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my brother in Christ. they're demons from Hell. you literally cannot get any more irredeemable than that.
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sixuglymidgets
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If I did a series about redemption not only would I focus on the story and not toxic ships but I’d set it in limbo where this is the very last chance.
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You know I think a lot of people get confused with sympathetic villains and villains who get redeemed. While the two categories do coexist with each other a lot, they don't automatically mean the same thing. You can have a villain be redeemed that isn't sympathetic, and you can have a villain be sympathetic that isn't redeemed.
I want to add the same uploader of that video made two informative videos about how the cursing in Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss is poorly done 3 months ago.
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Did you not enjoy having you EXpeCTatIonS sUBverTeD?
Look, I get that from a theological standpoint outside looking in, Blitzo and company should act like the absolute worst of the worst. But I'm saying that from the type of story Viv was setting out to tell with HB at the start and the type of tone she wanted to set, the characters being absolutely fucked up sadists probably wouldn't work. Now if you think that means Viv was ultimately trying to tell a bad or poorly thought out story, okay.
I mean, it's been done before - shows like Breaking Bad, The Sopranos, Black Lagoon, what have you, are full of villain protagonist characters that are objectively bad people who do horrible things, and the shows make no attempt to deny that, but you as the audience are still engaged because the characters have interesting personalities, sympathetic backstories, fun dynamics with the other characters, or even have some admirable personal traits. You can have a story about a villainous character that's compelling and makes you empathize and understand them while not saying they did absolutely nothing wrong.
man_made_of_meat
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I hereby thank you very much for having posted this in here, so that I know I will have to skip it as fast as the speed of light once it manifests itself on my tv.
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It's not a real song from the season. That guy on YouTube just posts AI slop music.
man_made_of_meat
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Thank you for pointing it out, my phone was THIS close to flying out of the window, lmao
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Yes, that's exactly what it means. Again, she has a complete and utter inability to pick a lane and stick to it.
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I'm sure it's been brought up in this thread before, but a book I'd highly recommend is The Great Divorce by CS Lewis, which is a decidedly much less comedic take on the idea.
Basic premise is a bunch of souls have left Hell and are in Heaven, and the story explores these different characters as the Spirits of Heaven try to convince them to change their ways, surrender to Grace and stay in Heaven.
There's about a billion lines I love, but one I always remember when I see something that is absolute status quo parading itself as if it is edgy and counter cultural (*Cough* HH *Unconvincing Cough*)
“Friend, I am not suggesting at all. You see, I know now. Let us be frank. Our opinions were not honestly come by. We simply found ourselves in contact with a certain current of ideas and plunged into it because it seemed modern and successful. At College, you know, we just started automatically writing the kind of essays that got good marks and saying the kind of things that won applause."
Here's a link to an audio version of it if you have a couple hours to kill.
Basic premise is a bunch of souls have left Hell and are in Heaven, and the story explores these different characters as the Spirits of Heaven try to convince them to change their ways, surrender to Grace and stay in Heaven.
There's about a billion lines I love, but one I always remember when I see something that is absolute status quo parading itself as if it is edgy and counter cultural (*Cough* HH *Unconvincing Cough*)
“Friend, I am not suggesting at all. You see, I know now. Let us be frank. Our opinions were not honestly come by. We simply found ourselves in contact with a certain current of ideas and plunged into it because it seemed modern and successful. At College, you know, we just started automatically writing the kind of essays that got good marks and saying the kind of things that won applause."
Here's a link to an audio version of it if you have a couple hours to kill.
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One of my favorite sympathetic villains is Prince Nuada from Hellboy 2. You can understand his anger because humanity's consumerism has ravished the planet, yet he plans to commit genocide since he sees that as the only way to save his kind and kills his own father to reach that goal.
You won't find that nuisance in Vox or whatever Hellaverse villain is suppose to be a major threat.
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Gondolindrim
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These days I'm more lovey dovey with villains who are just assholes and get off on that. I feel like when everyone is redeemable, the word "antagonist" stops meaning anything.
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Related. A personal favorite of mine is The Screwtape Letters by C.S. Lewis, which has probably also been brought up before. A series of letters presented as being written from Hell middle manager bureaucrat Screwtape to his nephew Wormwood, offering him advice on how to tempt a mortal towards sin and damnation. It's also a favorite of the pastoral assistant at my church. If you want to see demons actually acting like demons instead of pansexual softboys and theater kids, give it a read. Or listen to the great, but I believe unfortunately abridged, audiobook by John Cleese.
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Also a great book. Honestly, I'd just recommend pretty much everything Lewis ever wrote.
Screwtape inadvertently makes the concept of The Dark Night of the Soul sound like the most badass thing ever.
"Do not be deceived, Wormwood. Our cause is never more in danger than when a human, no longer desiring, but still intending, to do [God's] will, looks round upon a universe from which every trace of Him seems to have vanished, and asks why he has been forsaken, and still obeys.”
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Me, looking at 2025: Eh, she looks like me kinda. Pudgy but whatever.
Me, looking at 2015: DEAR GOD WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED??!
Beggamania
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A bit random(late at night KF moment), but I just hate how some portion of the fandom can't cope with the fact that show decided to at least somewhat punish this idiot.
"BUT WHAT, HE SHOULD'VERT A PERSON DIEEE??7? BLIT WOULD BE DEAD!1!" - well, good for him. But Octavia is objectively right - where it mattered, Stolas chose Blitz instead of her. Is it unfair position to be in? Yeah, but life's unfair too. You can't expect a 16 year old be suddenly alright with her father choosing and willing to sacrifice himself for a homewrecker(in her eyes, I believe it's who Blitz is), and just be alright with this. Hope Season 2 will bring some more reality checks to Stolas(cope dies last xd)
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He also did it in like the worst way possible; singing a fucking song about how he's the mastermind of...honestly I still don't know what exactly. If he actually used his head and told the fucking truth, he probably wouldn't have lost his position, and instead have gotten Andrealphus and Stella exiled. Because if the justice system was corrupt as it was stated, they probably would have listened and believed in the person who was in the highest position here...which was Stolas. Yeah, the show likes to forget that Stolas outranks Andrealphus when it's convenient to the plot.
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I've rewatched el super beasto for October and it really feels like it's what the helluva hotel series should have been. I remember people still giving rob flack as back as the halloween remakes, but I can forgive those and everything else in his filmography if only cause unlike ms. Mango sticky rice, rob sticks to his guns and makes material that's actually "edgy." It tries to shock at every turn and doesn't give you anyone to feel sympathy for. The fireflies, the lords of Salem, even the aforementioned super beasto. They know they're terrible people....and they don't care. They make the most of what they are and embrace it.
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Ironically the issue with Rob's Halloween remakes is how much he wanted to make Michael a sympathetic character (really Rob should've either made his own killer or did Friday the 13th/Texas Chainsaw Massacre since those feel more suitable to his style than suburban horror) and how blatant he wanted to portray his wife as the greatest woman to ever grace the Earth (not that it's bad to have your spouse in a project, but it feels so hamfisted with Rob)
The most in-universe justification I can say ignoring Viv's writing in wanting to make an impactful moment (since a lot of the problems with Viv's writing style is that she clearly has certain moments or songs planned out but the surrounding context is not properly built up.)
Stolas feels like he'd willingly throw his life on the line on purpose given he's in a loveless arranged marriage, the guy he's in love with feels mistreated by him, and his reputation is already ruined. It doesn't help he is on ineffective antidepressants, This is not Viv's intent, but the only way Stolas' actions make any coherent sense is that he is suicidal especially with how willing he seemed to get executed on Blitzo's behalf rather than stand up for himself.
Of course given the tendency to whitewash Stolas' actions, this is going to be framed as a selfless act of love than an act of self destruction.
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Is it true that Adam and Lute apparently have a duet in the new season?