Opinion Yes, it’s fascism - I don't have a screen big enough for this much projection

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Until recently, I resisted using the F-word to describe President Trump. For one thing, there were too many elements of classical fascism that didn’t seem to fit. For another, the term has been overused to the point of meaninglessness, especially by left-leaning types who call you a fascist if you oppose abortion or affirmative action. For yet another, the term is hazily defined, even by its adherents. From the beginning, fascism has been an incoherent doctrine, and even today scholars can’t agree on its definition. Italy’s original version differed from Germany’s, which differed from Spain’s, which differed from Japan’s.

I accepted President Biden’s characterization of the MAGA movement as “semi-fascist” because some parallels were glaringly apparent. Trump was definitely an authoritarian, and unquestionably a patrimonialist. Beyond that, though, the best description seemed to be a psychological one propounded by John Bolton, Trump’s first-term national security adviser: “He listens to Putin, he listens to Xi, he listens to how they talk about governing unburdened by uncooperative legislatures, unconcerned with what the judiciary may do, and he thinks to himself, Why can’t I do that? This doesn’t amount to being a fascist, in my view, [or] having a theory of how you want to govern. It’s just Why can’t I have the same fun they have?”

Writing a year ago, I argued that Trump’s governing regime is a version of patrimonialism, in which the state is treated as the personal property and family business of the leader. That is still true. But, as I also noted then, patrimonialism is a style of governing, not a formal ideology or system. It can be layered atop all kinds of organizational structures, including not just national governments but also urban political machines such as Tammany Hall, criminal gangs such as the Mafia, and even religious cults. Because its only firm principle is personal loyalty to the boss, it has no specific agenda. Fascism, in contrast, is ideological, aggressive, and at least in its early stages, revolutionary. It seeks to dominate politics, to crush resistance, and to rewrite the social contract.

Over Trump’s past year, what originally looked like an effort to make the government his personal plaything has drifted distinctly toward doctrinal and operational fascism. Trump’s appetite for lebensraum, his claim of unlimited power, his support for the global far right, his politicization of the justice system, his deployment of performative brutality, his ostentatious violation of rights, his creation of a national paramilitary police—all of those developments bespeak something more purposeful and sinister than run-of-the-mill greed or gangsterism.

When the facts change, I change my mind. Recent events have brought Trump’s governing style into sharper focus. Fascist best describes it, and reluctance to use the term has now become perverse. That is not because of any one or two things he and his administration have done but because of the totality. Fascism is not a territory with clearly marked boundaries but a constellation of characteristics. When you view the stars together, the constellation plainly appears.

Demolition of norms. From the beginning of his first presidential run in 2015, Trump deliberately crashed through every boundary of civility; he mocked Senator John McCain’s war heroism, mocked fellow candidate Carly Fiorina’s face, seemingly mocked the Fox News host Megan Kelly’s menstruation, slurred immigrants, and much more. Today he still does it, recently making an obscene gesture to a factory worker and calling a journalist “piggy.” This is a feature of the fascist governing style, not a bug. Fascists know that what the American Founders called the “republican virtues” impede their political agenda, and so they gleefully trash liberal pieties such as reason and reasonableness, civility and civic spirit, toleration and forbearance. By mocking decency and saying the unsayable, they open the way for what William Galston has called the “dark passions” of fear, resentment, and especially domination—the kind of politics that shifts the public discourse to ground on which liberals cannot compete.

Glorification of violence. Every state uses violence to enforce its laws, but liberal states use it reluctantly, whereas fascism embraces and flaunts it. Trump thus praises a violent mob; endorses torture; muses fondly about punching, body-slamming, and shooting protesters and journalists; and reportedly suggests shooting protesters and migrants. His recruitment ads for ICE glamorize military-style raids of homes and neighborhoods, his propaganda takes childish delight in the killing of civilians, and we have all seen videos of agents dragging people out of cars and homes—partly because the government films them. Like the demolition of civic decency, the valorization of violence is not incidental to fascism; it is part and parcel.

Might is right. Also characteristic of fascism is what George Orwell called bully-worship: the principle that, as Thucydides famously put it, “the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.” This view came across in Trump’s notorious Oval Office meeting with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, in which Trump showed open contempt for what he regarded as Ukraine’s weakness; it came across very explicitly, and chillingly, when Stephen Miller, the president’s most powerful aide, told CNN’s Jack Tapper: “We live in a world, in the real world, that is governed by strength, that is governed by force, that is governed by power. These are the iron laws of the world that have existed since the beginning of time.” Those words, though alien to the traditions of American and Christian morality, could have come from the lips of any fascist dictator.

Politicized law enforcement. Liberals follow the law whether they like it or not; fascists, only when they like it. Nazism featured a “dual state,” where, at any moment, the protections of ordinary law could cease to apply. Trump makes no secret of despising due process of law; he has demanded countless times that his opponents be jailed (“Lock her up!” chants, with his endorsement, were a prominent feature of his 2016 campaign), and he has suggested the Constitution’s “termination” and said “I don’t know” when asked if he is required to uphold it. His single most dangerous second-term innovation is the repurposing of federal law enforcement to persecute his enemies (and shield his friends). No prior president has produced anything like Trump’s direct and public order for the Justice Department to investigate two former officials, or like his blatantly retaliatory prosecutions of James Comey and Letitia James. “At least 470 people, organizations and institutions have been targeted for retribution since Trump took office—an average of more than one a day,” Reuters reported in November (and today one can add others to the list, beginning with Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell). Had Trump done nothing else, his demolition of independent and apolitical law enforcement would still have moved the U.S. government closer than ever before to a fascistic model.

Dehumanization. Fascism draws its legitimacy from its claims of defending the people from enemies who are animals, criminals, brutes. Trump characterizes (for instance) political opponents as “vermin” and immigrants as “garbage” who are “poisoning the blood of our country” (language straight out of the Third Reich). Vice President Vance, as a senator, endorsed a book called Unhumans (a title that refers to the left). And who can forget his false claim that Haitians abduct and eat pet cats and dogs?

Police-state tactics. Trump has turned ICE into a sprawling paramilitary that roves the country at will, searches and detains noncitizens and citizens without warrants, uses force ostentatiously, operates behind masks, receives skimpy training, lies about its activities, and has been told that it enjoys “absolute immunity.” He more than doubled the agency’s size in 2025, and its budget is now larger than those of all other federal law-enforcement agencies combined, and larger than the entire military budgets of all but 15 countries. “This is going to affect every community, every city,” the Cato Institute scholar David Bier recently observed. “Really almost everyone in our country is going to come in contact with this, one way or the other.” In Minneapolis and elsewhere, the agency has behaved provocatively, sometimes brutally, and arguably illegally—behaviors that Trump and his staff have encouraged, shielded, and sent camera crews to publicize, perhaps in the hope of eliciting violent resistance that would justify further crackdowns, a standard fascist stratagem. Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem’s recent appearance with a sign reading One of ours, all of yours seemed to nod toward another fascist standby, collective punishment—as did the administration’s decision to flood Minneapolis with thousands of officers after residents there began protesting federal tactics, a prioritization that was explicitly retributive.

Undermining elections. Trump’s recent musing that there should be no 2026 election may or may not have been jocular (as the White House has maintained), but he and his MAGA supporters believe they never lose an election, period. They went to great lengths to overturn the 2020 election, as the prosecutor Jack Smith’s indictment of Trump and subsequent report detail ad nauseam. Rigging, stealing, or outright canceling elections is, of course, job one for fascists. Although Trump is term-limited, we must not expect that he and his MAGA loyalists will voluntarily turn over the White House to a Democrat in 2029, regardless of what the voters say—and the second insurrection will be far better organized than the first.

What’s private is public. Classical fascism rejects the fundamental liberal distinction between the government and the private sector, per Mussolini’s dictum: “No individuals or groups outside the State.” Among Trump’s most audacious (if only intermittently successful) initiatives are his efforts to commandeer private entities, including law firms, universities, and corporations. One of his first acts as president last year was to brazenly defy a newly enacted law by taking the ownership of TikTok into his own hands. Bolton understood this mentality when he said, “He can’t tell the difference between his own personal interest and the national interest, if he even understands what the national interest is.”

Attacks on news media. Shortly after taking office in 2017, Trump denounced the news media as “the enemy of the American people,” a phrase familiar from dictatorships abroad. His hostility never relented, but in his second term, it has reached new heights. Trump has threatened broadcast licenses, abused his regulatory authority, manipulated ownership deals, filed exorbitant lawsuits, played favorites with journalistic access, searched a reporter’s home, and vilified news outlets and journalists. Although Trump cannot dominate news media in the United States in the way that Prime Minister Viktor Orbán has done in Hungary, he is running the Orbán playbook. No other president, not even Richard Nixon (no friend of the media), has used such blatantly illiberal tactics against the press.

Territorial and military aggression. One reason I held out against identifying Trumpism with fascism in his first term was Trump’s apparent lack of interest in aggression against other states; if anything, he had seemed shy about using force abroad. Well, that was then. In his second term, he has used military force promiscuously. Of course, many presidents have deployed force; but Trump’s explicitly predatory use of it to grab Venezuela’s oil and his gangster-style threat to take Greenland from Denmark “the easy way” or “the hard way” were from the 1930s authoritarian playbook. The same goes for his contempt for international law, binding alliances, and transnational organizations such as the European Union—all of which impede the state’s unconstrained exercise of its will, a central fascist tenet. (Mussolini: “Equally foreign to the spirit of Fascism … are all internationalistic or League superstructures which, as history shows, crumble to the ground whenever the heart of nations is deeply stirred by sentimental, idealistic or practical considerations.”)

Transnational reach. Like authoritarians generally, fascists love company; the world is safer for them if there are more of them. In his second term, Trump has broken with long-standing U.S. policy by dialing back support for human rights while praising and supporting authoritarian populists and illiberal nationalists in Serbia, Poland, Hungary, Germany, Turkey, El Salvador, and Slovakia, among other places—and by being weirdly deferential to the strongman Russian President Vladimir Putin. Even more striking is his de facto alignment against America’s liberal allies and their parties in Europe, which he holds in contempt.

Blood-and-soil nationalism. A fascist trademark is its insistence that the country is not just a collection of individuals but a people, a Volk: a mystically defined and ethnically pure group bound together by shared blood, culture, and destiny. In keeping with that idea, Trump has repudiated birthright citizenship, and Vance has called to “redefine the meaning of American citizenship in the 21st century” so that priority goes to Americans with longer historical ties: “the people whose ancestors fought in the Civil War,” as he put it, or people whom others on the MAGA right call “heritage Americans.” In other words, some Americans are more volkish than others.

White and Christian nationalism. While Vance, Trump, and MAGA do not propound an explicit ideology of racial hierarchy, they make no secret of pining for a whiter, more Christian America. Trump has found many ways to communicate this: for example, by making clear his disdain for “shithole” countries and his preference for white Christian immigrants; by pointedly accepting white South Africans as political refugees (while closing the door to most other asylum seekers); by renaming military bases to share the names of Confederate generals (after Congress ordered their names removed); by saying that civil-rights laws led to whites’ being “very badly treated.” In his National Security Strategy, he castigates Europe for allowing immigration to undermine “civilizational self-confidence” and proclaims, “We want Europe to remain European,” a rallying cry of white Christian nationalists across the continent. Taking his cue, the Department of Homeland Security has propagated unashamedly white-nationalist themes, and national parks and museums have scrubbed their exhibits of references to slavery.

Mobs and street thugs. The use of militias and mobs to harass, rough up, and otherwise intimidate opponents is a standard fascist stratagem (the textbook example being Hitler’s Kristallnacht pogrom in 1938). As few will need reminding, the Trump-MAGA parallel is the mob and militia violence against the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021. Trump knowingly laid groundwork for this operation, calling on militia forces to “stand back and stand by” in September 2020 and later dog-whistling “Be there, will be wild!” to his supporters. His pardon of all of the Capitol attackers—more than 1,500, including the most violent—only proved what we knew, which is that they had his blessing. While Trump has found state violence adequate to his purposes so far in his second term, street violence is self-evidently in his repertoire.

Leader aggrandizement. Since 2016, when he declared that “I alone can fix it” and bragged that his supporters would remain loyal if he shot someone on Fifth Avenue, Trump has cultivated a personality cult. Although some of his efforts at self-aggrandizement can seem comical (the gilding of the Oval Office, the renaming of the Kennedy Center, the proposed triumphal arch), he understands the centrality of leader worship in a fascist-style regime. In sharp contradistinction to the American presidential tradition since George Washington, he makes no pretense of serving the people or the Constitution. His mindset, his symbolism, and his rhetoric all underscore the point he made to The New York Times this month: his own mind and morality are the only limits on his global power. This is Fascism 101.

Alternative facts. As Orwell, Hannah Arendt, and practically every other scholar of authoritarianism have emphasized, creating a reality-distortion field is the first thing a fascistic government will do, the better to drive its own twisted narrative, confuse the citizenry, demoralize political opponents, and justify every manner of corruption and abuse. While other presidents (including some good ones) have lied, none comes close to Trump’s deployment of Russian-style mass disinformation, as I detail in my book The Constitution of Knowledge. From the start of his first term, Trump has made “alternative facts” a hallmark of his governing style, issuing lies, exaggerations, and half-truths at a rate of 20 a day. Predictably, his second term has brought more of the same. Following his lead, a MAGA-fied postmodern right gleefully trashes objectivity as elitism and truth as a mask for power.

Politics as war. A distinctive mark of fascism is its conception of politics, best captured by Carl Schmitt, an early-20th-century German political theorist whose doctrines legitimized Nazism. Schmitt rejected the Madisonian view of politics as a social negotiation in which different factions, interests, and ideology come to agreement, the core idea of our Constitution. Rather, he saw politics as a state of war between enemies, neither of which can understand the other and both of which feel existentially threatened—and only one of which can win. The aim of Schmittian politics is not to share the country but to dominate or destroy the other side. This conception has been evident in MAGA politics since Michael Anton (now a Trump-administration official) published his famous article arguing that the 2016 election was a life-and-death battle to save the country from the left (a “Flight 93” election: “charge the cockpit or you die”). In the speech given by Stephen Miller at Charlie Kirk’s memorial service, MAGA’s embrace of Schmittian totalism found its apotheosis: “We are the storm. And our enemies cannot comprehend our strength, our determination, our resolve, our passion ... You are nothing. You are wickedness.”

Governing as revolution. Although born in revolution, the American liberal tradition, especially its conservative branch, prizes continuity, stability, and incremental change guided by reason. Fascism, by contrast, “is not reactionary but revolutionary,” as Mussolini insisted. It seeks to uproot and replace the old order and embraces bold, exhilarating action unshackled to rational deliberation. MAGA embraces its own revolutionary ethos, what Russell Vought, the administration’s Office of Management and Budget director and probably its most formidable intellect, has called “radical constitutionalism,” a doctrine that would vitiate many checks on presidential power. In pursuit of this vision, Vought told Tucker Carlson in a November 2024 interview, “The president has to move executively as fast and as aggressively as possible, with a radical constitutional perspective, to be able to dismantle that [federal] bureaucracy and their power centers” because “the bureaucracies hate the American people.” He predicted, “If you have a radical constitutionalism, it’s going to be destabilizing ... But it’s also exhilarating.” He said he would put federal agencies “in trauma,” an idea echoed by Christopher Rufo, an architect of Trump’s attack on universities, which Rufo described as a “counterrevolution blueprint” to put universities “in an existential terror.” As Trump shuttered a congressionally mandated agency, renamed an international body of water, arrested an op-ed writer, deported immigrants to a foreign gulag, terrorized American cities, threatened an ally, and more, he showed how it looks when a radicalized state abandons rational deliberation and goes to war against itself.

One can object that there are elements of classical European fascism that are not found in Trumpism (mass rallies and public rituals, for example)—or that there are additional elements of Trumpism that belong on the list (MAGA’s hypermasculinity, misogyny, and co-option of Christianity all resemble fascist patterns). The exercise of comparing fascism’s various forms is not precise. If historians object that Trump is not a copy of Mussolini or Hitler or Franco, the reply is yes—but so what? Trump is building something new on old principles. He is showing us in real time what 21st-century American fascism looks like.

If, however, Trump is a fascist president, that does not mean that America is a fascist country. The courts, the states, and the media remain independent of him, and his efforts to browbeat them will likely fail. He may lose his grip on Congress in November. He has not succeeded in molding public opinion, except against himself. He has outrun the mandate of his voters, his coalition is fracturing, and he has neglected tools that allow presidents to make enduring change. He and his party may defy the Constitution, but they cannot rewrite it, thank goodness.

So the United States, once the world’s exemplary liberal democracy, is now a hybrid state combining a fascist leader and a liberal Constitution; but no, it has not fallen to fascism. And it will not.

In which case, is there any point in calling Trump a fascist, even if true? Doesn’t that alienate his voters? Wouldn’t it be better just to describe his actions without labeling him controversially?

Until recently, I thought so. No longer. The resemblances are too many and too strong to deny. Americans who support liberal democracy need to recognize what we’re dealing with in order to cope with it; and to recognize something, one must name it. Trump has revealed himself, and we must name what we see.
 
Not fascist


Not too dissimilar from Italian fascism


Also not fascist
Literally wrong on every single point. How one person manages to be this incorrect is a total mystery. A real headscratcher, I tell you. Never seen it before.
 
Literally wrong on every single point. How one person manages to be this incorrect is a total mystery. A real headscratcher, I tell you. Never seen it before.
Tell me your definition of fascism and I'll tell you why you're wrong.
 
Tell me your definition of fascism and I'll tell you why you're wrong.
Listen here, chud. Fascism has a very clear definition. It's everything I don't like. It's not hard. Sorry you're wrong. Maybe educate yourself, simpleton.
 
Listen here, chud. Fascism has a very clear definition. It's everything I don't like. It's not hard. Sorry you're wrong. Maybe educate yourself, simpleton.
Erm... you're the one who is wrong stalker child. Fascism is everything I LIKE. Maybe you should read more theory from proud BLACK thinkers like Sorel and Freda and not make assumptions based on your priviledge.

Enjoy prison, stalker child, and get raped Solzhenitsyn.
 
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Y_zTN4BXvYISo tolerant, very reasonable and civil dialogue from the founding fathers.

Just an FYI, the people who said that were from the glorious liberal democracy of Athens during a war against the fascist government of Sparta. It was written by Athens just before they invaded a neutral city state, killed all the men and enslaved all the women and children for no reason other than them not immediately rolling over and submitting to them.
Thycidides the writer of that history got exiled by Athens and ended up being hosted by the Spartans and their allies, which is why he had good info on both side. The period of that war was characterized by a conflict between democratic governments and oligarchic governments. The Spartans and their allies were not fascist at all. Thycidides was pro-democracy but hated how the system gave retards power in the government and was beholden to a mob that could change its mind on a dime. In that work he clearly prefers democracies with people like Pericles at the helm guiding the people rather than treacherous rabble-rousing shitheads like Alcibiades.
 
" I was retarded on purpose!"
Dude that’s exactly you 75% of the day I just made a sarcastic couple of posts not my fault you took them seriously
Please don’t fight, you two are my barometer for measuring how retarded the situation is. If I can’t gauge the dialogue based on the reactions to your contrarian/bait posts I would have to start reading the articles to form my own opinions.
 
why do people not like John McCain (t.zoomer). Is it because he’s a RINO or did he larp in vietnam?
He's a traitorous blue falcon who stopped the United States from retrieving all American prisoners of war from Vietnam after the war.

Edit: More information on the Forrestal fire and McCain's involvement. Less disputed is he cut and ran instead of staying to help with fighting the fire. More disputed is whether McCain hit the bomb release switch while making his escape. Or the bombs dropped by the Zuni rocket hitting that part of his plane.
 
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why do people not like John McCain (t.zoomer). Is it because he’s a RINO or did he larp in vietnam?
John McCain, from the great maritime state of... Arizona, continually argued for a repeal of the Jones Act to allow jeet-crewed, chink-built ships to trade domestically between US ports.

Also if you're tired of Trump's antagonism towards Iran then whoo boy McCain was about 100 times worse.
 
Be careful what you wish for. It won't turn out the way you think it would.
It would turn exactly as I wish it would, commies and liberals against the wall getting slaughtered wholesale. Hell, let me push the button to release the gas into the chamber, I'll do it gladly.

>inb4 "first they came for..."

You can't even begin to conceive the burning depths of hatred I feel towards the left.
 
Thycidides the writer of that history got exiled by Athens and ended up being hosted by the Spartans and their allies, which is why he had good info on both side. The period of that war was characterized by a conflict between democratic governments and oligarchic governments. The Spartans and their allies were not fascist at all. Thycidides was pro-democracy but hated how the system gave retards power in the government and was beholden to a mob that could change its mind on a dime. In that work he clearly prefers democracies with people like Pericles at the helm guiding the people rather than treacherous rabble-rousing shitheads like Alcibiades.
Athenian democracy was still pretty oligarchic, but the difference between Sparta and Athens really has more to do with enfranchisement.

For all the Cleisthenes, Aristides, and Pericles, you had the Cleons and Alcibiades and those who wished to be them. Downside of democracy.

Still no Fascism, though. Pretty sure you need an actual nation state to even fulfill the basic prerequisite of Fascism. Athens and Sparta do not even qualify from the get go.
 
It would turn exactly as I wish it would, commies and liberals against the wall getting slaughtered wholesale. Hell, let me push the button to release the gas into the chamber, I'll do it gladly.

>inb4 "first they came for..."

You can't even begin to conceive the burning depths of hatred I feel towards the left.
What do you specifically disagree with the left on?
 
why do people not like John McCain (t.zoomer). Is it because he’s a RINO or did he larp in vietnam?
This one got me. Neither photo is mirrored, and when called out on it, McCain claimed that "My left leg was doing extra work to compensate for the boot, so I'm giving it a break," I've never heard of anyone doing that before (then why not just take it off entirely?) and raised more questions than it answered.
 

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I am genuinely surprised that we're still getting more standard "Orange Man Bad" articles like it's 2016. Yes yes yes, drumpf is literally hortler, we have heard it all before. We all wish he was half as bad as he is accused of.

What do you specifically disagree with the left on?
I am not him, but I agree entirely with him on despising "the left" as a whole, though I am more specific by narrowing that down to "progressives" instead. If I were to pick why I disagree with them, it would be the following reasons:

Replacing Whites with violent brown foreigners is a big one. I do not want my people to be replaced. Their open adoration of violent crime, drug use, prostitution, and vagrancy is another big one. Progressives have destroyed almost every major city area with their openly pro criminal policies they implemented to protect browns from consequences. Their open hatred of White people and White nations is also a big one. Every policy they push for is dedicated to undermining and fucking over my kind. Effectively, "the left" wants me broke, dead, my kids raped and brainwashed, and they think it's funny. They don't think America belongs to Americans, but rather it's just a dumping ground for violent brown foreigners to come and prey on the White natives with complete impunity. They are an active existential threat against my people's and my nation's continued existence.
 
Both. He was/is much loved by the segment of Republicans that prefer super clean optics and perceived righteous and moral superiority over Democrats and other Republicans.

There is a very strong though recently weakened strain of conservativism that believes that progressives will inevitably win, so it is best to be respected and celebrated vanquished foes who moderated the worst of progressive policy. Actually implementing conservative policy is anathema as that requires non-compromise and risks bad optics.

The Vietnam veterancy pushback was because McCain (mostly his fans) would use it as a shield from criticism.
Not true.

McCain is a literal swamp monster, a trust fund brat who's military career is entirely lie based (he was given pampered prince treatment by the Vietcong and gave up info) who killed and horribly disfigured dozens in the USS Forestal incident. After he was released, McCain had his daddy have his media friends create a fake narrative for him and paid off people to make him appear as a "brave war hero and POW" and got him into politics, where he was crooked as fuck and damn near got ran out of Congress in disgrace after being implicated in one of the biggest savings and loans scams of the late 80s.

McCain only survived ruin and jail by claiming to have "seen the light" and became a "reformer" and helping pass various finance reform bills, with help from Democrat Senators, who protected him in exchange for McCain being a reliable swing vote whenever Democrats needed to flip a Republican to their side. And McCain sucked a LOT of reporter dick to get them to bury his assorted crimes and lies and present him as both a war hero and a "Maverick".

The full court press in 2000 was entirely due to the media HATING George W Bush and deciding, if there was going to be a Republican President after Clinton, it would be McCain due to him giving them lots of head and the illusion that he would be a moderate. McCain got nuked from orbit by the Bush/Cheney campaign then denied a place in their administration, which only made the press white knight him further... Until it was decided by Bush that they would back him as Bush's successor as a reward for McCain's loyalty to the Bush administration even after they crushed him in 2000. And even then after losing to Obama, they went back to sucking his dick until the day he died.
 
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