One Piece - I'm Gonna Be the Pirate King!

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Watched a theory recently suggesting he is the only other remaining Kozuki and will become Shogun until Momo is ready.
More specifically, that he's Kozuki Sukiyaki in disguise, since we never actually got a death scene for him in the Oden flashback, and his age is 81, and that they share a voice actor. Oh, and Hitetsu never made even a cameo in the flashback unlike the other old major Wano figures.
 
Watched a theory recently suggesting he is the only other remaining Kozuki and will become Shogun until Momo is ready.
Yeah, that would follow Oda’s trend of the old ruler being put back in place at the end of the arc.

I think we might be getting Momo and Yamato and Tama or Yamato and either Momo or Tama as crew because of that fact
 
She probably didn't even exist conceptually until part-way through Wano. It would explain the supposedly rushed intro. That and her being set up for more shit down the line, though not sure what that would entail.
Oh that is most definitely what happened. My best guess is that Oda likely had the Ace parts of Onigashima plotted out, but then hit a snag when there weren’t any characters to facilitate those revelations naturally.
Both Kaido and Orochi were written to be ok fire in their zoan forms, and Orochi has been beheaded, which implies that Kaido will quickly follow.
The one thing that makes me hesitant to call it just yet is that, in pretty much every iteration of the Yamato no Orochi myth I’ve ever read, a connection between its tail being cut off and the sword Ame no Habakiri is a huge part of the story - either simply as a the origin of the sword, or his tail being his true weak spot. Between that being the same name as the sword Oden passed down to Momo, Momo saying he doesn‘t feel ready to use it yet, and Momo spending the first two acts sword training, it feels like there’s a lot of groundwork that’s been set up for a pay off that really only makes sense if Orochi still isn’t down yet. And if Orochi still isn’t down…

That and that scene where CP0 talks about how Momo’s artificial devil fruit designed by Vegapunk was deemed a failure, and that it’s a relief for them if that‘s true, leaves a few unresolved plot threads. If Vegapunk was telling the truth, then it begs the question as to what Kaido’s DF can do that Momo’s can’t; and even if Vegapunk was lying the payoff would still be Momo doing something that was thought to be outside the scope of an artificial fruit. Neither of these require Kaido to still be fighting mind you, but it would definitely be a motive to have him still be up for just a little longer.
 
When I think of rushed though, I think of Yamato’s introduction.
See this is one of the reasons I don’t actually think earlier things were developed enough because I think there were things that if given Oda’s usual time could have set up Yamato’s introduction.

She seems like a late addition honestly and not one that was slotted in well.

Which amuses me honestly because I assumed Kaido would have 1 child who he gave no shits about because Oda had clearly been setting Big Mom and Kaido up as a duo of sorts. And that’s an easy and obvious contrast.

I think one reason I think things are rushed is simply that we didn’t see enough doing and it was crammed into way too short a time frame so the remaining days were just skipped because they’d done everything already for the most part. Seemed very condensed despite having a framing structure that would suggest the opposite.

I would have liked to have seen King and Queen and Kaido showing more of them actively breaking people honestly.
Also showing a period of calm with the preparation montage right before the beginning of the raid gives the moment when complications do arise a little more weight, and Kin’emon bungling his way through out-foxing Orochi is a great punchline.
That it did.

The one thing that makes me hesitant to call it just yet is that, in pretty much every iteration of the Yamato no Orochi myth I’ve ever read, a connection between its tail being cut off and the sword Ame no Habakiri is a huge part of the story - either simply as a the origin of the sword, or his tail being his true weak spot. Between that being the same name as the sword Oden passed down to Momo, Momo saying he doesn‘t feel ready to use it yet, and Momo spending the first two acts sword training, it feels like there’s a lot of groundwork that’s been set up for a pay off that really only makes sense if Orochi still isn’t down yet. And if Orochi still isn’t down…
Same reason I don’t buy things are over honestly. Momo has way too much setup.

I think just all been Momo setup so far honestly.

The more I read the more I am convinced Momo and Yamato and Tama are joining the crew.
 
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I think one reason I think things are rushed is simply that we didn’t see enough doing and it was crammed into way too short a time frame so the remaining days were just skipped because they’d done everything already for the most part. Seemed very condensed despite having a framing structure that would suggest the opposite.
Again, I think we’ll have to agree to disagree. Act 2’s structure feels very much like an artistic choice to me. The entire act is split fairly evenly in half between the first week and second week of the raid planning, with Yasuie’s sacrifice serving as the mid-point. The first half focuses on external conflicts surrounding planning the raid like finding allies and weapons, while the second half focuses on the internal conflicts - particularly the brewing mistrust and the general overarching themes of deception - that will spill over into Act 3. Those internal character conflicts needing to remain unresolved because also means giving less information heightens the tension, so the second week being depicted in shorter scenes via a montage where everything is going emphasizes the contrast when things start to go wrong. To top it off, Oda notoriously loathes training arcs (I’m pretty sure he only kinda includes one with the prison because “old wise mentor training young hero” is such a staple to martial art and samurai stories) so it’s not exactly off-brand for him to not give the training scenes themselves as much focus.

Outside of a few hiccups and missing scenes that appear to have mostly been cut because of page limits over a lack of plotting, pretty much everything gets introduced, expanded, and resolved about where they’d be expected to be. That’s why Yamato feels so weird and rather out of place comparitively.

The more I read the more I am convinced Momo and Yamato and Tama are joining the crew.

I actually have had the opposite: the more I read the more I’m convinced that they won’t join; Yamato in particular.

Tama’s the biggest maybe because she wanted to be a ninja to join Ace, but a lot more emphasis has been placed on her desire to get a decent meal every day. That can accomplished by either staying in Wano once liberated or joining the crew. But I’m personally leaning more towards her staying.

Momo’s entire journey however has been about him becoming shogun of Wano. It’s what he and the main cast have been working towards. Having already fulfilled Oden’s wish to see the world after traveling with the Straw Hats, and him becoming the symbol of Wano’s future “dawn” over the course of the arc, the only conceivable reason he might be motivated continue to do so would be if the arc made a hard swerve in its trajectory where it ends with Momo deciding not to open Wano before seeing what convinced Oden to do so Laugh Tale first. Which would be a HUGE slap in the face to not only Momo’s coming of age story when his biggest character flaw is him being cripplingly risk averse, but the entire theme of “fortune favors the bold” that the Wano arc is built upon. Even if the theories about Sukiyaki being alive are true, Momo leaving would still signify character regression rather than growth.

As for Yamato, the biggest reasons I don‘t see her joining are her overall placement in the story, the way her characterization has been presented, and her utter lack of connection with the main stays. For one, Oda has never introduced a crew member in the literal third act of their story - they’ve always been integrated into the plot in an arc that specifically revolves around them, or several arcs before their own personal arc. And for good reason: the new characters need time to build a rapport with the crew and establish their dynamic before they become part of the main cast, without that essential transitional period there’s no glue to bring them together. If Yamato is truly supposed to join, it doesn’t make a lick of sense to have the vast majority of her screen time be dedicated to her bonding with Momo, who is in all likelihood remaining in Wano, while the rest of the main cast doesn’t even know she exists. Oda even seems to go out of his way to keep her apart from the crew, with one scene where she leaves the room only a handful of pages before the crew does a large group shot, so trying to integrate her now can only feel forced. What, is she going to start trying to bond with the Straw Hats while they’re in the middle of frantically giving Zoro CPR?

For another, Yamato’s character arc has also been occurring independently of the crew and as a result is practically finished, which means once Wano ends there isn’t much else to build off of from there, which means there isn’t an organic avenue to have another Yamato-centric arc for the others to get behind, which means she’d have to intrude on an otherwise unrelated story arc as a substitute. Does anyone really want to see highly anticipated arcs like Elbaf get turned into The Yamato Hour because she has to awkwardly insert herself into everyone else’s arcs she’d otherwise have no business having a part in? Plus, considering how heavily she’s tied to Oden, I don’t think she’d really add anything to the crew’s overall dynamic anyways. The only role she’d have in the rest of the story would be telling the audience whether or not the things the Straw Hats are doing align with what she’s already read, which would get old real fast.

Finally, Yamato’s whole “I wanna be Oden” because she associates Oden with the freedom and acceptance she desires feels set up in such a way that the thematic trajectory for her would be to move away from copying Oden and forge her own future. In the scenes where she talks to or about Luffy, its always exclusively in the context of comparing him to Ace and Roger; she even says something along the lines of “logic dictates”/“following the proper logic” as an her main reason for asking Luffy for a ride out sea because it matches up with what Oden did and because Luffy reminds her of Ace. Even excluding that taking on someone else’s identity rather than embracing her own is kinda working against her own ideals (and is at this point futile since all the adventures Oden was shown to have that inspired Yamato are all ones that are far behind the Straw Hats) Luffy just isn’t going to appreciate being treated as either a replacement goldfish Ace or as a Roger stand-in to compliment her Oden LARP. It just doesn’t make sense to reward her eventually moving away from Oden, her symbol of freedom, by her relegated to only doing things exactly like Oden.
 
Reminder that the Strawhat Crew isn't the only allies they have, and there is a Strawhat Grand Fleet* that will be coming into play when Luffy Faces off against the Navy and Blackbeard, both of which have fleets.

Yamato, Momo, and the Minks are likely going to declare themselves Luffy's Subordinates, Much like Fishman Island has, Do note that The World Government is directly prepared to annex Wano so Wano is going to have to declare themselves a Holding of Luffy to prevent that.


*SORRY TRAFFY YOU ARE IN THIS GROUP TOO ACCEPT THAT YOU ARE LUFFY'S FRIEND NOW submit to the fate that you inflicted upon yourself for allying yourself with Luffy to overthrow Mingo and Kaido.

You too Kid, You are fucked too.
 
Unless you count Artur’s despicable “Return to Reverie” series, none of the Revolutionary Executives have done anything yet!
1. Artur's worthless for anything other than telling us what's on vivre cards
2. We're WAAAY overdue that intermission telling us what they've done. Technically they HAVE done something, we just haven't seen it (Reverie and Wano weren't happening concurrently)
 
1. Artur's worthless for anything other than telling us what's on vivre cards
I disagree. Hr’s good for wasting years of his life and months of time creating several hours of the most obvious talked to death theory and honestly believing it must be true even though it can’t be because all the loud voices say it is. And if there is one thing that remains consistant it is if everyone believes the story will go one way Oda will make it go the other just because.

Was some funny shit.
 
Yamato being not developed enough is probably just Oda deciding to develop her later on as member of the crew. Yes, I'm having my copium right now
I don't get everyone's complaining. The arc isn't over yet. Its like whining about Brook not being developed enough before his backstory. If she's joining the crew shell get character development at some point.
 
If she's joining the crew shell get character development at some point.
And if she doesn't then she really doesn't need it because if she doesn't become a full member then all we really need to know is

Likes : "Oden, Oden's plan to Open Wano, Ace and Luffy."
Dislikes : "Kaido for being a dick and killing Oden, Kaido for locking her up for most of her life and presumably the World Government for killing Ace"

I really don't need more character development for someone when if she doesn't join up her next appearance will be in the Raftel Arc when somebody points at Aniku and says "Hey you see that guy? He killed Ace...GO Sodomize him with a Ice Bakuga"
 
I really don't need more character development for someone when if she doesn't join up her next appearance will be in the Raftel Arc when somebody points at Aniku and says "Hey you see that guy? He killed Ace...GO Sodomize him with a Ice Bakuga"
I like how Oda established last chapter that Luffy is still vulnerable to fire so as not to remove all tension from his rematch with Akainu in the final arc.
 
I don't get everyone's complaining. The arc isn't over yet. Its like whining about Brook not being developed enough before his backstory. If she's joining the crew shell get character development at some point.
people are saying it's over though. Oda has a pattern of addressing fully all a SH main issues in their intro arc before the antagonists go down. And both Kaido and Orochi are 'down'.

People are taking issue because they are looking at Oden's patterns for the last 20 years and to them something is off.

Speaking of everything being over the spoilers for this week suggest the next few chapters are going to be fun and hype.
 
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Spoilers have been out for a while now, seems like Kaido could be dead soon
 
Its like whining about Brook not being developed enough before his backstory.
I mean, of all the Straw Hats to compare her to, Yamato and Brook’s introductions couldn’t be more different.

Brook is introduced in the very first chapter of Thriller Bark, followed by two chapters that are basically a preview of what he will bring to the crew’s dynamic, and then the rest of the arc has him bonding with all the Straw Hats through various side plots that also tie Brook to the crew thematically.

Yamato on the other hand shows up unceremoniously 60+ chapters in, has a brief side plot with Luffy but otherwise spends most of her time bonding with and cheerleading for Momo, and the only response from two Straw Hats (one who didn’t even meet her) in relation to Yamato has been “literally who.”

If anything Yamato has more in common with Lola’s introduction in Thriller Bark than she does with Brook. Though even Lola got more of a prelude than Yamato.
 
I mean, of all the Straw Hats to compare her to, Yamato and Brook’s introductions couldn’t be more different.

Brook is introduced in the very first chapter of Thriller Bark, followed by two chapters that are basically a preview of what he will bring to the crew’s dynamic, and then the rest of the arc has him bonding with all the Straw Hats through various side plots that also tie Brook to the crew thematically.

Yamato on the other hand shows up unceremoniously 60+ chapters in, has a brief side plot with Luffy but otherwise spends most of her time bonding with and cheerleading for Momo, and the only response from two Straw Hats (one who didn’t even meet her) in relation to Yamato has been “literally who.”

If anything Yamato has more in common with Lola’s introduction in Thriller Bark than she does with Brook. Though even Lola got more of a prelude than Yamato.
What side plots? Brook disappears to fight Ryuma for most of the arc. Shows up once to save Robin from the spider and then is there for the end. The entire arc he's running around being mysterious until his backstory is shown right at the end. Other than telling everyone about the salt, Brook did nearly nothing in TB. He literally got bodied by the guy Zoro ended up fighting to hype Ryuma up. Plus are you forgetting that the crew's response when they met Brook was to think it was a joke? He even asked to join right on first contact like Yamato did. Its a very comparable situation.

Wano arc currently has almost triple the number of chapters of Thriller Bark and act 3 isnt even over. 60+ chapters in still has Yamato in the story longer now than Brook was at the end of his arc. For reference TB was 48 chapters, Wano as of 1050 is 141 chapters. Yamato was first referenced in 979 and shows up in person in 983. From 983 to 1050 is 67 chapters. This is me being extra generous since she's shown in silhouette in the Oden flashback several chapters earlier.

I don't understand how people are not waiting for this arc to end before judging when we're right off the tail of WCI. Everyone judged the last arc for being too long or boring or whatever and on reread most people think its the best post timeskip arc. I really dont care whether Yamato joins or not but saying characters are undeveloped before the arc ends is stupid. Have some patience.
 
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