Sony hate thread

[Marissa Moira]

Nintendo Officially Named The Richest Company In Japan In 2020

The video game giant was named Japan's second richest company in 2019, but this year it climbed the ranks due to the success of New Horizons.

www.thegamer.com

Last I heard they were, not going to bother keeping up with if they stay on top, but they were and probably will be again if they're not, and are at least the richest game company in Japan at any rate. I'm sure you'll be splitting hairs instead of just conceding, of course.

Do you think I keep up with Japan exclusive game companies and can cite some from the top of my head...? I'm simply sure they exist. Do you really want me to go prove the obvious, that these small game companies exist in Japan...?

Just stop, thanks.

I don't know dude, I mean I gave Entergram as an example of a developer and publisher who has stayed pretty much in Japan. Prior it would have been Kadokawa but they're not Japan only anymore and are looking to go international for their self game publishing within the next year or so. Which means they're very likely to not just publish the fromsoft games but many of their other IPs as well. There would also be Aquaplus but there's a rumored dispute on who has what with the Utawererumono publishing rights, so the PC port got published in the west and the console release seems to be in limbo. Eventually their games will make it into the international market as well.

International groups have really gotten a ton of publishing rights to a ton of smaller japanese games. Going "I'm sure they simply exist" just really isn't good enough, because I don't think you realize that a ton of stuff has already been bought up for the west. Lots of smaller games wind up on the indie scene which is international already and these games find a way onto the global marketplace.

Like for example within the last year or so Embracer group bought out a lot of specialty retailer/publishers like Limited Run, they deal with distributing games they acquire the rights to and all of these are smaller titles. Much of the stuff they release are Japanese games, including stuff like Raidiant Silvergun.

Really both Japanese developers and publishers large and small for consoles have all for the majority entered the international market. The ones who have not are in a shrinking minority.

 

[whatever I feel like]

Sales expectations vary by company and circumstance. Nintendo is literally THE richest company in Japan and a console manufacturer with theme parks you retard. They of all Japanese game companies will obviously, due to their size and current business model, need to target the global market to sustain that. But not everyone is fucking Nintendo.

That doesn't in any way diminish or refute what I said. Obviously if you want to maximize profit you spread out, and a company like Nintendo basically has to now. Most don't need to; as I said, "especially smaller companies".

Fuck fuck FUCK you're dumb lol

Nintendo owns no theme parks. They license the right to operate Nintendo themed attractions to Universal, who put in only three Nintendo rides per location.

 

[IDanceonTrannyGraves]

Falcom developing their own switch ports has zero effect on the western market because NIS already has those distribution contracts for all the future games up to Kuro 1. NIS is still going to be doing switch ports of falcom games for the next few years. Falcom was already making money off the switch because NISA started doing switch ports with Ys 8 back in 2018. So no falcom wasn't ignoring it for 5 years, other companies were just making the ports for them, all they did was just change production lines most likely due to costs.

The new Ys game is going to be a Souslike though, it's not going to be a 1:1 copy of the whole move set, but a hybrid of it like GOW. As someone who has the falcom games on switch, they are full of stutter, that part isn't false. And with their more action oriented approach for 10 usually the switch wouldn't be the ideal platform because if Nintendo isn't going to be helping Falcom with the ports, there's guaranteed performance issues that's just how the switch has been.

If you're building it baseline for the swtich like Sonic Frontiers was suspected to be and then just port it as is to more powerful systems, the lower specs stand out. Dragon Quest XIS had this happen to it once it was shown on PC and MHR had to have a whole HD patch applied to it.

Someone truly needs to beat some fucking sense into you and the shit out of you.

You continue to shit up this thread by spouting things that are provably untrue.

Fuck off. No one wants you here. Go to reddit, or Twitter. Kill yourself. I don't care. Just *fuck off*.

 

[Marissa Moira]

Nintendo owns no theme parks. They license the right to operate Nintendo themed attractions to Universal, who put in only three Nintendo rides per location.

If I understand correctly though the deal with Universal does require Nintendo to pay some amount routinely for things like upkeep and maintenance. It's similar in nature to how Disney originally ran epcot with sponsored rides. I mean it's probably not cheap but it's not a ballbreaking amount either.

It's not like they would be on the hook for everything akin to Disney.

But here's how they did the harry potter contract

How Universal Pays J.K. Rowling for the Harry Potter Theme Park Rights - Exploring the Contract

There's no doubt that the The Wizarding World of Harry Potter has been a huge success for Universal, but at what cost? And do they keep the rights forever?

orlandoparkstop.com

The Nintendo contract in full may wind up being something similar.

 

[The Feline Solution]

Someone truly needs to beat some fucking sense into you and the shit out of you.

You continue to shit up this thread by spouting things that are provably untrue.

Fuck off. No one wants you here. Go to reddit, or Twitter. Kill yourself. I don't care. Just *fuck off*.

It's worth it that Marissa is back just to see these kind of posts by you again, i really mean that.

 

[whatever I feel like]

If I understand correctly though the deal with Universal does require Nintendo to pay some amount routinely for things like upkeep and maintenance. It's similar in nature to how Disney originally ran epcot with sponsored rides. I mean it's probably not cheap but it's not a ballbreaking amount either.

It's not like they would be on the hook for everything akin to Disney.

But here's how they did the harry potter contract

How Universal Pays J.K. Rowling for the Harry Potter Theme Park Rights - Exploring the Contract

There's no doubt that the The Wizarding World of Harry Potter has been a huge success for Universal, but at what cost? And do they keep the rights forever?

orlandoparkstop.com

The Nintendo contract in full may wind up being something similar.

This article doesn't say anything about Universal requiring the rights holder to pay for upkeep, if anything it's the exact opposite. If Uni fails to properly maintain the theming they could lose their rights to it.

 

[ShitlordroltihS]

Playstation is for niggers

 

[IDanceonTrannyGraves]

If I understand correctly

You don't. Shut the fuck up.

 

[Marissa Moira]

This article doesn't say anything about Universal requiring the rights holder to pay for upkeep, if anything it's the exact opposite. If Uni fails to properly maintain the theming they could lose their rights to it.

Yeah not for the Potter contract, but the article mentions just how much these things change. The Nintendo rides were being built during corona so there were probably some new, now outdated contract stuff for those. It shows just how frequently these agreements change.

But even if these parks fail, they're not integrated into Nintendo like Disney's parks are. They've already been scaled back from the original blue sky concepts.

 

[The Feline Solution]

Playstation is for niggers

Has it been a month again already?

 

[BananaSplit²]

Do you think I keep up with Japan exclusive game companies and can cite some from the top of my head...? I'm simply sure they exist. Do you really want me to go prove the obvious, that these small game companies exist in Japan...?

Sharing a bunch of examples just for the curious users here, as it's my jam besides the rare western indie. And companies like Nippon Ichi Software (NIS), D3 Publisher and Falcom can take between several months up to a few years for their games to come out in english after the initial japanese release, if ever in certain cases. Nevermind about the localization "quality" (I personally cannot trust them and I'm always willing to pay a much higher price for 日本語 support) but that's for another debate.

Spoiler: Success

Spoiler: Sting

Spoiler: Koei-Tecmo

Spoiler: D3 Publisher

Spoiler: Phoenixx Games

Spoiler: Experience

Spoiler: Nippon Ichi Software

Besides missing out on EDF6, betting on the Switch as the go-to for japanese games was the correct choice for me.

 

[Marissa Moira]

Sharing a bunch of examples just for the curious users here, as it's my jam besides the rare western indie. And companies like Nippon Ichi Software (NIS), D3 Publisher and Falcom can take between several months up to a few years for their games to come out in english after the initial japanese release, if ever in certain cases. Nevermind about the localization "quality" (I personally cannot trust them and I'm always willing to pay a much higher price for 日本語 support) but that's for another debate.

Sting, Koei Tecmo, D3 Publisher, and Nippon Ichi Software all get their games published by other publishing companies or have western branches themselves.

Knights in knightmare for example, came out for the PSP in the west ages ago.

D3Publisher's newest title actually has an advertising contract with Sony and is set for an international release

I'm talking about companies that stay pretty much only in Japan, and listing stuff like Koei doesn't apply because they draw more in from their international sales already and have partnerships with western companies.

Koei mentions that it's international releases drove their sales

Koei Tecmo Announces Strong Financial Results & Teases New Games; Sales of Atelier Sophie 2 & More Announced

Today Koei Tecmo announced its Financial Results for the Fiscal Year which ended on March 31, 2022, also mentioning its plans for the future.

twinfinite.net

 

[Sexyphobe]

The West Likes Yakuza Because It Doesn't Pander to Western Tastes, Says SEGA

Preach

www.pushsquare.com

SEGA put their success down to NOT pandering to the west. They get their majority of sales in the west but they understand that people in the west like japanese games and they know trying to make something specifically to appeal to the west would be stupid

Team Ninja themselves said this to explain the failure of appealing to the west

Despite that, they keep making the same mistake, appealing to the west killed Ninjia Gaiden and Dead or Alive. Meanwhile KOEI-Tecmo's biggest success story in years is an anime girl JRPG

That was also Capcom's issue a decade ago. Trying to "Westernize" games like Devil May Cry, when they already appealed to the West with a pizza-eating, sword-wielding, one-liner spewing badass in Dante. Then they realized "Hey, when we appeal to Japan, we also appeal to the West who love Japanese games" and then everything went great.

I guess that speaks more about the Western market being open to all kinds of genres and such, and the Japanese who are pretty closed-minded, but that's another discussion.

 

[Marissa Moira]

I guess that speaks more about the Western market being open to all kinds of genres and such, and the Japanese who are pretty closed-minded, but that's another discussion.

That's pretty much what I've been trying to get across. The US Market is more open and broad and that tends to drive competition since many more titles of similar genres are released along side each other. If one title makes it big other companies tend to put out their own twist on the mechanics in following games.

It's why Japanese games have found the success that they do in the US and beyond.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

I don't know dude, I mean I gave Entergram as an example of a developer and publisher who has stayed pretty much in Japan. Prior it would have been Kadokawa but they're not looking to go international for their self game publishing within the next year or so. Which means they're very likely to not just publish the fromsoft games but many of their other IPs as well. There would also be Aquaplus but there's supposedly a dispute on who has what with the Utawererumono publishing rights, so the PC port got published in the west and the console release seems to be in limbo.

International groups have really gotten a ton of publishing rights to a ton of smaller japanese games. Going "I'm sure they simply exist" just really isn't good enough, because I don't think you realize that a ton of stuff has already been bought up for the west. Lots of smaller games wind up on the indie scene which is international already and these games find a way onto the global marketplace.

I don't even know how I'm supposed to find something that has virtually no English presence.

The only idea I had was to search through lists of games that weren't released in English using Wikipedia and to look at the developers' page to see what else they made, but most don't even have a stub. I think that's pretty indicative of being a smaller Japan only developer not notable to English speakers.

I think your request is unreasonable because not only is it common sense they exist, but I can't think of a way someone would access that information using English websites to properly confirm it (despite the circumstantial evidence being in my favor), and I obviously don't know Japanese.

You'll have to settle for a company mostly developing for Japan, not exclusively (which is still sufficient because it doesn't "rely" on the global market like Nintendo does, which was your point in bringing them up; reliance, but ideally I'd rub strictly Japanese only developers in your face):

Regista

I think a couple of their games were released in English but most don't seem to have, which doesn't appear to suggest a reliance on the global market.

I maintain that Japanese exclusive developers exist though. And most delectably, you tacitly admitted as much when you edited your post to include the following:

You're mostly left with one button VN titles for the majority of releases and stuff that would be considered shovelware.

So...you acknowledge there are small Japanese only developers by your own admission. Wish I saw that edit, could've saved myself the effort of proving you wrong myself. Dumb lol

 

[whatever I feel like]

In fairness, there are things that Japan tolerates that the west has no interest in. Mostly pedo-bait like idolm@ster or that sexy ninjas game series from the 2010s.

I don't think we lose much not getting those translated, through I, (unlike Sony,) would not deny Japan it's sexy ninjas.

 

[Marissa Moira]

In fairness, there are things that Japan tolerates that the west has no interest in. Mostly pedo-bait like idolm@ster or that sexy ninjas game series from the 2010s.

I don't think we lose much not getting those translated, through I, (unlike Sony,) would not deny Japan it's sexy ninjas.

But I just posted a sexy ninja game that's coming stateside

But yeah pedobait doesn't seem to fly. But It seems to be increasingly on both sides. CERO has grown harsh on stuff like that because the Japanese government has been more harsh to more forms of entertainment. ESRB and individual company policies let it slide if the character doesn't look visibly like a child or in jr. highschool and is aged up on paper.

So...you acknowledge there are small Japanese only developers by your own admission. Wish I saw that edit, could've saved myself the effort of proving you wrong myself. Dumb lol

I said they're very much in the shrinking minority that are staying Japan Only and those one button visual novel titles are what make up most of Entergram's output.

The majority of Japanese companies and their big titles are already international or are soon going to be.

FromSoftware Publisher To Develop New Console Games Based on Anime IPs

According to last year's financial report by Kadokawa, FromSoftware publisher will be focusing on developing Anime games for consoles

tech4gamers.com

This was prior to the news that Fromsoft would become it's own publisher, but yeah they're not just going to be publishing their own Fromsoft games. It's to expand their parent company's reach internationally.

 

[Mega Black]

I mean, if they want whiter-than-the-moon Kratos to kill black people... Reminds me of SJWs mad that Kingdom Come: Deliverance didn't have black people in medieval Bohemia.

Kratos kills a grand total of 1 person in Ragnarok and it isn't a black guy.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

Someone truly needs to beat some fucking sense into you and the shit out of you.

You continue to shit up this thread by spouting things that are provably untrue.

Fuck off. No one wants you here. Go to reddit, or Twitter. Kill yourself. I don't care. Just *fuck off*.

Okay, I don't mean to sound like I'm taking Moras side here

But just fucking use the ignore feature.

 

[Pissmaster]

Tomorrow begins the 3rd year of the PS5, and I’ve still yet to see one in person, or in stock anywhere