Dragon Age: The Veilguard - A woke disaster? Yep!

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Are u woke enough for this game?

  • Hell yeah, I want play it with my wife's son

    Votes: 170 9.4%

  • Nope, I need to suck more girlcock first

    Votes: 393 21.8%

  • Yasss, I identify as an autistic dwarf of color

    Votes: 377 20.9%

  • Nah, I rather play Fallout76

    Votes: 862 47.8%
  • Total voters
    1,803
Looks like Steam is ashamed to show the numbers now.
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Ishtar said:
Also should be noted that veneration of female divinities didn't change this reality. So sure Andraste could have led the struggle against the Tevinter Imperium, but that doesn't mean andrastians would accept biological extinction just because.

(Even women dominating the clergy as they do in DA is iffy-if they can't marry or have kids-that's also a big problem.)*

All societies, from families to nations at a subconscious level want to survive and propagate, and while countless factors influence that-survival will override other considerations, even including what a religion might(in theory) allow.

DA is markedly anti realist because in a renaissance era culture-women being in the sort of professions they are in means they either die young, or they never have childen. Which just isn't sustainable.

*This could be another aspect where DA is not realistic-third and second born daughters given to the chantry sure, a very important role for women, and even men being excluded from certain roles, due to Maferath and Andrastian theology? Sure-but letting healthy young women often from educated families take on full vows that's a death sentence.
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If Bioware/DA wasn't a coward they could have devoted an entire companion quest to precisely this question. (Easy win: noble heiress playing adventurer, shacks up with you, now you gotta decide to support her current path or send her back to actually continue her family line). It'd been very thought provoking.
 
Hooked on phobics said:
This is true, females being warriors is already fantasy and unrealistic, women typically aren't fighters. Especially not in big planned wars. The men typically get sent, just because of population logistics

This is why people got so pissed over the idea of female space marines in 40k especially, in the universe space marines often die in DROVES in the process of BECOMING a space marine, so its simple breeding logistics, would you want to throw a woman at a space marine program for her to PROBABLY die, OR, have her birth a dozen children so 3 of them could be space marines? Pretty fucking simple choice.

But yeah, if you accept tons of frontline female soldiers, THEN complaining about boob armor for "not being a 100% efficient design" is fucking stupid. Besides that, outside uber realistic games, the rule of cool kinda applies. Don't forget, doom guy in doom 1 canonically had exposed abs, not to be realistic but "BECAUSE ITS COOL". Yes, realistically this would be insane, but it wasn't meant to be realistic.
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bort420 said:
My point was that criticizing boob armor based on realism is incoherent since the closest thing to physical combat women did was act as mascots like Joan of arc or they used totally different equipment that were entirely oriented around compensating for their stark physical inferiority.

The pseudo-prudes against it are often all for muscle mommies and girlbossses (read: their fetishes). Whatever they find it attractive is fine and empowering, but woe betide the normal dude who likes normal hot women, that's problematic male gaze.

We're already making shit up to justify female physical warriors so why not make them look good too? Of course we can justify anything in universe with magic, but that also means we don't need to be slaved to real world constraints elsewhere either. Make armor hot again!
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Why are you guys trying to ignore what I wrote and spin this as "women couldn't be physical fighters in the real world, ergo, their armor doesn't have to be realistic either"?

I know it's not real. It's a fantasy setting with magic and talking skeletons and dragons and whatnot. I get that. That doesn't mean women have to wear objectifying armor in it, though. At no point did I talk about whether women would make capable soldiers or not. Suspension of disbelief and all that. But suspension of disbelief doesn't mean I have to put up with them being put in bikini armor. Not unless the men are also dressed just as sluttily.
 
tigergrinder said:
That doesn't mean women have to wear objectifying armor in it, though. At no point did I talk about whether women would make capable soldiers or not. Suspension of disbelief and all that. But suspension of disbelief doesn't mean I have to put up with them being put in bikini armor. Not unless the men are also dressed just as sluttily.
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Unfortunately your opinion does not reflect the taste of the majority. Because at every opportunity where women have been allowed to choose how to dress their character the vast majority pick the skimpy clothes option. You've got women bitching about WoW being just armor and robes while flocking to FF14 because they get to be female warriors in a dress and heels
 
bort420 said:
My point was that criticizing boob armor based on realism is incoherent since the closest thing to physical combat women did was act as mascots like Joan of arc or they used totally different equipment that were entirely oriented around compensating for their stark physical inferiority.

The pseudo-prudes against it are often all for muscle mommies and girlbossses (read: their fetishes). Whatever they find it attractive is fine and empowering, but woe betide the normal dude who likes normal hot women, that's problematic male gaze.

We're already making shit up to justify female physical warriors so why not make them look good too? Of course we can justify anything in universe with magic, but that also means we don't need to be slaved to real world constraints elsewhere either. Make armor hot again!
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Well, it’s also just dumb to get mad at in a fantasy game of any kind, because what kind of armor protects against some wizard or elemental dumping a lava ball on you?

Enchanted armor? Ok, but that just means they can wear what they want.

DA is a series with all kinds of fantastical never-gonna-happens. Boob armor would be one of the most realistic things if they added it. Imagine having less imagination than current BioWare.

I’m still floored by this whole thing. A sad thing I realized is, in a better industry state, there could be hope for a FO3 / NV situation, where another studio could have handled a separate Dragon Age entry, and did it better than the mainline.

Except, most studios are so poisoned now, that scenario is no longer possible. New Vegas wouldn’t happen today, and neither will a DA equivalent.
 
How's Morrigan doing? I still want to know what happened to Flemeth. There's no way she's dead.
 
tigergrinder said:
Why are you guys trying to ignore what I wrote and spin this as "women couldn't be physical fighters in the real world, ergo, their armor doesn't have to be realistic either"?
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I feel like this is missing the forest for the trees : if you had just said "damn, we shouldn't be having female warriors in this game", I would have no qualms, I'd even agree to an extent. But you weren't.

You were arguing if women WERE real in battle, boob armor is "100% unrealistic" when it isn't. And if we are already making concessions on female warriors all over, boob armor is on par for the realism in the already unrealistic setting. So its kinda like accepting healing up from eating a burger in game, but NOT being ok with a guy reloading by throwing the magazine in the air to catch it. Both are unrealistic, but if you accept the burger healing, might AS WELL accept the reloading too, since its actually possible. Plus sounds like your issue is more "objectifiying" anyway.

Also I think people were trying not to engage you, less a mod segments the autistic arguments into a "debate tigergrinder about boob armor" thread in autistic thunderdome.

ALSO to be very clear, THIS is the kind of boob armor im 100% defending.
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This isn't slutty, or unrealistic. Its well fitting armor which accentuates the female form.
 
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Ishtar said:
I just read that women who romanced Solas were literally in tears during the infamous Vallaslin removal/break up scene.

Solas really does appeal to damaged women abandoned by non committal boyfriends.
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Its ironic, because during Veilguard you learn that Solas had a sexual relationship with Mythal. The whole reason he's trying to tear down the Veil is because he's regretful he couldn't prevent her murder.

It's also funny, cause she was potentially murdered because she was cheating on her husband Elger'nan, because of Solas.

The Inquisitor was basically the rebound girlfriend, and it could be argued that's why he doesn't stay with her, presumably he's still in love with Mythal.
 
Scarlett Johansson said:
How's Morrigan doing? I still want to know what happened to Flemeth. There's no way she's dead.
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Flemeth dies in Inquisition, because her voice actress wanted to retire. Morrigan gets "consensually" possessed by her spirit in Veilguard, and they get to co-exist in one body.

She gets to walk around as fan-service not really doing anything, or explaining where she's been, or what she's been doing for the last 10 years.
 
Whiskey said:
Sure things are bad right now... but I honestly think the future of gaming is china. I would be genuinely interested in playing a triple A chinese rpg with dialogue choices based around Chinese sensibilities.
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It absolutely is and the reason it isn't right now is because the Chinese side of everything hasn't set up big 300+ studios or publishing houses yet. If I had to guess the industry over there is very much late 90s like. All they need is people coming together with funding and a publisher and give them a few years to cook and they'll have a corner on the PC market, double so if they get a good international translation.
Someone showed me the trailer for Showa American Story and if a small team can make something like that in Unreal, imagine what proper direction and funding could do.
Just give it 5 years, China is an emerging market and will fill the hole that Western game companies are abandoning due to woke.

On topic, found this vid:
 
Whether this game sells well or not doesn't matter. Mass Effect Andromeda sold well too initially, and today it's more of a meme than anything else. This game will go down the same route, forever be known as the "purple tranny game with hideous characters".

What I'm curious is the number of so-called journalists and publications willing to die on this hill, when every sane person can see that this game is not even a 6, much less a PERFECT 10 FOR THE TROONS!!!!! Don't they have any sense of embarrassment to stake what little that is left of their cred on this game?
 
IcedBacon said:
Its ironic, because during Veilguard you learn that Solas had a sexual relationship with Mythal. The whole reason he's trying to tear down the Veil is because he's regretful he couldn't prevent her murder.

It's also funny, cause she was potentially murdered because she was cheating on her husband Elger'nan, because of Solas.

The Inquisitor was basically the rebound girlfriend, and it could be argued that's why he doesn't stay with her, presumably he's still in love with Mythal.
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I'm not clear on it, but the Inquisitor is involved in convincing Solas to stand down in tandem with Mythal(who is in Morrigan?).

I feel like the way Solas was written is the only thing this game does well. Yes he was a rebel but he was still a god of lies and betrayal, so both aspects of his character are represented.

(Which ironically again fits the distant hot sad figure women love for some reason).

*Mythal also convinced him to become a physical being, when he was just a spirit. Apparently.
 
tigergrinder said:
(Here's a hint as to how I know: I'm a woman.)
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There's a whole lot of women on the farms and when it's come up that a poster is (usually not relevant either way so does not) I do that poster the courtesy of believing them because... why shouldn't I? And a couple of posters on the Farms I know with certainty are women, for reasons. Plenty of female Kiwis and God bless 'em.

You however, I'm about 80% confident are male.

Anyway, back onto Veilguard, I understand that in order for a companion to survive at the end, you must have completed their personal quest. I also read that Taash's personal quest is to get his mother to use his she/they pronouns. Meaning Veilguard is not merely a game with a three minute cut scene explaining how to apologise to a trans person for getting their pronouns wrong (ten press-ups, apparently), but this is a game where the trans companion witll literally die if people don't use his preferred pronouns.

That's hilarious and probably one of the best ways of conveying how politicised and dumb this game is - your companion dies if the wrong pronouns are used.

As to what I saw of the storyline, it looked like an RPG run by a bad GM, where you're essentially a passenger to the grand narrative they have in their head and you can say "that's awesome" or "I disagree" but it's just a dialogue choice you make that doesn't actually change the direction - you say you're bit then the story continues the same either way. Origins what you said mattered. A lot. The play through I watched a bit of was Asmongold's and at the end of the video he said Veilguard wasn't great but was okay, better than his low expectations at least. But he also said he'd never played any of the Dragon Age games and didn't know them. Which explains a lot. Because if you go from Origins with its complex and meaningful decisions to sitting on the Veilguard story bus like a kid with one of those toy steering wheels so they can pretend they're steering the car, you are not going to be impressed.

Also, I don't know if anybody picked up on it but in the final battle against the male elven god, he states "I made this world". I don't know if anything substantiates that but appears to be stating he is the Maker. FWIW.
 
SPOILER if you romance the dapper necromancer.
He's not human. He's... wait, how does one fuck that thing?!!

Vid here to avoid thumbnail spoilage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsMNvW__DPw&ab_channel=NaughtyGaming

ETA: What is with the ugly onesies these characters wear as underwear? Makes me also miss the white panties in the first game.

Second edit: Looks like NikTek has this game on their radar. YAAAS MAWMA.

 
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BlankSpaceBaby said:
SPOILER if you romance the dapper necromancer.
He's not human. He's... wait, how does one fuck that thing?!!

Vid here to avoid thumbnail spoilage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsMNvW__DPw&ab_channel=NaughtyGaming

ETA: What is with the ugly onesies these characters wear as underwear? Makes me also miss the white panties in the first game.
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Oh FFS. I thought undertale fags wanting to fuck papyrus was cringe, but that was a cartoon skeleton so more dismiss-able as general autism. This is literally wanting to bone a boney boner. Even setting aside faggotry, the hell are you going to do with a skeleton, stick it between the ribs and call it a ribjob?

I hate this game even more now, and didn't think that was possible.
 
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