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I'm starting to become convinced that chronic SSRI use, autism and porn are destroying your average fujo's ability to recognize actual sexual chemistry, especially between actors.
It could also be behind a lot of women's weird fixation on thinking there is homoeroticism lurking in male social groups and friendships, just as an inherent thing. But specifically this push that there is no real innate differences between sexes you see pop up these days. I think it makes women believe that male behavior and motivations are always actually much more similar to their own and they have no real way to even halfway correctly conceive of the others' thoughts and feelings. AGP transbians do this a lot and it really says something about how crazy this all is, that they're the closest analogue. It's a very immature "girls/boys have cooties" type of thing they never grew out of.

Like, of course, they'll do the usual "boys are gross about sex" thing but anything else doesn't compute. They're just grown women going about the world seeing half the population as some completely opaque weird creature they're fascinated with but refuse to understand on any level so they just project what they think about. It's honestly kind of harrowing :stress:
 
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the mental journey my mind took me down seeing the phrase "jayviks running KF" almost broke me into a joker-style laughing fit. no prozac for me tonight, thank you!
 
the film shared the same issues with HR and OFMD in which its lead actors were awful at their jobs and managed to be even worse at pretending they didn't despise grinding against one another. And yet people, yet again, praised them for their performances even though it was like watching a hostage situation.
Not surprising considering the usual quality of fujo media. And plenty of fujos are sadistic and love seeing men be degraded. I imagine many would get off on the actors being uncomfortable with the gay for pay.
 
Not surprising considering the usual quality of fujo media. And plenty of fujos are sadistic and love seeing men be degraded. I imagine many would get off on the actors being uncomfortable with the gay for pay.
I spoke about this with a friend but the men in many fujo ships are literal rat men. Noah Schnapp (Will), Joey Batey (Jaskier), Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman, Whitaker (The Pitt) and Connor Storie (Ilya) all look like a step away from developing a goiter or turning into Mr. Frog.

Oh, and I figured this would have an excellent place here. Courtesy of Inside your Walls:
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That is thatyaoigrrl, a big time yaoi Tiktoker. Also loves "Mr. A's Farm" that has a chicken man push out eggs out his vagina (he also has a penis like a hermaphrodite fowl).
 
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They're already cucking Eleven the same way they do Mel with Jayvik. Fujos really are consistent with their misogyny across fandoms.
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They think Byler will be great representation despite Netflix already having queer shows. The lesbians like yaoi and wanting women to be cucked are male-centric, that's all. They say they're not attracted to males, yet center males, their love and their bodies in everything. We call them self-hating misogynists.
Redditors on r/Byler are having a meltdown and blaming straight white males because their yaoi ship on "Stranger Things" didn't become canon. Also, notice the one comment that had to bring up Dustin being visibly disabled and getting a girlfriend.

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Those who haunt around the SJW thread and the Pooner Zoo may be familiar with Francis Xie, a Chinese FTM who drew a lot of Call of Duty yaoi with bepussied males having PIV sex which we all know is the gayest thing of all time.

(For a refresher: examples of her art / examples of her sperging - both courtesy of @Chandelier)

Why do I bring her up? Well, back in October, Francis started making noises about how she didn't quite feel as much like a real boy anymore, slowly gravitating away from the yaoi that brought her fame and renown as she processed the trauma she had around womanhood and her father. (There's a cow crossover with Fanny Perret, who is also a degenerate detransitioner who specializes in misogynistic porn and has daddy issues, but her thread is not for the faint of heart.)
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Now on the cusp of the new year, Francis has made the full leap off the lilypad of poonery, not only detransitioning but now also refusing to draw any sort of homosexual content whatsoever - or even content in which a woman is dominant towards a man. So basically she's gone from "omg FTM4M all the way babey!! This is the real deal!! I love men on men!!" poonerbait to booktok dark romance hetslop (which she describes as "pretty traditional cishet dynamics," which is not that shocking from a self-hating Chinese woman). She's even implying that fans of her old content should probably go ahead and ditch her, because the track of this crazy train isn't deviating any time soon.
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And for those who don't know or care about this random fujoshi-turned-hettie betty, enjoy this article from PinkNews that acts like the embarrassing sex scenes from Heated Rivalry are somehow a civil rights win for gays and lesbians everywhere. I mean, good God, where would gay marriage be without two mutants putting the "ugly" in bumping uglies?
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Sex Sells: How NSFW gay hockey show Heated Rivalry became the Internet’s Obsession​

Heated Rivalry is a reminder that sex scenes are key to some stories.
Heated Rivalry blew up with its steamy sex scenes becoming a talking point, but the show proves that there’s much more to its queer, physical dialogue.

“Sex sells.” That’s the unofficial slogan of Heated Rivalry and the phrase engraved with ink on the legs of the show’s stars. Hudson Williams and Connor Storrie’s matching tattoos couldn’t be more apt for their Crave show that has erupted, thanks to a feverish fandom online that has mounted along with every episode. But what has really led the charge, and got everyone talking, are the show’s sex scenes.

With numerous hot and heavy sex scenes per episode, Heated Rivalry certainly isn’t shy about exploring the sexuality of closeted ice hockey players. But the show arrives at a time when sex scenes are embroiled in a continued discourse about their necessity.

Thanks to the show’s unabashed sex scenes, Heated Rivals has resuscitated the debate around depictions of queer sex. To some degree, these conversations feel cyclical. Time and time again, we return to the discussion of how sex appears on our screens. In 2023, the UCLA Center for Scholars and Storytellers reported that Gen Z’s young adults “want to see less romance and sex on screen”. Such an outlook implies sex scenes are unproductive to the narrative, pointless and gratuitous in their inclusion.

In Heated Rivalry, sex is a dialogue​


Simultaneously, GLAAD’s 2025 ‘Where We Are on TV’ report outlines that queer characters are disappearing from TV. The report details that while there’s a slight increase in LGBTQ+ characters on our screens, 41% of those characters will not be returning due to show cancellations and endings. When laid out quantitatively, the data is worrying. Heated Rivalry arrives at an intersection, a queer drama proudly showcasing gay sex as part of its storytelling. Reports say one thing, but as hype continues to build and the show scores a second season, Heated Rivalry seems to be the breakthrough of this year.

Written and directed by Letterkenny’s Jacob Tierney, who also co-wrote Xavier Dolan’s The Death & Life of John F. Donovan, Heated Rivalry draws from Rachel Reid’s Game Changers book series, charting endearing Canadian hockey rookie Shane Hollander (an understated Williams) and his Major League Hockey archrival, brooding Russian prodigy Ilya Rozanov (an alluring Storrie), as competitive ambition morphs into a heated situationship spanning their professional careers.

Between Olympic gold medal battles and Stanley Cup campaigns, Shane and Ilya fall into a clandestine enemies-with-benefits relationship where hotel rooms become secret sanctuaries for sexual indulgence that would shatter their careers if anyone found out. This secret ties them together before their naked bodies even touch. However, once they do, it’s an endless spiral of lust and soft sub-dom dynamics for the inexperienced Shane (the socks stay on!) and cocksure Ilya. Their ‘no strings attached’ flings mean nothing when they’re facing off on the ice. Until it does.

Sex scenes give way to something else​


In Heated Rivalry, sex is a dialogue. The communication of the fastidious Canadian and the bisexual with an ice-cool exterior begins entirely through sexual desire. Tierney neatly frames handsome faces and chiselled bodies as the pair explore each other physically. Their toned silhouettes make them formidable in the rink, but also bring each other pleasure in the bedroom. What begins as transactional sex, a thrilling extraction of pleasure from sleeping with their greatest rival, develops into a mutual vocabulary of erotic understanding. Ilya and Shane are both high-performance athletes, taking turns to lift trophies and be crowned MVPs, but they still have desire raging through them that hockey cannot placate; it’s a craving for something they don’t have, can’t have: each other. Tierney isolates sex as the easiest, least (emotionally) painful manner in which they can experience such intimacy.

From the outset, the show makes it no secret that the titillating scenes are integral to the plot. However, they are not gratuitous and there are no prosthetic penises. Instead, clever camerawork reveals just enough skin to imply the act while the camera tracks their reactions. Their foreplay is in face-offs on the ice, and props to the editors, Véronique Barbe and Arthur Tarnowski, who slice between hockey players battling up against the boards to intense sex scenes like it’s an art. This is what sets Tierney’s show apart: it’s smut, but it’s stylish, evocative, and interestingly shot, as moments slowly build from indulgence to romance.

Sex scenes are not a reason fans turn off​


As the episodes tick by, sex scenes give way to something else, something entirely more dangerous than physical attraction: yearning. Longing between the two men has always been bubbling under the surface yet it seems bizarre to call Heated Rivalry a slow burn when its protagonists are having sex barely halfway into the first episode. But the term fits. Their relationship is laden with repressed desire that slowly blooms in dimly lit hotel rooms but is laid bare when they meet in Ilya’s home, in broad daylight, surrounded by floor-to-ceiling windows. Suddenly things between them look all too domestic as they have sex on Ilya’s sofa after sleeping together in his bed.

It is thanks to the sex scenes, alongside the chemistry built between Williams and Storrie, that their intimacy becomes devastating as the physical becomes unavoidably emotional. Sex was once the way they’d communicate back and forth, but when they’re left actually to converse with words, everything slows down and Tierney’s show reaches its euphoric climax.

Add this all together and Heated Rivalry is a case study that points out sex scenes are not a reason fans turn off. The show’s rising popularity may seem explosive, but still it’s far from the only explicit queer representation on screen – just recently there’s Interview With the Vampire, Fellow Travelers and the recent BDSM film Pillion. Heated Rivalry is not totally groundbreaking nor is the show particularly revolutionary in its framing of gay sex, but its unabashed attitude towards the inclusion of sex as intimacy and dialogue is standout in today’s landscape of sanitised TV.

Heated Rivalry is streaming now on Crave in Canada and HBO in the US. The show has a UK release on Sky and streaming service NOW from 10 January.
 
I spoke about this with a friend but the men in many fujo ships are literal rat men. Noah Schnapp (Will), Joey Batey (Jaskier), Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman, Whitaker (The Pitt) and Connor Storie (Ilya) all look like a step away from developing a goiter or turning into Mr. Frog.
Is there a phenotype fujos latch onto to claim someone is gay even when they're not actually gay? Is it just a broken gaydar?
 
Man, fuck the person trying to convince her that she's still trans. "Nobody that thinks about their gender a lot is actually cisgender" is a thought terminating cliché. Self exploration is supposedly encouraged in trans spaces, but apparently there's a hard brake on where that self exploration can lead. Anyway I hope she's doing better and is as far away from her degenerate father as possible.
 
Tragic that she (Francis Xie) went through all that. Not surprising tho. There is no such thing as a mentally well fujoshi & I bet a lot of the big names are some sort of traumatized. Also, I hope she gets the therapy she needs and just drops the art altogther. Most of her art is/was already stereotypical, misogynistic straight porn just with the veil of trannyism (which clearly wasn't even applied 80% of the time). I'm no scientist but Twitter is clearly not good for any of them & just allows these women to create vile echochambers that prevent them from actually experiencing a life worth living. I'm trying not to moral brow-beat, but I genuinely find it very hard to believe that they don't see the inherit misogyny and male-obsession of their acts/words/works. The levels of self-hatred present here is crazy. Being female isn't that bad!
- Estrogen has great medical benefits: https://estrogen.org/
- Women are being recognized as being more and more present, even in ancient history: https://udspace.udel.edu/items/9a4c545e-4421-46e7-b584-1c364276824a
- There are a lot of videos & online sources that give you tips on self-defense, you can buy and learn how to use a gun, and therapy is available online in so many ways now!

Yes, the world is not always safe for women. Men commit most violent crimes, misogyny is aleays there, and we can't change the trauma of the past. But that doesn't mean you hate (or, more aptly, fear) all men or, worse, hate yourself for being a woman.

Not to sound like an old church lady, but more people need to go outside & get involved in their community in meaningful ways. Volunteer at a soup kitchen, take on big brother/sister roles, go on a hike with a group of irl friends (phones on only for emergencies), or just hit the gym and get stronger in your natal body. Reflect a little, be less black and white in how they view everything. You don't need to be stronger, smarter, or better than a man (or woman) to be ok with yourself. Everyone has insecurities & flaws, most men don't want to kill/rape/harm you, female friendships are NOT inferior to male ones, their just different, and being a slave to Twitter/fandom/faggotry is a waste of a life that could have meaning. So many of the women are young, a lot just vtouching their twenties. It's near blackpilling to see them ruin their sexuality, bodies, and mental in such little time.

I just don't get how and why it's so all-consuming. Why do they hate female characters so much that they erase/humiliate/harass them + anyone who likes them? Why do they actively support a website that actively hosts rape/pedophilic/beastiality content run by a porn-brained zionist? How do they not experience huge discomfort or even acknowledge how they project their female-adjacent role onto their chosen bottoms? Do they actually believe any of this is truly male?

In reality, the answer is simple: it's all a combo of female socialization, autism, unresolved mental illness, and progshit flavored misogyny + hypocrisy. It would be sad, if it wasn't so ... lame.

Why are all their yaoi faves so ugly? Most these actual men look like unkempt rats given life by a trolling witch who wanted to see how they'd fair in normal human society. Viktor's a sickly knockoff of his superior pre-Arcane LOL variant, most of these anime ukes look like ugly children, and Leon is just a white dude with justin beiber hair dyed blond (& he's one of the better choices). Don't get me started on the Tumblr SexyMan trope. You'd think that if you're going to fetishize any dude you'd go for a hot one rather than something bottom barrel.

Is this a reflection of their own poor standards/self-esteem, projection, or is this what is considered attractive to women nowadays? What happened to the buff, hairy, hearthrobs of yesteryears or the stately, athletic, long haired beauties? Artwise, too. If you're going to be a porn addict then at least go for stuff worth consuming. It's all so lazy & unattractive so no wonder it needs to be extreme.
 
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Viktor's a sickly knockoff of his superior pre-Arcane LOL variant, most of these anime ukes look like ugly children, and Leon is just a white dude with justin beiber hair dyed blond (& he's one of the better choices). Don't get me started on the Tumblr SexyMan trope. You'd think that if you're going to fetishize any dude you'd go for a hot one rather than something bottom barrel.
Considering I post frequently about this huge fandom and how it is the current It Thing,
Viktor became attractive to pooners because he was disabled and many of them are disabled themselves. When they had their one year anniversary, they got some fans on to talk about what characters spoke to them and one of them was a frog-voiced pooner. One year ago, Galaxolotl noted how there was a sizable portion of the fanbase that draws him with zippertit scars and a vagina. He has nearly 4k trans fics on Ao3, making it the single largest niche for any character in any fandom. Even the MHA fandom - which is over 300k fics - does not have this many. The origins of him being a pooner came from his designer, Evening Montiero, saying he liked the trans Viktor headcanon, and combined with pooners and fujos who love a man who evokes maternal feelings inside them, led to this explosion. It was quiet pre S2 and S2 saw it skyrocket. It is actually very hard as a fan to find good fanart - something I've complained about for a while. If you ever wonder when you look at a few pieces of fanart and go, 'hey, that looks like a woman's body' - it is. They use female models, not trans ones. Says a lot.

On the other side, Vi, the butch lesbian, has hips, thighs and an ass yet she is drawn as a man (I do have pictures, but they are on my tablet; I'll post those in a bit) with a man's body. They don't even TRY to draw her as a muscular woman, despite references existing.
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(The artist isn't that bad, but you get the drift. That's trans tape.)

Here are better examples.
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Owning the TERFs:
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And this is the model they use to suggest a terminally ill man has a vagina:
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Leon has been a prized bishie boy since he came out; I remember he was big on DeviantArt when the original RE4 was a thing. He wasn't really shipped with any men, but there were some fujos putting him with Krauser. He has some pooner fanfics too but he's still too 'manly' even as a bishie while Viktor is seen as 'innately feminine' because he's too skinny.

The ironic thing is NONE of them have headcanoned Alfred Ashford as trans despite him being called a 'crossdressing freak' by Claire in Code Veronica. He has DID and legitimately believes he is his sister, which many, many troons would consider an uncracked egg, yet no FTMs or MTFs have latched onto him yet.
Why do they actively support a website that actively hosts rape/pedophilic/beastiality content run by a porn-brained zionist? How do they not experience huge discomfort or even acknowledge how they project their female-adjacent role onto their chosen bottoms? Do they actually believe any of this is truly male?
It's something I've noticed with omegaverse, but figured I'd post it here as well: these are the same people telling you gender roles are backwards and need to be abolished, yet will write omegas having pink skin, child-birthing hips, ceremonies where they are literally Aryan Women in Wheat Fields, take classes to teach them how to 'walk femininely', are demure, silent, and told their only purpose in life is to bear pups. The alpha males are exactly like those you see on those MRA channels on YouTube: big, beefy, MUSCULAR MANLY MEN who have Michael Bay films blasting in the background with genitalia coming down to their knees. They are routinely described as dogs, mark their territory like dogs, and are allowed the full rights and privileges of society. This is all written by people who call Matt Walsh a bigot despite writing the shit Matt Walsh espouses. I call them Matt Walsh fujos because it really is a roundabout version of conservatism that is horrifically backwards to the point it makes the Taliban look like a theme park. It's a 1950s housewife society where the omega, always the smaller, more 'feminine' male who is given a vagina is expected to take the submissive role because that is what their biology dictates. Or, as pedophile enabler MGCraig put it:
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The only time these progshit pooners and fujos accept biology is when it comes to their omegaverse. Then, all that shit about one sect of humanity being born and made 'lesser', and being too dainty and weak-brained for science becomes acceptable and not seen as the disgustingly misogynistic shit it is. It's the worst forms of it but applied to the 'woman-lite'; the stand-in that is not a woman yet is clearly coded as such. As the troon Andrea Long Chu put it: 'to be female is to be fucked', and that is exactly what omegas are designed for. Doesn't matter the fandom. It can be Arcane or it can be House of the Dragon, the latter of which has way more ABO fics than the former, surprisingly. The omega is usually sold as a broodmare to the alpha who can do whatever the fuck they want because male privilege is fine when you are Born That Way and all art is political Except My Yaoi.

As to why they do it...they argue, seriously, that if a woman is not in the picture they are not threatened by male violence, so it is better when it is done to the 'woman-lite'. Removing women clearly does not remove misogyny, as their little omegaverse is the worst kind of 'hetslop' misogyny there is. On YouTube you can find reviews of mainstream published books like 'Quicksilver' that has a line about 'spaying' the alpha's mate, yet I can give you multiple examples of shit I just read and posted in the fanfiction horrors thread where they do just that and brag about how they are better than BookTok trash. It's that fucking common. If it's 'escapism', I would be hard fucking pressed asking what the hell do they think they are escaping from.

Pic related: your alpha CEO.
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As to why they do it...they argue, seriously, that if a woman is not in the picture they are not threatened by male violence, so it is better when it is done to the 'woman-lite'.
I love the subtle implication that if it happens to a male, the violence is actually acceptable.
Removing women clearly does not remove misogyny, as their little omegaverse is the worst kind of 'hetslop' misogyny there is.
Its like the whole stepford (or bimbo to a degree) fetish without the transformation aspects.
Do fujos ever have any Idea of what their omegverse stuff looks like from the outside? I remember stumbling across it some years ago (trashy romance for a male audience is only about .02% of everything on ao3 so you really have to look) being both baffled and disgusted. I would be extremely amused to see peoples reactions to some of the RPF stuff specifically.
 
I love the subtle implication that if it happens to a male, the violence is actually acceptable.

Its like the whole stepford (or bimbo to a degree) fetish without the transformation aspects.
Do fujos ever have any Idea of what their omegverse stuff looks like from the outside? I remember stumbling across it some years ago (trashy romance for a male audience is only about .02% of everything on ao3 so you really have to look) being both baffled and disgusted. I would be extremely amused to see peoples reactions to some of the RPF stuff specifically.

My reaction to finding out what omegaverse was after a more than decade long break from fandom (I've left again since, al, that hardcore porn slop honestly made me feel disgusted with my favourite characters) was the same as yours. Thinking that this could only be a niche thing hidden away in the depths of tumblr (oh, how naive I was), I went looking for posts laying out just how wrong that shit was then led me to discover that nope, the fujos and omegaverse degenerates actually argue that they're doing some deep thinking and analysing of gender roles and society, and that if you dare to criticise it you're a bigot and several kinds of -ist.

Seriously, seeing the gross stuff that's being churned out on AO3, especially during kinktober, and that has been filtering into RL publishing in the last year, made he take a very hard stance against the "live and let live" attitude that the founders and proponents of AO3 are spouting. We desperately need to bring back kink-shaming because this shit has been progressively getting worse. Before I left that hell hole for good, it was pissing that was getting super popular. Because of course it was. And we know that so many impressionable young girl think everything depicted in the fanfics they read is something they should also accept in RL, it's only a question of time before pissing is the next choking. Seeing how many NSFW pooner accounts on X are already proclaiming to have a piss kink, we're almost there already.

We really need to go back to making fun of shipping.
 
Seriously, seeing the gross stuff that's being churned out on AO3, especially during kinktober, and that has been filtering into RL publishing in the last year, made he take a very hard stance against the "live and let live" attitude that the founders and proponents of AO3 are spouting. We desperately need to bring back kink-shaming because this shit has been progressively getting worse. Before I left that hell hole for good, it was pissing that was getting super popular. Because of course it was. And we know that so many impressionable young girl think everything depicted in the fanfics they read is something they should also accept in RL, it's only a question of time before pissing is the next choking. Seeing how many NSFW pooner accounts on X are already proclaiming to have a piss kink, we're almost there already.

We really need to go back to making fun of shipping.
I have noticed a some what hit tweet (kinda wish I saved it) where people are starting to get annoyed with shipping because its almost always gay shipping that people in fandoms care about.

One thing that really annoys me about gay shipping (not just with yaoi) is that they use the argument that a character was battling "comphet" where they argue that just because a character showed signs of liking the opposite sex doesn't mean that they're not gay because said character could just be forced to liking the opposite sex. Sure, this could be argued in real life, but fujos and gay shippers in general have basically used this argument as an excuse to make their obvious straight boys into being gay. Like "Oh that guy had sex with hundreds of women? He could still be gay and not realize it yet because he's battling comphet". Either that or they say "The character could still be bi". Its funny though because the "They could be bi" excuse is only used if the character is straight. If you dare use the same argument for a homosexual character though, the exact same people would cancel you.
 
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Do fujos ever have any Idea of what their omegverse stuff looks like from the outside? I remember stumbling across it some years ago (trashy romance for a male audience is only about .02% of everything on ao3 so you really have to look) being both baffled and disgusted. I would be extremely amused to see peoples reactions to some of the RPF stuff specifically.
The show runner of 'Heated Rivalry''s comments on how the solution to women's issues is to remove women entirely is being met with backlash, because the shit fujos have been saying for years is now being broadcasted openly outside of their echo chambers. They are now trying to say people have "poor literacy" for misunderstanding what was so plainly said.
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A Canadian user voicing her support for Amber Heard wants a "good faith" debate about removing women from media in exchange for centering male sexuality.
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"They're just policing women's interests"
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"It's just something truthful because women love this genre" by that logic they want to fuck minotaurs like that one book, but we're not using that argument, are we?
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"The women in the show are genuinely well-written"
"Name one"
Quelle surprise, there is no response.
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"Why I, a woman, and my sister also enjoy it"

The "woman" in question:
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Fujos all have a phenotype and they legit look like haggard bums or troons. Predictably, this "dyke" doesn't talk about women at all. It's not "zoomer sex aversion" it's them wondering, rightly, why lesbian stories aren't featured but pale gay males are.
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"Nobody has any reading comprehension " as they try to downplay what he said.
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LiminialLumaryThings.
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We then get this debate:
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"They're completely removed from the equation" - that's exactly what the showrunner said, and you don't like the backlash to it. The last part also insinuates that women want to fantasize about being gay men.
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"It's not activism, it's a woman's fantasy" - Correct. Now answer why removing all women from media is the solution when you can just write better men.
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"It's not internalized misogyny" - Now let's look at that profile. OWO what's this?
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Its a woman's fantasy to see a Hapa and a frogman moan together.
Other responses calling out the OP:
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The million dollar question:
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Well no, it was about removing women from the equation, but good question anyways.
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The fact individuals like Francis Xie can admit they do this because of sexual trauma only to view male bodies as whole and pure is something. Not all of them suffered abuse, but there's enough of a trend to make one wonder.
 
I'm gonna be real with you that I really don't understand how not writing female characters conceptualizing sex helps women become more comfortable with depictions of sex, whether in fiction or real life. Is it because it keeps them from having "high expectations" or what?
 
So happy it’s not canon! I’m really enjoying the meltdown on social media, brings me back to the good ol’klance days. Fujos deserve their ships to be sunk and their creepy and toxic behavior towards child actors unrewarded.
 
they do this because of sexual trauma only to view male bodies as whole and pure is something
The thing that gets me about this is that so many of them then write these ships as being very toxic, abusive, and some of the sex is violent (either because they're writing straight dark/noncon stuff or because it's weird BDSM shit).

It's not just that they dislike womanhood but they also don't seem to see violence and degradation against men as something that counts. Or that there is some more tragic but yet romantic aspect to it when it does that makes it more palatable than for these same dynamics and stories to be written with women involved.
 
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