Xbox Game Studios Stupidity Hate Thread Game Pass Edition

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I’ve never seen a company so willing to run their product into the ground like Microsoft. Like it has to be malice at this point, right?
Microsoft wants out. I've thought this for a while and now I'm convinced of it.

At *best* they're willing to keep publishing games since they spent so much fucking money on dev studios, I'd say *maybe* they're at least willing to see how a few Call of Dutys do as well as Elder Scrolls VI.

But corporate doesn't want anything to do with consoles anymore, and I think they've realized the past decade has pushed games to be way too expensive and way too time consuming to make to have any sort of subscription system worthwhile.

Like if they could get a major game out every month, sure. But like...they can't even get a yearly Forza game out now. And the stuff they do get out is middling at best. What even were the last major games form Microsoft? Starfield and that Vampire game? Do we want to count Black Ops 6? Oblivion Remastered maybe?
 
The wheels are really coming off now. MS apparently lost $300m on Black Ops 6.

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Honestly, I think they're telegraphing something here.
I know you're being sarcastic here (at least partially), but I could've sworn some Microsoft higher-up actually said as much about a year ago -- that they actively want out of the hardware business again to just sell the brand as a software platform instead.

Which is fucking retarded, since they've had a gaming platform for 45 fucking years already, which has gone through a variety of brand names including MS-DOS, Windows, Windows NT, Windows 95, Windows XP, Windows 7, Windows Vista, Windows 8, Windows 10 and Windows 11, and they let an ex-employee go and create Valve to claim that platform instead because they were too stupid to do it themselves.

Shame they're almost thirty years too late to the party though. Valve successfully monetized Windows PCs for gaming with no real restrictions. There's no room for a Microsoft-flavored Apple-style walled garden "platform" there anymore.

Seriously though, do you guys think whoever Gabe Newell's manager was back when he worked at MS ever realized he indirectly helped Steam get off the ground (costing Microsoft an absurdly lucrative market) by not giving him good enough raises to keep him at the company and kicks himself in the balls for it sometimes?
 
Xbox consoles are now getting a fullscreen Xbox Game Pass Ultimate ad at boot, just a day after a 50% price hike was announced,

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Just got it today.

Good, maybe sell more wacky cosmetics and buy more celebrity endorsements.
 
Banned from shit talking, games are 70 fucking dollars, no actual real exclusives, 600 dollar brick, and so much more... Why should I keep my brick and why should I upgrade to Windows 11?
They are in for another shocker when BO7 flops
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So the loss of $300M is being passed on to the consumer via price hike. Nice.
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because they were too stupid to do it themselves
Not just stupid, but wilfully antagonistic towards PC players, treating us like second-class citizens and shitting on us at every opportunity.

I still remember GFWL and all the other PC "initiatives" that genuinely felt like someone had forced the MS employees to do the bare minimum to shut the filthy peasants up.

How the mighty have fallen.

I pray the downfall of MS's gaming division takes down all the developers they bought up as well. There's nothing worth salvaging from the wreckage.
 
That's what happens when you take a $70 product and offer it in a $15 subscription fee. I can't believe Microsoft executives were dumb enough to think this would make them more money.
Dang, Xbox itself accounts for 300 million in sales for Call of Duty?

To think some people thought it was insane that they'd offer Call of Duty on Playstation after buying Activision instead of using it as a way to sell Xboxes.
 
Man I had a feeling that when one of the Treyarch devs was worried about COD fatigue....

Even under MS I bet if thr next Call of Duties that are in active development flop that they will hit the Activision cycle that they have somehow avoided since inception. Games spammed so much that when the ride is over the series is over. I would guess that it would be less like Guitar Hero though where it would be completely dead but more like Tony Hawk where we will get lame re releases and remakes of the "greatest hits".

I initially thought COD was in a position more like Madden or FIFA, but this kind of proves that sports fans are actually retarded if they continue trucking along with no changes yet people start ignoring COD
 
I initially thought COD was in a position more like Madden or FIFA, but this kind of proves that sports fans are actually retarded if they continue trucking along with no changes yet people start ignoring COD
The thing about sports games is that the sports themselves don't actually change all that much over the span of a decade apart from team rosters, coaches, names and cities. The mechanics of the sports themselves don't change much at all barring the occasional rule change, which still generally takes years of pressure and deliberation by whatever league/club/body is in charge of it before it finally applies a change.

That's not to say it's "repetitive and boring," because obviously sports and sports games are massively fucking popular, just that you really can get away with shipping practically the same game to fans every single year just with the updated number and rosters and it's okay because that's a pretty damn close match to the real sport itself. Maybe there's an engine tweak or control scheme update to make the game play better or something, or the graphics improve or get refreshed or whatever, but niggling details aside football from 40 years ago is still basically the same as the football that's played today.

COD and Battlefield cast a much wider net and can do a lot more to be "different" with each release -- there's lots of IRL settings (Civil War, Spanish War, War of 1812, WW1, WW2, Vietnam, Korea, Iraq/Afghanistan, etc.) and with hundreds of real countries in the world there's countless fictional settings to dream up to set a war in, tons of equipment and timeframe options, real and fictional stories to spin, real and fictional characters to draw from, etc. Then there's other planets and shit too if they really want to go nuts. The stories themselves don't even have to make a lot of sense or be more than "just barely" connected -- how long have modern soap operas been running, to immense popularity?

Sports fans keep on trucking because they enjoy the game and the game doesn't really change much. COD and BF going "stale" is a baffling failure of creativity and talent. "Run around and shoot stuff" is time-tested classic game stuff. If you can't keep cranking out different "generic but fun war story game [current year]" you've got a braindead staff of creatively bankrupt morons.

Remember that South Park (ugh) gag of how Family Guy generates its scripts? Some fuckin' whales or something pick idea balls out of a pool and they just madlib them together into a script? That's literally all they have to do for COD. Pick a setting, a tech level, a plot theme, a Big Bad, and a Good Guy™. Then pick plot beats and elements out of a fucking bingo ball hopper, stitch it together, get it voice acted, put some Le Epic Orchestra™ music to it, and assuming you haven't fucked up anything technical (crashes, visual glitches, a gun so bad it angers the realism spergs, etc.), you've got a fun game. Mostly because the set dressing isn't critically important anyway -- it's not Halo or Mass Effect, it's "just" COD. You're running around and shooting stuff.

It's a soap opera with guns, how the fuck are they having trouble spinning out new ones?
 
The hits just keep on coming, no more discounts for DLC :story:

After Microsoft decided to jack up the price of its Xbox Game Pass subscriptions to up to $30 a month, it has another unwelcome surprise for members. In a statement provided to multiple outlets, a spokesperson for Microsoft confirmed it has removed the discounts for DLC that come with a Game Pass subscription.
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To be honest, I doubt Game Pass was very profitable for them in the first place. The deal really was too good to be true. It’s more like Game Pass was a loss leader, and they’re trying to stop the bleeding. But as it turns out, the model just isn’t sustainable, and it’s cheaper to go full PC as a gamer.
I still remember some, even in this thread iirc, firmly believing gamepass was the greatest shit ever because they could play the latest AAA for buying a sub for a buck from brazil. how's that turning out?

the model is only sustainable capturing like 70% of the market so people have to go through them, at which point they can just raise prices and people are fucked. same idea plenty of companies have - till the VC money runs out.

Everything Xbox does now feels like sleazy used car salesman bullshit.
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I saw this write up on reddit and thought it interesting

To reduce the brand to nothing more than unnecessary expenses that don't add the necessary value to Microsoft's portfolio of products. They are no strangers to shutting down projects, and Xbox is the clear next victim. The current developments on Xbox's downfall are all part of two things:

1- A desperate, 100% business-oriented strategy to make up for the colossal Bethesda and Activision purchases. Nadella, the board and the shareholders probably set a very, very short ROI pipeline, unreal even, and the brand is being sacrificed to recover that investment ASAP.

2- A filthy plan to sabotage the division from high up, making it justifiable to shut it down considering the manufacturing, marketing, logistics and support costs of having Xbox as hardware.

You can no longer officially purchase Xbox consoles in many parts of the world, and even when you can, you have the Series S costing the same (or almost as much) as a PS5 digital, and the Series X cost an absurd amount of money (going as high as $800 for the 2TB version).

Add to that the fact that it no longer has exclusive games, as all are being ported to PlayStation in the future (as some already released games are as well).

9k+ employees fired and multiple studios being shutdown, with projects canceled left and right.

Then, the final nail in the coffin, with Xbox's current only USP, Gamepass, getting a 50% raise in cost (100% increase in places like Brazil), and seeing a major drop in subscribers.

It's a matter of time until they deem the whole Xbox division as unprofitable and shut it down. It's a bold move, to sabotage your own company in order to cut costs and recover investment money, but it is being done. They'll remain as publishers, and offer a service or two (maybe Gamepass and XCloud), but the console division is very likely, most definitely, dead.

And about the handheld and statements of a next-gen console: those aren't indicative of anything. MS is not afraid of backtracking and giving up on things. They've shown this time and time again, with Zune, Windows Phone, Kinect, even the exclusive games on the console itself.

My take is that the Xbox console we all know and love is done, as Microsoft will have their way, cutting supposed losses and just keeping their main studios active for multiplatform publishing, with Bethesda and Activion on that boat as well.
 
Can I just chime in briefly to say that -- as a very early Linux adopter and someone who's spent a career hearing (and pushing back against) Microsoft's bullshit FUD spread against it and open-source competition -- I utterly delight in watching Microsoft lose this much fucking money trying and failing to muscle its way into a market.
 
You can no longer officially purchase Xbox consoles in many parts of the world, and even when you can, you have the Series S costing the same (or almost as much) as a PS5 digital, and the Series X cost an absurd amount of money (going as high as $800 for the 2TB version).
If I want an Xbox Series X it's going for as low as $488 CAD on ebay.ca, probably less on local listings. If I want to buy it new it's $729.99, so of course nobody is going to stock it because who is going to buy it for that much when used is so much cheaper.
 
So I'm seeing a lot of the news around the pricing hikes and they spend everyday making it worse right? We're talking no discounts anymore, ads appearently being integrated into the experience (etc). I get the feeling this is them boiling the frog too quick on purpose to then reduce the heat later and make out they "Listened to the community and fans..." but they'll only do a couple of changes back whilst still being shitty regardless.

Real shame to see Xbox do this though, they had been heralded as the good guys.
 
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