WWE Champions General - Despite his claims, DSP is still spending thousands of dollars on the WWE Champions mobile game

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johnkimble123 said:
If this is him talking about TheyCallMeDSP/TheGunShow84/DFTR in May 2020, that confirms that the WWE Champions account with all the spending was under his control through the bankruptcy and after it too.

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Expanding on this, Phil admits he was the one that came up with the name change DFTR in this clip. The name change from GunShow to DFTR was around June 12th 2020. After that, there was a period of him hopping through many different guilds before promptly being kicked out. Still looking into this some more. IF he did sell the account I think that it most likely would have been around July 2020. I need to do some more research, but it's getting late. I would like to pin down when exactly he joined Sons of Smackdown. I don't believe he actually sold the account, but if he did it would probably be around the time he joined his current guild.


 
Cyber Bowling said:
Phil is also pretty famous for not going through the effort of selling anything, usually citing the same "muh family" excuse. The best example is probably his condo, which he needlessly paid thousands of dollars on every year, but even pre-bankruptcy, both dents/detractors suggested selling all the collectable crap he had laying around, but he'd say he couldn't because people would know it was him and troll him, even if he made a new account name etc.
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I mean this is the biggest tell of all. When was the last time he did a genuine emergency stream for some particular thing (taxes or whatever)? I can't even remember. But the idea that he sold this account in particular out of everything else he could've sold is simply not at all believable.

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obligatory picture of DSP crying while wearing a hat that's worth like $200 or the streamdeck that has been sitting in his cupboard for years

How much does anyone even think he could've even gotten for the account? $500? maybe $1000 if he was really, really lucky? He wouldn't sell his old condo when it was costing him tons of money out of the ass nor even go to the hassle of renting it out and we're to believe that he sold this account in particular.
 
I’ve said it before, but anyone who has experience with the fomo or general addiction of gachas, there’s literally no way Phil would sell his account just to keep playing on a fresh one. People don’t sell whaled out accounts unless they are 100% done with a game and want to move on, Phil is clearly not that
 
So wait, his solution was to lie in a way that he CANT play with DownFromtheRafters on the Champions streams?

Stupid pig.
 
shekelshoah666 said:
He is lost in his own lies at this point. He looks worse then ever at this point.
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I'm pretty sure there were log-ins during his piss breaks this year.
neger psykolog said:
I mean this is the biggest tell of all. When was the last time he did a genuine emergency stream for some particular thing (taxes or whatever)? I can't even remember. But the idea that he sold this account in particular out of everything else he could've sold is simply not at all believable.

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obligatory picture of DSP crying while wearing a hat that's worth like $200 or the streamdeck that has been sitting in his cupboard for years

How much does anyone even think he could've even gotten for the account? $500? maybe $1000 if he was really, really lucky? He wouldn't sell his old condo when it was costing him tons of money out of the ass nor even go to the hassle of renting it out and we're to believe that he sold this account in particular.
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I looked at the sites where these accounts are sold like 4 years ago and while there were accounts listed in the $400-$1000 range the only ones that had completed sales were like $300 and below and those accounts were with mega whaled-out stats like Phil's.
 
Just to point something out here. The reason why most games like these prohibit selling or exchanging of accounts is not just because the company want to be fags, but because if they allow accounts or items to have any resale value then it causes huge legal problems for the company and can end up with them being sued by the government if they turn a blind eye to it or allow it.

But I'm only mentioning this fact because it is hugely funny that he plays a game that expressly restricts accounts from being resold to such an extent that it reinforces that no matter how much money he has put into it, it is 100% factually and fully worthless in value.

And the reason why resold accounts go for such a low amount is because of this, you can't extract any real value from an account that has had thousands of dollars spent on it and most importantly you can't sell/trade individual items from accounts.

If you look at the accounts for sale here: https://www.playerup.com/accounts/wwechampionsaccount/ there is no way an account like his wouldn't stick out or raise attention. And despite what people have said here, selling game accounts on ebay is prohibited by their policies and they do actually actively monitor for things like it.

Prince Lotor said:
I looked at the sites where these accounts are sold like 4 years ago and while there were accounts listed in the $400-$1000 range the only ones that had completed sales were like $300 and below and those accounts were with mega whaled-out stats like Phil's.
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And people can list accounts for whatever they want them at, that does not mean that they will actually sell. I can imagine a game that is as homosexual and as embarrassing as a wrestling themed candy crush clone that there is that much of a market for the accounts. From everything I saw about the players who got doxed in various factions they were all boomers and not zoomers.
The idea that some guy in his 40s is going to try and buy a 2nd hand account or have the knowledge for it is too far fetched. There are no young people joining this game like you might have in PUBG or League of Legends or Fortnite.

Look at these few sites:
The most recent listings I could find were in the first link but there are very few of them.
 
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neger psykolog said:
How much does anyone even think he could've even gotten for the account? $500? maybe $1000 if he was really, really lucky? He wouldn't sell his old condo when it was costing him tons of money out of the ass nor even go to the hassle of renting it out and we're to believe that he sold this account in particular.
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I think if we're being really generous, $500-600, based on what some people said from trying to find account sales. Buuuut, if we're pretending Phil's story is true and he didn't actually whale out as much as we claimed, it'd be significantly less. As far as I know he was vague about specifics because he sucks at lying. But for the sake of pretend, lets say he "only" put in a few thousand dollars over the years, which is probably more than he'd ever even admit to. I think he'd be lucky to get around the $100-150 range.

It's also pretty shady and arguably way riskier than listing some of his old electronics or collectables on an anonymous ebay account. I'm sure there are some specific items that would be linked to Phil, but we've definitely seen some unopened electronics that if a random ebay account listed wouldn't be traceable to Phil and would ultimately get him more money for the supposed emergency.

It just makes no sense and falls apart the longer you take to think about it when you realize yet another hole in the story.
 
We just watched a multiple hours video of him constantly lying and getting busted, him admitting not telling the truth for 7 years, him thinking the jasper scam was funny, but this guys... THIS IS THE TRUTH! "Why would I lie?" Also providing zero evidence when he could.

Nah, I believe the phantom pushups before this.
 
Cyber Bowling said:
I think if we're being really generous, $500-600, based on what some people said from trying to find account sales. Buuuut, if we're pretending Phil's story is true and he didn't actually whale out as much as we claimed, it'd be significantly less. As far as I know he was vague about specifics because he sucks at lying. But for the sake of pretend, lets say he "only" put in a few thousand dollars over the years, which is probably more than he'd ever even admit to. I think he'd be lucky to get around the $100-150 range.

It's also pretty shady and arguably way riskier than listing some of his old electronics or collectables on an anonymous ebay account. I'm sure there are some specific items that would be linked to Phil, but we've definitely seen some unopened electronics that if a random ebay account listed wouldn't be traceable to Phil and would ultimately get him more money for the supposed emergency.

It just makes no sense and falls apart the longer you take to think about it when you realize yet another hole in the story.
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I mean everyone knows this is bullshit anyway because any answer other than:
"yes, that was my account but I completely stopped playing"
is total bullshit. Him adding that he sold the account could be interesting, but the fact that he adds to all of this that he created another account just shows he is completely full of shit.

Not only that, but as someone mentioned (I can't find the quote) this lie means that he is admitting to having whaled on three separate accounts.
 
Sven said:
Wasn't he bragging about how he had a really old discontinued character in his roster on his private account during the WWEC stream, if Scoply hasn't discontinued anything in a long enough time that the last instance predates all his stories that alone would bust the whole sold the account BS.
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Yes, if you are referencing the same stream I am thinking of, it was a "Vince" variant that is no longer obtainable in game.
 
He's just wrapped up more lies into his initial lies, this is extremely on brand for Phil.

And we can see on the bank leaks how accurate TJGamebox's spending estimates are.
 
neger psykolog said:
Not only that, but as someone mentioned (I can't find the quote) this lie means that he is admitting to having whaled on three separate accounts.
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Yeah, that's part of what's so funny to me is that, by trying to lie about it, Phil somehow managed to make himself look worse than if he just admitted it was his account. All because he's too stubborn to admit that the detractors were right.
 
neger psykolog said:
And people can list accounts for whatever they want them at, that does not mean that they will actually sell. I can imagine a game that is as homosexual and as embarrassing as a wrestling themed candy crush clone that there is that much of a market for the accounts. From everything I saw about the players who got doxed in various factions they were all boomers and not zoomers.
The idea that some guy in his 40s is going to try and buy a 2nd hand account or have the knowledge for it is too far fetched. There are no young people joining this game like you might have in PUBG or League of Legends or Fortnite.

Look at these few sites:
The most recent listings I could find were in the first link but there are very few of them.
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I would like to add for people who are not familiar with selling game accounts, the amount you can expect to get out of them is extremely low. You are not getting anywhere close to a 1:1 return on your time or money.

This is a sold listing for a VIP 13 account with a 9.6m roster score, which is about what DSP's account had one year ago and it went for 500 bucks. The value on these accounts is completely subjective, but at the beginning of 2020 the account was at around VIP 12 with 1.33m roster score, so even if you were to believe he really did sell it he would have gotten jack shit for it. Accounts for games that are 100x more popular than WWEC with similar amounts of money invested into them do not sell for more than one or two thousand bucks.
 
neger psykolog said:
I mean everyone knows this is bullshit anyway because any answer other than:
"yes, that was my account but I completely stopped playing"
is total bullshit. Him adding that he sold the account could be interesting, but the fact that he adds to all of this that he created another account just shows he is completely full of shit.

Not only that, but as someone mentioned (I can't find the quote) this lie means that he is admitting to having whaled on three separate accounts.
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It's a typical Phil lie. On it's face it may answer the current question, but all it does is open him up to more questions. He either spent thousands of dollars on the DownFromTheRafters account to give it value, or he spent nothing and his account would be worthless, so why go through the effort of selling it at all?

This is why he always admits shit on his stream, rather than when outright asked. He needs to give himself (apparently) years to come up with an unconvincing lie for the pretty easy follow-up questions.
 
RuthBaderGinsburg said:
Yes, if you are referencing the same stream I am thinking of, it was a "Vince" variant that is no longer obtainable in game.
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Very Honest Content said:
He sure was. Some discontinued Vince McMahon sweatyman.jpg. Phil would let that guy shit in his hair any day, and twice on reACKt days.
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I just watched that part again and he never claims to have that on his other super secret new personal account. He just explains that Vince isn't in the loot pool anymore but if you have him you can still use him.
I think the Vince McMahon being removed from the game would be from January 2024? Not sure, but I don't think this in specific would really pin him down on anything he just lied about.

On another note, absolute bare minimum 100% dead to rights for sure Phil spent $40K on this game between April 2018 to February 2020. Phil spent $20K a year on this when he was begging for taxes, and when he took thousands from his mom after his wedding to pay his taxes, and during the entire insane 2018 'Save the House' begging, and in the months he was setting up filing for bankruptcy, etc.

He had a pattern of spending $20K a year on this game and the bank leaks show him spending $44K during 18 months on mobile games.

Phil is full fucking delusional, and the same scummy scamming lying shit-bag he has always been. Phil was yelling at the camera tonight that because his lies were able to convince a judge everyone is required to accept his word as truth without a shred of evidence. Sound good?
 
myone said:
As someone who brought up the idea that DSP might've sold the account before as a hypothetical, I feel dumb now because I might've given him the idea for his newest lie. It's a good excuse for him though, because it's a legitimate reason to keep lying about everything.

I don't really buy it though. Would a sold account really survive the login streak? I haven't watched yet, when does he claim to have sold it? We need exact dates. I'm gonna check up on his streams later...
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It's not a good excuse.

His whole point was that the risk (to him and his family) of showing the account was that detractors will use that name to hack/crack/harass other accounts with the same name.

So, what's the reasoning behind not being able to show the account back then? Why couldn't he show Craig?
I have not watched the full thing yet, this excuse is filled with holes.
 
DSP won't sell any figurines or gaming memorabilia because trolls would find the auction listing and ruin it for him.

However DSP will sell his WWE champions account in a black market, at the same time the account is under intense scrutiny from the autistic illuminati of KiwiFarms.

This is yet another stepping stone on the way to the actual truth.
 
johnkimble123 said:
If this is him talking about TheyCallMeDSP/TheGunShow84/DFTR in May 2020, that confirms that the WWE Champions account with all the spending was under his control through the bankruptcy and after it too.
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He claims to have come up with the DFTR moniker, that name was assigned after the meeting with the creditors (which happened by the end of March, 2020), so it is confirmed.

Archives of Discord servers support this as well.
Need Help With Tips said:
I went and pulled up the WWEC interview, DSP claims his current account name is used in a lot of other accounts he uses and he doesn't want detractors trying to find him on other services/games, and his reason for not showing Craig was that he's afraid Craig would leak it. These days he still says he can't show his actual account because trolls will use it to hurt him, so that part is at least consistent.
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But he was asked earlier to show his name in the game before the name changes, so his reasoning is inconsistent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJ6fJRTK53o&t=3509s
In this stream (uploaded at January 17, 2020), he provides this excuse, that the trolls will search for this new name, but this date is before the first namechange to "TheGunShow84", which happened no later than May 29, 2020.
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Dirty Carpet Nug said:
The name change from GunShow to DFTR was around June 12th 2020
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Must have happened before June 5th, 2020, as LightSydePaul acquired "TheGunShow84" around that date.
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https://archive.ph/5wWkx

The archives pertaining to Scareglow prove that at the very least, it was his account until 16 June, 2020 and later:
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