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Weren't most of the Northerners poors and were drafted anyways?
Roughly 2% were draftees, most of the Union army were volunteers.

From the perspective of African Americans and Confederates the US Civil War was about abolition from its beginning.

Most of the video is just friendly conversations with black reenacters.
That doesn't make the American Civil War a slave revolt though. It just feels like Atun-Shei is trying to remain to his shtick even if a lot of the things he says are complete nonsense.
 
Atun-Shei is genuinely more obsessed with the Confederacy than even the most diehard 'South Will Rise Again' types.
Probably why I loathe him so much aside from being a homosexual theater kid. Probably the kid of person who believes in infinite positive freedom while disregarding negative Freedom
 
The vast majority of the Union soldiery were white last time I checked. Guess their sacrifice in the abolishment of slavery and the preservation of the union ain't shit.
If the rank and file of the Union army were told they were fighting to free blacks the Union would not have been able to field an army.
Weren't most of the Northerners poors and were drafted anyways?
Only about 5% were drafted, but that's in large part because somewhere between 1 in 5 to 1 in 4 of Union soldiers were Irish and German immigrants.
From the perspective of African Americans and Confederates the US Civil War was about abolition from its beginning.
The perspective of the Confederates was that the war was about independence from an aggressive power. You can litigate the reasons for secession - and slavery and fears of abolitionism were absolutely a significant reason - but given the initial half of the CSA coexisted with the US for half a year, the war was obviously separate and not inevitable, especially as the other half of the CSA only seceded following Proclamation 80.
 
If the rank and file of the Union army were told they were fighting to free blacks the Union would not have been able to field an army.
The Union was very much opposed to slavery, regardless of if they were anti-slavery or abolitionist. The main group that was quite opposed to abolitionism as a whole in the Union were the Irish. While the sentiment of the soldiery was apathetic to slavery in general, as the war progressed and the cruelty of slavery became apparent the sentiment shifted to abolitionism.
 
The main group that was quite opposed to abolitionism as a whole in the Union were the Irish.
I read it was the germans.
Edit disregard that i suck cocks I misread what you wrote The Germans were the most ardent abolitionists in the US so much so it could be argued that the flood of swarthoid germans from the revolutions of '48 were the main factor in escalating North South tensions pre civil war.
 
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The Union was very much opposed to slavery, regardless of if they were anti-slavery or abolitionist.
The last states to abolish slavery were in the Union. There was a dedicated abolitionist lobby in the Union, but it was not an issue most people cared strongly about and political moderates - including Lincoln - were more than happy to compromise on everything from enforcing emancipation to abolitionism itself if it helped the war effort.
 
Lincoln legally speaking couldn't ban slavery in already existing states. Which is why the Emancipation Proclamation was for slaves in the Confederacy since in the eyes of the government, rebelling states were essentially fair game.
The point was not of legality, but of priority; the war was not waged as some moral crusade against slavery, and only became one in recent historiography. Congress did not take the opportunity to force through an anti-slavery amendment or legislation even after the strongest opponents to it left in 1860, as most of the northern politicians were more interested in territorial integrity, so much so that even as late the Hampton Roads Conference compromising on slavery was still being floated. Mollifying the many slave states that remained in the Union was important enough that on multiple occasions Lincoln would countermand the orders of generals who took it on themselves to free slaves in border states, to the point where he even sacked John C. Fremont, while the Emancipation Proclamation was issued only about halfway into the war for as a political stunt.

Saying Union soldiers contributed to the abolition of slavery is all well and good, they objectively did. That doesn't change that the overwhelming majority of them were not interested in going to war specifically for that, and that they didn't need to fight and die in a fratricidal war to end slavery when even Brazil could peacefully enact abolitionism.
 
when even Brazil could peacefully enact abolitionism.
This ignores the fact that the abolition of slavery in Brazil was a very top-down initiative passed by Dom Pedro II and his daughter Princess Isabel. The leading figures in the coup against the monarchy were all either former slave owners or aligned with the slave lobby in Brazil and the abolition was the final thing to push them over the edge in overthrowing the monarchy.

The only reason Brazil didn't collapse into civil war in the 1890s because of this coup was because despite his massive popularity with a majority of the nation, Dom Pedro refused to resist the coup and saw spilling blood of his fellow Brazilians over it as the worst possible result. Also he was fairly dejected and tired of ruling anyways and believed the monarchy would die with him due to the fact he lost every son he had.
 
The leading figures in the coup against the monarchy were all either former slave owners or aligned with the slave lobby in Brazil
Foncesca, Barbosa and Peixoto were all outspoken supporters of abolition, and the slaveowners were belittled as 'Republicans of May 13' because they only jumped ship last minute following abolition without any recompense. Them abandoning the monarchy was crucial to its peaceful abolition but the main push had come from progressives in the military who probably would have still tried to force Isabella into exile once Pedro died even if the monarchy hadn't alienated its strongest base of support.
 
The Anime Business - Andy Frain and the story of Manga Video by AnimEgo

In 90s Britain, Manga Video ruled the video shelves and the hearts of budding teenaged fans (even though the existing otaku hated them).

Featuring the time Alain Levy paid Chris Blackwell £12M to stop showing him Legends of the Overfiend and other stories.

Yes I know oral histories aren't real history but it's better than arguing about the Cause of the North.
 
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For the alt-history enjoyers in this thread - what are some of your favorite alt-history ideas? Doesn't have to be one that's ultra-obscure or but should be decently grounded in actual history (e.g. no Congo Lake somehow existing and resulting in IRL Wakanda). What are some of the best executions of those ideas you seen/read/played?
 
Foncesca, Barbosa and Peixoto were all outspoken supporters of abolition, and the slaveowners were belittled as 'Republicans of May 13' because they only jumped ship last minute following abolition without any recompense. Them abandoning the monarchy was crucial to its peaceful abolition but the main push had come from progressives in the military who probably would have still tried to force Isabella into exile once Pedro died even if the monarchy hadn't alienated its strongest base of support.
Pedro II was never a particularly good monarch either. He ranks pretty low in my estimates of 19th century monarchs, including Franz Josef I once you look at his actual track record. Amazing how many monarchies entered a freefall collapse because they ended up headed by doddering old men in the 19th century.
For the alt-history enjoyers in this thread - what are some of your favorite alt-history ideas? Doesn't have to be one that's ultra-obscure or but should be decently grounded in actual history (e.g. no Congo Lake somehow existing and resulting in IRL Wakanda). What are some of the best executions of those ideas you seen/read/played?
Africa never being colonized just to see how the End of History types try to resolve their worldview with even more intense tribal warfare and conflict. Also because it would be interesting to see what states would have formed in Africa with minimal European influence and what the regional powers would be.

Ethiopia probably in East Africa, the Kingdom of the Kongo in Central Africa, Boers would probably reign in the South, but everywhere else? Coin toss.
 
For the alt-history enjoyers in this thread - what are some of your favorite alt-history ideas? Doesn't have to be one that's ultra-obscure or but should be decently grounded in actual history (e.g. no Congo Lake somehow existing and resulting in IRL Wakanda). What are some of the best executions of those ideas you seen/read/played?
Not super big into alt-history, but Cold War-gone-hot would be my favorite counterfactual scenario. A conventional conflict in the '80s is probably the most common scenario, the most fun, and the most "fair." Though I'd also say it's the most unlikely politically; most media tends to be really reaching for a reason for it to happen, or just ignores the question entirely.
 
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