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JJLiautaud said:
this is more YAbookish than SWFA
so enjoy Jill detailing severe levels of nonsense:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=sLd7dTqIowg
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Imagine going back to ~2005 and telling people that Harry Potter's fandom would be sent into total upheaval by unsightly men in dresses demanding to be recognized as lesbians and depressed girls hacking off their tits.

EDIT: All of this drama is so, so ... female. Any men involved with this lunacy are either homosexuals or "male feminist" creepazoids.
 
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Mola Ram said:
No, they were definitely bitching about this before the trans insanity consumed everything. This is from all the way back in 2016:


No idea if this broad was an influential HP blogger or not -- it's hard to tell nowadays, because so many of them have either legitimately outgrown HP or cast JKR into the outer darkness for blasphemy -- but I remember seeing these arguments circulating back then, and even earlier re: the goblins in their movie portrayal (apparently there's a six pointed star on the floor of Gringotts, which is simply a coincidence because the scene was filmed in an actual historic building that featured that symbol).

Back then, I think it was just regular old "I'm smarter than everyone else because I found something incredibly trivial to get into high dudgeon about" of the kind you saw when the younger HP crowd got to college and decided they had to prove they were much more intelligent than you even though their favorite literature was a children's book.
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Briefly before JK Rowling came out as a "terf", it seemed like she was actually going down the woke route, specifically with trying to make Dumbledore gay without giving any hints to it in the book, and then making "Hermione could have been black." So there was a few brief parodies on Tumblr and I even saw one on Youtube of explicitly making mentions of a random characters trans. (I don't know if its still up, if someone knows what video I'm talking about, thanks.) She was already being made fun of by the "woke" crowd, and so the Cho Chang/goblin controversies started going into the light. This wasn't even unique to JK, as Tumblr could, and would tear any piece of media apart for being problematic, regardless of the work's politics or the author's politics. I thought that after the woke pandering, she would eventually become completely irrelevant as a public figure, even with Harry Potter being the embedded cultural icon it was.

Then she got explicit on her opinions on trans people and suddenly the narrative changed extremely quickly. She was no longer a pandering to SJWs while having problematic characters, but a transphobic conservative. The Dumbledore gay pandering eventually got memory holed and it all turned into how liking her made her guilty by association. At first, this was mostly online but then when institutional capture happened, hating JK seemed to become more of the default opinion. She never became irrelevant, and instead she always gets talked about. I don't think this was some initial 4D chess move of JK but I do think she did at least start rolling with the anti-trans thing for publicity.

This is all from memory, I did not look anything up but I'm pretty sure its accurate. I don't even care about Harry Potter. But no one will ever shut up about it. I used to miss when the most controversial thing about HP was fans yelling SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE to piss off people who hadn't caught up. But over the years I've gotten used to the trans drama, and the failures to ever truly cancel JK in a way that matters.
 
Super Mario Brothers said:
Briefly before JK Rowling came out as a "terf", it seemed like she was actually going down the woke route, specifically with trying to make Dumbledore gay without giving any hints to it in the book, and then making "Hermione could have been black."
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Oh, JKR was a bog standard UK progressive feminist, unquestionably. She had some nasties to spew about Trump (at least one of which ended up embarrassing her for inaccuracy, though it was so long ago I no longer remember the details), which is something she doesn't do much these days, though I'm sure she's not a fan. In fact, a lot of less sympathetic righties will say that it was the lifelong progressivism and "women are just like men" feminism of people like her that allowed the trans thing to happen in the first place, and scoff at the inflexible stance she's taken on the issue. (I think this is useless, frankly; the trans thing requires all hands on deck to fight, even people you might not agree with 99% of the time.)

As far as the books themselves, I do think the gay Dumbledore thing didn't come out of nowhere. I remember on my first read of the Deathly Hallows asking a few friends if they thought Dumbledore was meant to be gay, and I was told I was nuts. But it's really all there: the relationship with Grindelwald is absolutely something that reads as romantic rather than mere friendship, and his obituary, written by a male wizard, mentions their "mutual attraction," which is not a phrase you use with your drinking buddies.

The question for me is whether that decision was made at the time she wrote the last book, or if it was something she'd come up with before then. Harry Potter, whatever you might think of it, is a meticulously planned series of books ... but there are a number of places where it's clear she invented new things for new installments, so either of these scenarios is entirely plausible.

I would guess Dumbledore's private life had been decided around the time she wrote book 4, which to me seems to be the place she had at least roughly plotted out all the remaining volumes and how the second war was going to play out.
 
Mola Ram said:
EDIT: All of this drama is so, so ... female. Any men involved with this lunacy are either homosexuals or "male feminist" creepazoids.
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That was my thought. And to generalize things, it is kind of funny how even when women do manage to do something other women seemingly go out of their way to tear it all down. Like there's a biological imperative in the ol' XX chromosomes or something.

The refund issue was particularly ridiculous. They were up front about not granting any, did nothing I'd consider fraudulent or even misleading. The only email I'd send is something like "tough titty said the kitty," and leave it at that.
 
So I came across this wonderful video:


The "we support each others hobbies" line cracks me up. "Porn is my hobby" is not something I'd ever say to a spouse let alone to the whole internet, but hey, if it works for them.

The book is Between Two Kings, sequel to Kiss of the Basilisk, and part of the Spit or Swallow series.

From Good Reads:
From internet sensation and Amazon bestseller Lindsay Straube comes the second book in the sexy, biting Split or Swallow series, featuring dangerous basilisks, competitive seduction, and a love triangle that could destroy kingdoms.
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Amazon is even better:
***The instant New York Times bestseller!***

From internet sensation and bestseller Lindsay Straube comes the second book in the sexy, biting Split or Swallow series, featuring dangerous basilisks, competitive seduction, and a love triangle that could destroy two kingdoms.

Tem never thought she'd fall in love. But now she's caught between the Serpent King and the newly crowned human king . . . And the war that is brewing between the basilisks and the humans.

Tem led a simple life on the family chicken farm, but now, her eyes had been opened-to love, to lust, to the pull of power, gold, obligation, and the violence of greed and war.

When Tem embraced her basilisk half and crested Leo, she thought she'd set him free. Though it nearly broke her, now he could find his first love again, and she could be happy with Caspen.

But love is complicated. As much as Tem embraces her serpent side, rules and loopholes keep her beholden to Leo . . . despite her marriage to Caspen.

And Tem and Leo's desire continues to smoulder . . . desire that could set the entire kingdom on fire.
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I'm just so glad women can have their hobbies... How else would we get this hilarity. :lol:
 
World Famous Quasi Payer said:
The "we support each others hobbies" line cracks me up.
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He said that line like it was a hostage video. And he's just grimacing in the background the whole time. Bleak.

World Famous Quasi Payer said:
part of the Spit or Swallow series
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what are we even doing here anymore man
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Elwood P. Dowd said:
That was my thought. And to generalize things, it is kind of funny how even when women do manage to do something other women seemingly go out of their way to tear it all down. Like there's a biological imperative in the ol' XX chromosomes or something.

The refund issue was particularly ridiculous. They were up front about not granting any, did nothing I'd consider fraudulent or even misleading. The only email I'd send is something like "tough titty said the kitty," and leave it at that.
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Women sabotaging women is a very known phenomenon, they even made research on it and the results supported the fact that it exists. A lot of it stems from sexual competition that because of the way society is structured transformed into professional and social competitions as well
 
Mola Ram said:
As far as the books themselves, I do think the gay Dumbledore thing didn't come out of nowhere. I remember on my first read of the Deathly Hallows asking a few friends if they thought Dumbledore was meant to be gay, and I was told I was nuts. But it's really all there: the relationship with Grindelwald is absolutely something that reads as romantic rather than mere friendship, and his obituary, written by a male wizard, mentions their "mutual attraction," which is not a phrase you use with your drinking buddies.
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Dumbledore being retconned gay isn't the part that kills me, it's that his gay lover was unironically wizard Hitler.

All the other JK retcons were so... silly and unimportant? Like the one jewish wizard being named "Shlomo Goldberg" or whatever and wizards canonically just shitting on the ground and magic-ing it away instead of using toilets for centuries, stuff like that. It was all just funny.

But making Dumbledore canonically get his pipes cleaned out by the Harry Potter universe's Goebbels on the other hand was so beyond the pale that it just came off as bizarre.
 
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I've been considering starting a novel lately. It's gonna have a female main character with super powerful secret powers that are also super illegal so she has to hide them. but then she uses her powers to save the morally grey prince's life! at first he tries to kill her because he's also the Grand Inquisitor of the Killing Women With Secret Powers Society, but she's just so dang cool that they eventually fall in love and save the world together. also they have a lot of sex. The title will be Enemies and Lovers, and the cover will be an illustration of a magic forest. And yes, edges WILL be sprayed. I'd talk more about it but I just got offered $750k to write 3 more books in this series. Unfortunately they will somehow be worse than the first but I got paid so whatever.
 
gaysexenjoyer said:
But making Dumbledore canonically get his pipes cleaned out by the Harry Potter universe's Goebbels on the other hand was so beyond the pale that it just came off as bizarre.
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I read it as unrequited, but I see your point. Then again, it does explain why Dumbledore never sought real power: after coming to his senses, he knew he couldn't be trusted with power.
 
Elite Kipchak said:
I'd talk more about it but I just got offered $750k to write 3 more books in this series. Unfortunately they will somehow be worse than the first but I got paid so whatever.
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Living the dream. If you play your cards right, you'll get a tv show, and then not have to finish the series.
 
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