayed it until the end of November — going long, in the hope that the UK’s negligible rates of economic growth would rise and inflation might fall. But she faced what she described bitterly as “an impossible set of choices”. Some were of her own making. In a fit of opportunism as shadow chancellor, she had lionised the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR), the budget watchdog whose pessimistic readings of the public finances sharply constrained her room for manoeuvre. Its economists refused to say that her embrace of planning reform to stimulate housebuilding and desperate wooing of the European Union would boost Britain’s growth, and with it the national current account. Other concessions were forced upon her by mutinous Labour MPs who refused to support her on welfare, on the hated two-child benefit limit, or on anything else that made them feel uncomfortable as loud and proud progressives of the kind McSweeney had once derided as insipid librarians. Cabinet colleagues provided little comfort.
In June, tense negotiations over the spending review that preceded the budget had ended in bitter recrimination. Yvette Cooper asked for more money to fund the new police officers promised in Labour’s manifesto, and to fulfil pledges to halve knife crime and violence against women and girls. The home secretary came to the Treasury to set out her position to Reeves and Darren Jones, then chief secretary to the Treasury. The discussion was scratchy and fractious.
“The truth is, Yvette,” Jones said, “you should have never promised to increase police numbers in the manifesto when we didn’t know how things would look in government.”
Cooper had not come for a dressing down. “I’m sure everyone made promises in the manifesto that look a bit more difficult to stick to in government,” she replied, archly. “But we are where we are.”
Reeves exploded. She gathered her papers. “This meeting is over,” she said, storming out of her own boardroom. As she left, those present heard her complain that Cooper was “trying to lecture me on economic strategy”.
Jones, rising to leave, declared: “Well, that’s it.” Cooper persisted, continuing to explain her position to a Treasury official frozen in their seat by second-hand embarrassment. Jones ordered the official to get up. He turned to the home secretary: “That’s it, the chancellor has asked you to leave, you need to leave.”

Budget day​

By November 26, there were no surprises left. Almost all of the chancellor’s speech had been briefed and leaked to the newspapers in advance. In a final act of unhelpfulness, the OBR accidentally uploaded its own costings of her decisions to its website some 45 minutes before Reeves rose to speak in the Commons.
Reeves had told Labour MPs that she would cut NHS waiting lists, the national debt and the cost of living, and she declared victory on all three. The grim projections of her impartial masters said the opposite: that debt would rise, growth would stagnate, and household disposable income would fall. The tax burden, already at its highest level since the Second World War, rose again. Millions of workers were dragged into higher rates of income tax when Reeves reneged on her promise to increase the tax bands in line with inflation.
But still the MPs who were once the vanguard of Starmer and McSweeney’s changed Labour Party were in raptures. Reeves told them they could have their way and abolished the two-child cap on welfare. Once, opposition to such generosity from the state was the purity test of the Starmer project. Barely a year earlier, seven Corbynites had been exiled for voting for the policy Reeves now heralded as the government’s crowning achievement. This was change, but not as promised. All the right people were cheering the wrong thing.
It was as if Morgan McSweeney had never existed, and the long, brutal war for supremacy over the left had never happened. The Labour Party had not changed at all. In an instant, it all meant nothing: every promise, every speech, every slogan. The project had never belonged to Keir Starmer, but for years those around him had maintained the tenuous fiction that he was its leader. No longer.
Yet still he was smiling, rooted to the front bench, the ageing face curiously untroubled, as if he were back on the DLR — the passive prime minister, content to be driven to his destination by strangers who held him in contempt. The difference now was that even they did not know where the Labour Party was going.
 
Scientific Tea and Biccy experiments...I have found that ¾ of a pack of custard creams is the limit to where all tea is absorbed, except for the unholy bit right at the bottom that is excess crumb-age and in my opinion, undrinkable.
What brand? Are we talking the double packs or the half packs? What other biscuits are you going to try? What is your dunking technique?
As we are all Brits, I would posit that we all somehow have a Sports Direct mug, even if we have never even shopped there, if so please be careful carrying out your experiments, if you knock it over you're gonna flood your house.
They used to give them out free. Now they're charging for them..
I can’t fit a whole Tim tam in my mouth. Do you have jaws like a snake you can unhinge or something?
Men have bigger mouths than women. It's how you can spot a gentleman from a homo. Gentleman have smaller penises like myself.
 
Well the public loved just stop oil so I'm sure taking the same route will also make the public love you and end the existence of rich people? Can't wait until they start supergluing themselves to a trolley or some dumb shit.

Surely the food banks could be prosecuted for receiving stolen property?

I would hope that any food bank worker would tell these arseholes where to stick their stolen pate foie gras, pheasant breasts, caviar and San Pelligrino.

Stolen property is stolen property, what ever way you look at it.
 
The roaring 90s when everything looked like the future was going to be bright and we had a bazillion great British bands and directors and writers all making their best work feels like it was only five to ten years ago, right?

Check again. It was SEVENTY SIX YEARS AGO.
"PARKLIFE!" I bellowed into the ear of a passing stranger, who responded thusly:

"Zounds! Verily you have deafened me, good sir!"

Dropping into a furtive simian crouch, like a monkey who is preparing to throw his shit at someone, I began to chant repeatedly: "O-AY-SIS!, O-AY-SIS!"

Meanwhile at Number Ten, the degenerate figure of Peter Mandelson, sensing the winds of change on the CK One-scented air, telephoned his stockbroker and instructed him to invest heavily in Burqa factories.
 
'Keir Starmer has no views': the inside story of an absent PM
There is an idea of a Kier Starmer. Some kind of abstraction. But there is no real me. Only an entity. Something illusory. And though I can hide my cold gaze, and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours, and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable, I simply am not there.
 
Surely the food banks could be prosecuted for receiving stolen property?

I would hope that any food bank worker would tell these arseholes where to stick their stolen pate foie gras, pheasant breasts, caviar and San Pelligrino.

Stolen property is stolen property, what ever way you look at it.
It's also going to turn people against donating to food banks. Not that many people are these days. Sorry but I'm not donating shit to any one I don't see before hand. I know how much of it goes to foreigners who shouldn't be here. I'd rather set fire to my money than donate a penny into a modern charity.
 
It's also going to turn people against donating to food banks. Not that many people are these days. Sorry but I'm not donating shit to any one I don't see before hand. I know how much of it goes to foreigners who shouldn't be here. I'd rather set fire to my money than donate a penny into a modern charity.
The reason there are donations is the same reason there is supermarket brand clothes in charity shops and would you like to donate on tap and go tills.
Tax rebates.
 
@teriyakiburns, this checks out, as Angela Rayner, on record, has said numerous times: "I would not trust him, or expect him to know how to run a bath." He sounds utterly miserable; he only fancies the trappings but does not have any idea of influence.

Wellington and Churchill were somewhere on the spectrum. Churchill was ritualistic but a genius at predicting people and reading how the wind would blow. He called the aftermath of Yalta to a T. As for Wellington, he was an incredible tactician, and not a shit PM. He was called "tactless." He was insanely black and white like Churchill, actually.


A new AI video is doing the rounds it has amassed millions of views

As for Nigel, it is not looking great. I think he is going to bail soon, honestly. Kent Council is nightmare fuel, performing awful and he used Tice as a sacrificial lamb to tout these numbers.

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These numbers are NOTHING, "we need experts," well, apparently they are shit. All this was to counter Beth Rigby, who said the Reform have risen council taxes in their areas. She was right, and his reaction was tarded, he got caught. Amongst plummeting figures, he is panicking because if it is at this rate by May, Reform will be at 20% or less. You went from 36% to 20% in 10 months; you have suicided your own fucking party. I have never seen a party fuck itself so hard; this makes UKIP's decline look chill.
 
These numbers are NOTHING, "we need experts," well, apparently they are shit. All this was to counter Beth Rigby, who said the Reform have risen council taxes in their areas. She was right, and his reaction was tarded, he got caught. Amongst plummeting figures, he is panicking because if it is at this rate by May, Reform will be at 20% or less. You went from 36% to 20% in 10 months; you have suicided your own fucking party. I have never seen a party fuck itself so hard; this makes UKIP's decline look chill.
I'm not going to defend Reform but a lot of their problems aren't of their own making. If the accounts are fucked then they're fucked. They have to do something to raise money to fix things. If all the cash has gone on bent deals and dodgy building projects someone has to pay to fix the problems with money that isn't other wise there.

Reform have become a punching bag every where. I feel sorry for decent people who got sucked up into the hype. Stood as Reform and then the party imploded and now they're getting lumped with the bill. The only way for anything in this country to be turning a profit is if you hide the real numbers. Every council is fucked. The government is fucked. Everything is so fucked it's making bang bros look like The Wombles.
 
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Yep, what happened with Kent, especially and others, they did not realise that the money was mandated from the central government. They had no say over it. It was a really amateur mistake; Farage either knew about it or lied knowingly. At least Restore from the go, they have been moving forward in laws changing and how money is distributed.

As for me personally, the local councils I know of and a few people on the staff on account have said their councillors are deluded. The one guy whom I know by proxy through a guy who works for the conservatives. Said he is utterly useless. The one council near me has gone through 3 finance managers in a year.
 
Farage argued YouGov’s polling breached British Polling Council rules by not publishing the underlying national party preference data, which it adjusts to account for tactical voting

YouGov has now said it will include that data in future tables
So, if YouGov take a poll, they then massage the figures according to what they think you meant to say? What's the fucking point, then?

I suppose having them publish the way in which they massage the figures is technically an improvement over them doing it secretly, but could they fucking not?
 
As we are all Brits, I would posit that we all somehow have a Sports Direct mug, even if we have never even shopped there, if so please be careful carrying out your experiments, if you knock it over you're gonna flood your house.
Man, Sports Direct mugs are GOATed as a tea addict. I used one for about a decade until recently when I randomly found one bigger.
 
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