UK Young people are rejecting work. Why?

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“I’m considering living in the wild, just trotting around the globe with little money,” reads a post on a Reddit forum for Neets. “I was working [in] a retail store and the first few hours were OK, then I had to deal with customers,” reads another. “I packed my bag and just left.”

In this forum, a community of 44,000 people from around the world share advice and discuss the challenges of being a Neet — an acronym for not in education, employment or training.

It is not just an online phenomenon. “I could never go back to working a normal job again,” Morgan, who left his role in 2020 and asked to remain anonymous, told the FT. “With inflation and rents rising, the incentive to devote all of my time to an employer to barely scrape by didn’t make sense any more.”

In the third quarter of this year, official UK figures showed 13 per cent of 16 to 24-year-olds were Neets, nearly 1mn people. Two-fifths of these were looking for work; the rest were “economically inactive”, neither working nor looking, opting out of the labour market completely.

This puts the number of economically inactive young people close to its highest level — a similar story in Europe and the US, where more than 1 in 10 young people are Neets.

While the term first gained traction in 1990s UK government policy, which sought to help older teenagers into work, it has since been adopted internationally and by a wider subculture of economically inactive people. Reddit’s Neet forum includes people in their 50s; recent posts depict a “self-loathing man of inaction late 20s/early 30s” or ask if “30+ NEETS [can] turn their life around?”

After starting out as a car salesman ten years ago, Morgan, now 30, was forced out of work by depression and an illness that took him in and out of hospital. When he recovered, the pandemic had shut his industry down: he opted out of work, using the time to teach himself how to repair old cars and post videos online.

“My time to develop my interests was worth more than I could make working, even if it wasn’t making me any money,” he says. But eventually the bills began to pile up. “I was put out on the street for unpaid rent. I lived in my car for a few days before a friend took me in. I’m lucky that’s where I am today.”

Josh, 24, dropped out of university after deciding it wasn’t worth the money. “I went on to have a few retail jobs but I found it tough to interact with people in the workplace because of my social anxiety,” he told the FT. I’ve moved back in with my parents now, who are able to support me. I help my mum around the house and I’m trying to teach myself programming.”

Louise Murphy, economist at the Resolution Foundation think-tank, says mental health is one driver of rising Neet numbers: in 20 years, the proportion of young people reporting a disorder such as anxiety or bipolar has increased from a quarter to a third. This makes them more likely to be out of work: an RF report found between 2018 and 2022, 21 per cent of 18 to 24-year-olds with mental health problems were jobless, compared with 13 per cent of those without.

Niall O’Higgins, an International Labour Organization economist, suggests younger people are also disenchanted with the quality of jobs on offer, and are “lacking prospects for development, workplace training and the ability to build up their options”.

Employers make themselves more attractive, he says, by offering flexibility and support, including “exploring alternatives in terms of organisation of work”. In a survey of Gen Z workers by talent sourcing platform A.Team, 80 per cent said the four-day working week should be the norm, 60 per cent would like a hybrid working model, and half valued training opportunities.

Murphy says nurturing relationships can have a significant impact. “When we asked what young people would change about the world of work, they didn’t ask for big, flashy reforms. They wanted to have more human, understanding managers.” This might include additions like one-to-one catch-ups which are not the norm in all professions.

“I resent the accusation that young people don’t want to work,” Morgan says. “Everyone wants to contribute, but the reward for devoting your time to doing so is no longer worth it in many cases.”

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I know few group leaders that have a fetish over their engineers doing menial work "to learn", but they are idiots that don't realize you don't learn engineering by pushing wheel-carts and you will just get hated by workers for forcing them to do that.
Engineers need to be brutalized properly by manual labour in order to stop them from doing shit like designing a pipe rack with all the valves twenty feet in the air, or designing a plant layout in CAD and putting the access door for a vessel facing up against a wall.

I don't understand why anyone would be a NEET now knowing full well how Western governments hate their own people. They WILL end up cutting Timothy's bennies when the money runs out and Abdul and Rajesh start getting feisty.
 
Everyday I wake up I wish society would collapse and break into micronation waring states so I don't have to go to work. (:_(
 
They have been voting for all this “mismanagement”, have they not?
Nobody voted ‘for’ it. There’s never an opportunity to vote ‘for’ anything beneficial. You’re given an opportunity to vote the current lot out and let the other lot in and they have almost the same set of policies. The only time in recent history we’ve been given a chance to vote ‘for’ something was brexit.
By that logic, we are responsible for the mass immigration, yet I’ve never been offered a chance to vote to stop it.
 
Engineers need to be brutalized properly by manual labour in order to stop them from doing shit like designing a pipe rack with all the valves twenty feet in the air, or designing a plant layout in CAD and putting the access door for a vessel facing up against a wall.
As they say in the car world: "Years ago a mechanic ran off with an engineers wife and ever since then engineers have been trying to get back at mechanics."
 
I worked 15-18 to scrape by and even then it wasn't worth it. Getting guberment gibs put more money in my account for no effort but filing out some papers and I could finish my degree in free(d) time to get a proper job later on.
When you are starting out and you aren't from super rich family with ties, you get nothing but shit jobs and for most of them now they won't even take you in as the market is filled with yeets, so I understand where they are coming from.
Most of these jobs are a total dead end that will wear you out and block all progress you can make to a better place.

Rich friend of mine that his dad was the boss of one of the divisions got his cozy office job before even filling 18 and spend whole day playing games on pc until he didn't even bother to check in at work and got fired two years in by complaints of coworkers that he's not able to do even most basic work. I would kill for something like that back then.
He became a total NEET and simply lives of his fathers cash and goverment aid.

Job market today is completely disadvantageous to kids starting their career. You are simply outcompeeted (outyeeted?) by all the foreigners that lie on resumes with degrees from some bologna college that doesn't even exist, while they mooch on welfare and do a side job selling dope that brings them extra cash.
The market is fake towards all the HR people that think there are plenty of wagecucks that will fill the position, when in reality there's no one actually capable to do the work.
HR will still take in a yeet over a regular guy, because they can pay him less, even if he can't do the job and will just fuck everything up. The only way you can compete is by getting paid same and having more experience/education and so on, meaning, the education to get a better pay is actually worthless, since the bottom line is the same.
It's truly depressing to watch a jeet work. If there's a bunch of them they will devise a retarded system to complete a simple task like taking out the garbage, which will both take an hour and result in the garbage not ending up in the dumpster. If there's one they will just stand in the way in an effort to look busy, not even ask what everyone needs or do something independently but kind of linger in someplace retarded near someone doing work for some reason.
 
Nobody voted ‘for’ it. There’s never an opportunity to vote ‘for’ anything beneficial. You’re given an opportunity to vote the current lot out and let the other lot in and they have almost the same set of policies. The only time in recent history we’ve been given a chance to vote ‘for’ something was brexit.
By that logic, we are responsible for the mass immigration, yet I’ve never been offered a chance to vote to stop it.

I honestly think it has the same root cause as the mass migration. The government budget/debt is only sustainable with a constantly growing population. People stopped having kids, so this has to happen via immigrants.

And yeah, every time someone voted to give out more bennies, they have voted for insolvency and/or mass migration.

Edit: it simply is going to collapse, one way or another. If we resist cutting benefits to old people for too long, they’re simply all going to end up on the streets dying in the cold when the shit hits the fan. If the system they put into place were at all sustainable, we wouldn’t be arguing about this. But it’s not, so we are. Idk what exactly indignant KFers propose to do, but I suppose The Usual People will be on their side shouting any solution down as “mean” right up until the whole thing collapses.
 
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It's truly depressing to watch a jeet work. If there's a bunch of them they will devise a retarded system to complete a simple task like taking out the garbage, which will both take an hour and result in the garbage not ending up in the dumpster. If there's one they will just stand in the way in an effort to look busy, not even ask what everyone needs or do something independently but kind of linger in someplace retarded near someone doing work for some reason.
There has never been an event where you didn't have to go fix something after a yeet and it would take less time to just do it right from the first place. They fucked up stacking concrete tiles and on the other day they started fighting each-other in the warehouse. Motherfuckers were walking barefoot on work site when they were given brand new boots and clothes and other PPE. The worst thing of it all is they completely blow up and destroy toilets. There is yeet shit everywhere. Seat, walls, lid, floor and so on.
You tell them to drill 4 holes into concrete and they can't even drill them straight so every fucking thing is crooked.
 
I disagree. It is absolutely their fault. They have been voting for all this “mismanagement”, have they not?

I don’t think it is a good use of our resources as a society to transfer an ever-increasing share of our output to the elderly. It’ll have to stop somewhere, the whole fkn thing is a Ponzi. We should at least lay it at the feet of those who were there most when it was set up and executed.
I'm sure you'll feel exactly the same when you're elderly and getting shafted out of your pension.
 
The west needs a guaranteed minimum standard of living for each individual that automatically adjusts with inflation. Purchasing power simply needs to keep up or these low-status jobs effectively become slave-class occupations for replacement migrants.
Dead-end jobs that never pay you as much of a real wage as you get your very first paycheck, even with periodic micro-raises, need to be tied to the median 1BR apartment rent in the vicinity of each employer. 1/3rd was always the accepted poverty line. You're then able to save money by compromising your minimum standard of living by living with roommates or in accommodations smaller than a 1BR. Positions of higher status or equal with raises with the firm are tied to an adjusted multiplier of that minimum take-home pay, so it doesn't put out the boomers in any way as long as their income stays steady.
 
It probably has something to do with rent being $3000 a month and you're paying them $2000 a month.

And no boomer "just move to a meth shed in rural west Virginia where there are no jobs" is not a valid solution.
 
People only work to support themselves. No one works for fun. When you can't afford to support yourself by working no one will bother to work. It's that simple. Do something to raise wages up so people can afford to support themselves or do something to bring prices down. It's the only solution.

These people have watched generations of people before them work themselves into early graves and have nothing to show for it. With the amount of time people spend working in the US they should be millionaires. Instead, you have people barely getting by. Surviving and not truly living. 50% of people in the US can't afford a one bedroom apartment. 50% of people making 100,000 a year in the US have no money in their bank accounts.

Turning the country into a service nation has been a total disaster.
 
No, they paid in. Whether the government mismanaged the money isn’t their fault. They worked straight out of school, often left school at 14. They were promised they’d be looked after. They rebuilt the country after the war. We’ve apparently got money to put millions of foreign fighting age men in nice hotels and send millions to foreign wars, and nothing for own elderly? No. We should look after our own cradle to grave. Someone who has worked all their life should not face poverty in their old age.
I fully support confiscating all retirement accounts from boomers and all of the private property they've literally destroyed this country with their terrible social policy so they could get high at Woodstock boomers signed the 1965 immigration act rumours voted for the Civil Rights Act total boomer death
 
There has never been an event where you didn't have to go fix something after a yeet and it would take less time to just do it right from the first place. They fucked up stacking concrete tiles and on the other day they started fighting each-other in the warehouse. Motherfuckers were walking barefoot on work site when they were given brand new boots and clothes and other PPE. The worst thing of it all is they completely blow up and destroy toilets. There is yeet shit everywhere. Seat, walls, lid, floor and so on.
You tell them to drill 4 holes into concrete and they can't even drill them straight so every fucking thing is crooked.
It is night and day how quickly I can complete projects and earn money for my company when I am dealing with white customers instead of Indians. They must have methane poisoning in India from all the cow shit in the air because they will wait until the last minute to make a decision and then every thing is TOP URGENT and then they fight over the invoice afterwards because we needed to send parts express delivery and work additional overtime to meet their horseshit scheduling.
 
Because they were given more attractive options.
Growing up poor teaches you the necessity of work. Work fucking sucks, but being broke and one bad turn from disaster sucks worse. Genuine need cures social anxiety.

Might as well ask "why hunt or gather?"
And the threat of privation motivates like nothing else. It's been the only motivator for all of humanity for most of the time we've been on Earth.

Imagine thinking you can take that way from a person and not destroy them.
 
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