Military Equipment Sperging Thread - The Tiger II is a better tank than the M1 Abrams edition

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Since I'll never get to say this anywhere else, I love the Me262, 2nd favorite plane of all time. Sucks it's engines were kinda shit.
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Honest to God I'd say that something like a Shilka would make the best dedicated "urban combat tank".

Rapid fire high elevation gun that can fire APHE and APIT with enough sustained volume to target and plaster the first few layers of any floor of even a high rise building and can defeat any reasonable attempt to armor or reinforce a building, even a stone or concrete structure short of a bunker. Add missiles maybe for armored vehicle threats but there isn't much that wants to sit in front of two or more rapid fire cannons of 30mm or greater.

With all that said though the idea of a dedicated urban combat tank is pretty silly since the best weapon for urban combat is saturation bombing with incindiaries.
Shilka already did saw that work in Chechnya and Afghanistan. It directly resulted in the BMPT developed as a more survivable vehicle for that work, because the basic platform of the Shilka saw armor protection as secondary concern compared to ammo carrying capacity and having ability to engage air targets reasonably. With the modern saturation of drones and other targets that are cheaper than AA missiles they are baiting, the Shilka and other SPAA vehicles that people used to think are obsolete just got a new lease in life. Perhaps there needs to be a variant of the Avenger with more .50 cals.

As for saturation bombardment, you have to either lean having artillery superiority like Russia or air superiority like America. This is not always available so things like the BMPT end up existing.
 
Honest to God I'd say that something like a Shilka would make the best dedicated "urban combat tank".

Rapid fire high elevation gun that can fire APHE and APIT with enough sustained volume to target and plaster the first few layers of any floor of even a high rise building and can defeat any reasonable attempt to armor or reinforce a building, even a stone or concrete structure short of a bunker. Add missiles maybe for armored vehicle threats but there isn't much that wants to sit in front of two or more rapid fire cannons of 30mm or greater.

With all that said though the idea of a dedicated urban combat tank is pretty silly since the best weapon for urban combat is saturation bombing with incindiaries.
The best urban combat tank is a refitted SPAA platform with slightly better armor and maybe some short range missiles for "oh shit" encounters. an SPAA gun already fulfills 90% of what you'd want from a UCT, and a dedicated platform built from the ground up doesn't make sense to me from a logistical standpoint IMO. its a ton of effort and a new supply line of unique parts for a role that isn't really optimal.

The Russians already have the ZSU, not sure for the u.s, though. How easily do you think a C-RAM could be put into the turret ring of a Bradley🤔
 
How easily do you think a C-RAM could be put into the turret ring of a Bradley🤔
I want to see what the logistics of putting a GAU8 on a tracked chassis is.
Shilka already did saw that work in Chechnya and Afghanistan.
Which is why I mentioned the Shilka by name. Personally I'm with @Autistic Gunspergings om this one; it doesnt make much sense to me to make a dedicated platform for such a niche and suboptimal role as an urban combat tank when a good SPAA system could be modified for the roll and in all likelihood play that roll as well if not better.
 
Apparently we have the first public video of the B21 in flight. Set to enter service 2027, and replace the B1 Lancer and B2 Spirit by 2040
 
Apparently we have the first public video of the B21 in flight. Set to enter service 2027, and replace the B1 Lancer and B2 Spirit by 2040
https://youtube.com/watch?v=8wxvCB0_nUk
Glorious. I like the B21.
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B-21 on top, B-2 on bottom. It is what happens when you take every lesson learned from the B-2, shrink it so losing one isn't the cost of a warship, and make it mass producable. Love it so much.
 
Glorious. I like the B21.
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B-21 on top, B-2 on bottom. It is what happens when you take every lesson learned from the B-2, shrink it so losing one isn't the cost of a warship, and make it mass producable. Love it so much.
On the other hand, F-35 did show that even when you attempt to make something meant to be "cheaper" than the original, you will get a shitload of grift in the process if you let it happen.
 
On the other hand, F-35 did show that even when you attempt to make something meant to be "cheaper" than the original, you will get a shitload of grift in the process if you let it happen.
Well thats what happens when you put Lockheeb in charge of things. And when you let the marine Corp have a say.
 
On the other hand, F-35 did show that even when you attempt to make something meant to be "cheaper" than the original, you will get a shitload of grift in the process if you let it happen.
We have F-35's based in Utah. Loud things. But damn they look fucking slick flying overhead. And as for cost, at this point they are a bargain due to full rate production.
 
The Corps' insistence on a VTOL variant absolutely fucked that whole program.
It should have been spun off to it's own program with the Brits, Italians, and Spanish involved due to their own experience with the Harrier. It also didn't help that Lockmart in their usual manner are being extremely good at bribing others into buying their product.
 
It should have been spun off to it's own program with the Brits, Italians, and Spanish involved due to their own experience with the Harrier. It also didn't help that Lockmart in their usual manner are being extremely good at bribing others into buying their product.
I would say it's less bribery and more that it's the only real 5th gen fighter being offered for sale in town. And it can do a lot. Say what you will about the DEVELOPMENT of the VTOL variant, it works, and is perfect for smaller non catobar carriers. Combine that with it's extensive sensor package that is shared across all three variants that other planes have to take as a pod, it's pretty impressive. It should be faster though, they need to hurry up with that engine replacement.

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On my topic, I REALLY like the P-8 Posiedien.
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A extremely modified 737 not related to the MAX that carries Harpoons on its wings and torpedoes in its bomb bay. When compared to the P-3 Orion:
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It's clearly bigger which means more room for bigger future munitions. Also quieter because it's turbofan powered instead of turboprop. Love it 😀!
 
Glorious. I like the B21.

B-21 on top, B-2 on bottom. It is what happens when you take every lesson learned from the B-2, shrink it so losing one isn't the cost of a warship, and make it mass producable. Love it so much.
B-2s became that expensive after Congress had cut the build order. As the B-2 were meant to replace the B-52s close to an one to one basis.

Got to ask lads, what do you think of the Ontos?

6 M40 106mm recoiless rifles of doom and one 30 cal Browning 1919. A tank destroyer, urban warfare, and infantry killer with its beehive rounds wrapped into one. Should Murica bring a modern version back?
Ontos and Sheridan crews had been very lucky the Viet Cong and the NVA didn't used tanks at that much so they never encountered them. So they just went from tank destroyer to infantry support.

Prior to Ontos being retired, R&D on autoloading* recoilless rifle was close to successful completion when everything got canceled and shitcanned in flavor of ATGMs. The Ontos with the autoloding recoilless rifles would've had just two of them replacing the older six recoilless rifles.

*Revolver type setup somewhat akin to Nagant M1895 revolver with the gas seal.
 
I like pieces of military equipment that have some aspect of psychological effectiveness. That's one reason why my favorite pieces of military equipment are scary looking iron age helmets. Dark Souls uses this very specific type of horror as a foundation for the entire series.

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Some of these aren't necessarily "military" equipment, or practical, but things like these certainly were used. Anything that scared the shit out of the enemy was so much more powerful in an age where people still believed in demons and spirits and all kinds of unknown fictional nasties.

That's to say nothing about those jaguar masks the Aztecs used to put on to sneak attack people with. You can't tell me someone leaping out of the dark jungle wearing one of these things wouldn't make you shit your pants:


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Ivory Coast Kponyungo mask (maybe not "military equipment" but I am going to pretend that african bushmen wore these to butcher their terrified foes on the fields of ancient battle)
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scary looking iron age helmets
So that se ond helmet is actually meant to be humorous. It was commissioned (may have been made by I can't quite remember) a noble fellow named Maximilian and it was intended as a caricature of his own face. Made it for a friend of his as a gift if I remember correctly.
 
B-2s became that expensive after Congress had cut the build order. As the B-2 were meant to replace the B-52s close to an one to one basis
True. Still the B2 has more expensive features. The stealth coatings alone require special hangars. And they had to redesign it to fly at low level. It's pricy feature wise. Even just by size, it carries twice the load of the 21.
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Ontos and Sheridan crews had been very lucky the Viet Cong and the NVA didn't used tanks at that much so they never encountered them. So they just went from tank destroyer to infantry support.

Prior to Ontos being retired, R&D on autoloading* recoilless rifle was close to successful completion when everything got canceled and shitcanned in flavor of ATGMs. The Ontos with the autoloding recoilless rifles would've had just two of them replacing the older six recoilless rifles.

*Revolver type setup somewhat akin to Nagant M1895 revolver with the gas seal.
Would have loved to see more work done on recoiless rifles, there's a lot of potential there. Unlike a missile you can't jam it, and the cost per shot is relatively low. Wish we got that nagant style autoloader. But such is life.
 
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Want to talk about the state of the Constellation class frigate. Should have been in service by now, is not due to NUMEROUS design changes as they were building it, including the addition of a Combined diesel-electric and gas (CODLAG) system, which is the naval equivalent of a hybrid drive, which the US navy has very little experience with. My best guess as to WHY they want this is pretty simple, war with China, they want range, lots of it, the pacific is big, which for a frigate which main job is to escort convoys and generally add firepower to a fleet, yeah that's important.

It was based off the FREMM frigate, a Euro design, but due to ALL the changes, not just the engine, but weapons, sensors, etc, its practically a new ship class. This is the Carlo Bergamini for example:
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And this is the Constellation. Its been stretched like a Limo for all those anti ship missiles in the middle, has completely different VLS cells, MK41 instead of Sylver, different gun entirely-57mm Bofors US Navy standard-, the Aegis Baseline 10 Combat System, RAM launcher in the back, and the hull shape itself, which when they started to integrate the electric drive, HAD to change, it was too beefy for the FREMM hull.

It does not help that the shipyard in charge of this project, Fincantieri Marinette Marine, was in dire fucking straits before the Trump admin gave them this 20 ship contract to keep them open. As such however, they've had trouble finding skilled labor. The first ship, USS Constellation was supposed to be out at sea this year in 2024. It has moved to 2029 do to redesigns, bungling, etc.

And its sad! The thing is the frigate, when it hits sea, will be a fucking monster. Absolute rape beast. The Anti ship missiles will likely be the Naval Strike Missile, a lightweight stealth anti ship missile with the capability of hitting land targets. And it will have 16 of them on tap:
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Look at it. Base model has a >200km/110nmi/120mi range. The NSM 1A, the improved model has a 250KM/130nmi/160mi range. Its a beast. Well and truly capable of hitting targets over the horizon, be it on land or sea.

This is not even including the ability of the Constellation to carry fucking Tomahawks. 1000 miles. Land or ship targets with the Block V variant. There has been talk of bringing the NUCLEAR variant back from the dead. In any case, absolute rape.

As for air defense, pretty standard fare, ESSM, RIM-66, and the capability of launching RIM-174, the new heavy anti air hitter that can basically do it all (if you're willing to break the bank), including anti ballistic missile defense in a pinch. It also has a RIM-166 Rolling Airframe Missile system with 21 rounds in the launcher for point defense.

For aircraft carried, it has a big ass hanger for a MH-60R Seahawk, and oddly, a MQ-8C Firescout, this thing:
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Basically a drone version of a Bell 407 for recon and targeting. Really expands the eyes of a fleet.

As for the seahawk thats for anti sub work. One thing i will gripe about is the lack of torpedo tubes on this thing. If the Seahawk gets disabled and it isnt carrying ASROCK anti sub missiles, its anti sub capability disappears. I feel that's a major shortcoming. Its like not carrying a pistol with your rifle as a commando. Like, the fuck bro?

And here's some good videos from Sub Brief on the ship itself and the mismanagement:

I really just wanted to make a essay on this thing. It has so much potential but its being held back by navy planners saying "hey i know we said we wanted this at the start, but now we want this" and by a ship yard that basically got resuscitated from the brink of death, and as such, is a mess. It CAN be great, it just needs to get there. Any thoughts or discussion is welcome.
 
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