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Shilka already did saw that work in Chechnya and Afghanistan. It directly resulted in the BMPT developed as a more survivable vehicle for that work, because the basic platform of the Shilka saw armor protection as secondary concern compared to ammo carrying capacity and having ability to engage air targets reasonably. With the modern saturation of drones and other targets that are cheaper than AA missiles they are baiting, the Shilka and other SPAA vehicles that people used to think are obsolete just got a new lease in life. Perhaps there needs to be a variant of the Avenger with more .50 cals.Honest to God I'd say that something like a Shilka would make the best dedicated "urban combat tank".
Rapid fire high elevation gun that can fire APHE and APIT with enough sustained volume to target and plaster the first few layers of any floor of even a high rise building and can defeat any reasonable attempt to armor or reinforce a building, even a stone or concrete structure short of a bunker. Add missiles maybe for armored vehicle threats but there isn't much that wants to sit in front of two or more rapid fire cannons of 30mm or greater.
With all that said though the idea of a dedicated urban combat tank is pretty silly since the best weapon for urban combat is saturation bombing with incindiaries.
The best urban combat tank is a refitted SPAA platform with slightly better armor and maybe some short range missiles for "oh shit" encounters. an SPAA gun already fulfills 90% of what you'd want from a UCT, and a dedicated platform built from the ground up doesn't make sense to me from a logistical standpoint IMO. its a ton of effort and a new supply line of unique parts for a role that isn't really optimal.Honest to God I'd say that something like a Shilka would make the best dedicated "urban combat tank".
Rapid fire high elevation gun that can fire APHE and APIT with enough sustained volume to target and plaster the first few layers of any floor of even a high rise building and can defeat any reasonable attempt to armor or reinforce a building, even a stone or concrete structure short of a bunker. Add missiles maybe for armored vehicle threats but there isn't much that wants to sit in front of two or more rapid fire cannons of 30mm or greater.
With all that said though the idea of a dedicated urban combat tank is pretty silly since the best weapon for urban combat is saturation bombing with incindiaries.
I want to see what the logistics of putting a GAU8 on a tracked chassis is.How easily do you think a C-RAM could be put into the turret ring of a Bradley![]()
Which is why I mentioned the Shilka by name. Personally I'm with @Autistic Gunspergings om this one; it doesnt make much sense to me to make a dedicated platform for such a niche and suboptimal role as an urban combat tank when a good SPAA system could be modified for the roll and in all likelihood play that roll as well if not better.Shilka already did saw that work in Chechnya and Afghanistan.
You just reminded me of this glorious abomination.I want to see what the logistics of putting a GAU8 on a tracked chassis is.
Glorious. I like the B21.Apparently we have the first public video of the B21 in flight. Set to enter service 2027, and replace the B1 Lancer and B2 Spirit by 2040
https://youtube.com/watch?v=8wxvCB0_nUk
On the other hand, F-35 did show that even when you attempt to make something meant to be "cheaper" than the original, you will get a shitload of grift in the process if you let it happen.Glorious. I like the B21.
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B-21 on top, B-2 on bottom. It is what happens when you take every lesson learned from the B-2, shrink it so losing one isn't the cost of a warship, and make it mass producable. Love it so much.
Well thats what happens when you put Lockheeb in charge of things. And when you let the marine Corp have a say.On the other hand, F-35 did show that even when you attempt to make something meant to be "cheaper" than the original, you will get a shitload of grift in the process if you let it happen.
We have F-35's based in Utah. Loud things. But damn they look fucking slick flying overhead. And as for cost, at this point they are a bargain due to full rate production.On the other hand, F-35 did show that even when you attempt to make something meant to be "cheaper" than the original, you will get a shitload of grift in the process if you let it happen.
The Corps' insistence on a VTOL variant absolutely fucked that whole program.Well thats what happens when you put Lockheeb in charge of things. And when you let the marine Corp have a say.
It should have been spun off to it's own program with the Brits, Italians, and Spanish involved due to their own experience with the Harrier. It also didn't help that Lockmart in their usual manner are being extremely good at bribing others into buying their product.The Corps' insistence on a VTOL variant absolutely fucked that whole program.
I would say it's less bribery and more that it's the only real 5th gen fighter being offered for sale in town. And it can do a lot. Say what you will about the DEVELOPMENT of the VTOL variant, it works, and is perfect for smaller non catobar carriers. Combine that with it's extensive sensor package that is shared across all three variants that other planes have to take as a pod, it's pretty impressive. It should be faster though, they need to hurry up with that engine replacement.It should have been spun off to it's own program with the Brits, Italians, and Spanish involved due to their own experience with the Harrier. It also didn't help that Lockmart in their usual manner are being extremely good at bribing others into buying their product.
B-2s became that expensive after Congress had cut the build order. As the B-2 were meant to replace the B-52s close to an one to one basis.Glorious. I like the B21.
B-21 on top, B-2 on bottom. It is what happens when you take every lesson learned from the B-2, shrink it so losing one isn't the cost of a warship, and make it mass producable. Love it so much.
Ontos and Sheridan crews had been very lucky the Viet Cong and the NVA didn't used tanks at that much so they never encountered them. So they just went from tank destroyer to infantry support.Got to ask lads, what do you think of the Ontos?
6 M40 106mm recoiless rifles of doom and one 30 cal Browning 1919. A tank destroyer, urban warfare, and infantry killer with its beehive rounds wrapped into one. Should Murica bring a modern version back?
So that se ond helmet is actually meant to be humorous. It was commissioned (may have been made by I can't quite remember) a noble fellow named Maximilian and it was intended as a caricature of his own face. Made it for a friend of his as a gift if I remember correctly.scary looking iron age helmets
True. Still the B2 has more expensive features. The stealth coatings alone require special hangars. And they had to redesign it to fly at low level. It's pricy feature wise. Even just by size, it carries twice the load of the 21.B-2s became that expensive after Congress had cut the build order. As the B-2 were meant to replace the B-52s close to an one to one basis
Would have loved to see more work done on recoiless rifles, there's a lot of potential there. Unlike a missile you can't jam it, and the cost per shot is relatively low. Wish we got that nagant style autoloader. But such is life..
Ontos and Sheridan crews had been very lucky the Viet Cong and the NVA didn't used tanks at that much so they never encountered them. So they just went from tank destroyer to infantry support.
Prior to Ontos being retired, R&D on autoloading* recoilless rifle was close to successful completion when everything got canceled and shitcanned in flavor of ATGMs. The Ontos with the autoloding recoilless rifles would've had just two of them replacing the older six recoilless rifles.
*Revolver type setup somewhat akin to Nagant M1895 revolver with the gas seal.
Atleast her theme song is, as the kids say, a bangerSince I'll never get to say this anywhere else, I love the Me262, 2nd favorite plane of all time. Sucks it's engines were kinda shit.
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