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Looks about the standard of a sub-Saharan African hospital, complete with staff shortage, no doubt. Wonder where they sourced the bedlinen from - looks like it's been snatched off some poor bastards' beds in the night. Unless this colourful, mismatched style is normal in PRC?
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Watching China's government fuck its people over seven ways to sunday is the most depressing part of this thread tbh. While the virus itself and virus spread sucks ass, ain't nothing like the CCP dropping the ball in their homeland.
Edit: each time i check the thread masterlists it feels like the CCP or local government divisions out-exceptionaled their previous exceptional move. A cavalcade of stupidity, greed, and incompetence.
Edit: each time i check the thread masterlists it feels like the CCP or local government divisions out-exceptionaled their previous exceptional move. A cavalcade of stupidity, greed, and incompetence.
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A true hero of the steppes.
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Between the youth in the cities resolutely shitposting and meming over the CCP in the face of both viral apocalypse and government arrest/punishment, and the older generation in the villages going full Warlord like this, my grudging respect for the non boomer-bugmen chink population is growing immensely
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Stopping steel beasts from delivering to his community a dangerous and potentially bio-engineered super virus, all while using only his ancestor's means of doing so; horseback combat.
We can see here that masks won't help, instead the golden standard of safety is going fucking medieval.
This is gonna to be a good future, I think.
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Gave the CCP credit due to the syntax of the document and the political nature of the accusations.
Entirely possible it was written by a Chinese shitposter.
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How dare youThe US House of Representatives held hearings on the coronavirus outbreak; there public health experts argued that travel restrictions and quarantining measure would only hinder the virus's spread, that "by instituting travel bans and quarantines targeting travellers from China, the US was “effectively penalising” the country for reporting cases, adding that such actions could diminish Beijing’s willingness to share data and discourage other countries from being transparent about their own outbreaks".
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Coronavirus: health experts tell US Congress travel bans will not stop the outbreak
- Travel bans and quarantines targeting travellers from China, lawmaker hear, are ‘effectively penalising’ the country and may chill the sharing of information
- Those testifying suggest bolstering the preparedness of public health providers in the US and increasing international collaboration
Owen Churchill
Published: 7:13am, 6 Feb, 2020
Public health experts warned US lawmakers on Wednesday that aggressive travel restrictions and quarantining measures would do little to combat the global spread of the coronavirus outbreak.
Testifying on Capitol Hill, the experts, including the former coordinator of the US government’s response to the Ebola virus, cautioned that travel bans were not only generally ineffective but could also thwart the ability of the US to work with global partners, including China, to counter the outbreak.
Since Sunday, the US has denied entry to non-US citizens – with some exceptions – arriving from China and quarantining those arriving from Hubei province, where the contagion originated.
Though the US is not the only nor the first nation to institute such measures, Beijing has singled it out as what it considers an instigator of rising global panic over the outbreak of the contagion, also known as 2019-nCoV.
The “best evidence” drawn from past global epidemics had shown that lockdowns on travel generally only delayed an introduction of a contagion by a matter of weeks, said Jennifer Nuzzo, an associate professor at Johns Hopkins University’s Centre for Health Security.
“That is not meaningful in the context of developing a vaccine,” said Nuzzo, estimating that development of a vaccine in this case could take up to a year.
Moreover, she said, by instituting travel bans and quarantines targeting travellers from China, the US was “effectively penalising” the country for reporting cases, adding that such actions could diminish Beijing’s willingness to share data and discourage other countries from being transparent about their own outbreaks.
Instead, the experts testifying before lawmakers on a House foreign affairs subcommittee urged the government to focus its attention on bolstering the preparedness of public health providers in the US and increasing international collaboration, particularly with China’s health authorities.
Ron Klain, a former government official who led the Obama administration’s response to the Ebola outbreak in 2014-15, said: “The best way to keep Americans safe is to eschew isolationism and help other nations combat the virus.”
Klain praised the Trump administration’s creation last week of a task force, chaired by Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Alex Azar, to coordinate a multi-agency response to the outbreak.
But those efforts were undermined by the absence of a full-time official overseeing the administration’s actions, said Klain, pointing to US President Donald Trump’s disbanding in mid-2018 of the National Security Council’s pandemic preparedness and response directorate.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/soc...lic-health-agency-orders-mandatory-quarantine
According to committee leaders, administration officials had rejected invitations to testify on Wednesday, in what was the first congressional hearing on the coronavirus.
“I’m profoundly disappointed that the Trump administration would not agree to send any government officials to testify today,” said Representative Eliot Engel, Democrat of New York.
Behind closed doors, public health officials from the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), HHS and other agencies have provided numerous briefings to lawmakers about the status of the government’s response to the contagion’s spread.
As of Wednesday, the virus has infected more than 27,600 people worldwide and killed 563. All but two of those deaths have occurred in mainland China.
Representative Ted Yoho, Republican of Florida, greets Dr Jennifer Bouey, an epidemiologist and China policy specialist at the RAND Corporation, before the congressional hearing on Wednesday. Photo: Getty Images/AFP
Wednesday’s hearing came amid growing calls from Congress on the administration to submit a formal request to the legislative branch for additional emergency funds before Monday, when Trump is set to release the fiscal budget for the coming year.
In a letter on Tuesday, House Democrats working on appropriations appealed to the executive branch to request emergency funding from Congress to funnel into the development of vaccines, direct assistance to state and local health departments and enhanced screenings at airports, among other initiatives.
“Tell us what you need, and then we’ll work to get that available to you as quickly as possible,” Representative Ami Bera, Democrat of California and chairman of the subcommittee on Asia, the Pacific and non-proliferation, said on Wednesday.
https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/sout...s-here-are-countries-and-airlines-restricting
Wednesday’s warnings about the efficacy of measures the Trump administration has taken echoed concerns raised this week by a former senior World Health Organisation (WHO) official who said containment of the virus depended not on border control but on the strength of countries’ domestic health care systems.
“Borders cannot stop infectious diseases, and you may have your eye on one border and one activity and the other activity escapes you and something comes in from another side,” David Heymann, who oversaw the WHO’s response to the Sars crisis, said at an event in London.
WHO officials have urged countries that have implemented travel bans, which include Singapore, Japan and the US, to consider rolling back the restrictions.
https://www.scmp.com/news/world/uni...ronavirus-us-declares-public-health-emergency
Such calls come amid growing reports of increased stigmatisation of and discrimination towards ethnic Chinese people around the world.
Calling out policies that distinguish between the “colour of the passport someone carries”, Klain said that “all of us need to be on the watch” for discrimination against Chinese-Americans and Chinese immigrants.
“It is a battle between human and virus,” said Jennifer Huang Bouey, an epidemiologist and specialist in China policy at the RAND Corporation. “It’s not between person to person, it’s not between party to party, it’s not between country to country.”
Owen Churchill
Owen joined the Post as US correspondent in 2018 after several years working as a reporter and editor in China. He covers US-China relations, trade, and wider issues concerning China's global presence. A co-founder of the Shanghai-based news outlet Sixth Tone, he is an alumnus of London's School of Oriental and African Studies and Fudan University in Shanghai.
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Can someone post the video?
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Reporter’s Notebook: We Interview Front-Line Coronavirus Doctor
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Here is an interview with a doctor on the frontline.
1. It has 3 stages. First stage is mild with cold-like symptoms and this is what most people experience. Second stage is critical and IC is needed. People in this stage began to have trouble breathing and the only thing to do is provide additional care. The final stage is organs began to shut down. Most people get over it during the first stage except for the sick and elderly.
2. The virus seems to run its course after 3 weeks.
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Here is an interview with a doctor on the frontline.
1. It has 3 stages. First stage is mild with cold-like symptoms and this is what most people experience. Second stage is critical and IC is needed. People in this stage began to have trouble breathing and the only thing to do is provide additional care. The final stage is organs began to shut down. Most people get over it during the first stage except for the sick and elderly.
2. The virus seems to run its course after 3 weeks.
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Ok so h2h infection is confirmed, any word on a2m?
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I haven't seen anything yet to confirm this.
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Yeah that's why I keep reminding you about the god damned protocol. It's been a century already since we figured out why this shit just doesn't fucking work but apparently china keeps not getting the memmo! Remember GI Joe? "Knowing is half the battle!" Well when it comes to pandemics knowing is well over half! Logistics are EVERYTHING when it comes to a major outbreak, both on the pre-outbreak phase of quarantine and study and the post-outbreak phase of treatment and containment. It's like playing god damned Frostpunk. Some shit, no matter how good an idea it may seem, you just don't do.
Not just him getting coronachan but also him infecting coronachan patients with the flu. Immune responses aren't cumulative but unless they compete viral infections are. This is why hospitals separate wards, people, and why I keep saying that if the outbreak cannot be contained you shouldn't go to the hospital unless you're in a risk group or suspect worsening symptoms, because at that point hospitals will most likely be dealing with multiple viri and if you're ok outside of a cough you can get worse if you go there. So if you don't need treatment its not a good idea.
The US House of Representatives held hearings on the coronavirus outbreak; there public health experts argued that travel restrictions and quarantining measure would only hinder the virus's spread, that "by instituting travel bans and quarantines targeting travellers from China, the US was “effectively penalising” the country for reporting cases, adding that such actions could diminish Beijing’s willingness to share data and discourage other countries from being transparent about their own outbreaks".
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Coronavirus: health experts tell US Congress travel bans will not stop the outbreak
- Travel bans and quarantines targeting travellers from China, lawmaker hear, are ‘effectively penalising’ the country and may chill the sharing of information
- Those testifying suggest bolstering the preparedness of public health providers in the US and increasing international collaboration
Owen Churchill
Published: 7:13am, 6 Feb, 2020
Public health experts warned US lawmakers on Wednesday that aggressive travel restrictions and quarantining measures would do little to combat the global spread of the coronavirus outbreak.
Testifying on Capitol Hill, the experts, including the former coordinator of the US government’s response to the Ebola virus, cautioned that travel bans were not only generally ineffective but could also thwart the ability of the US to work with global partners, including China, to counter the outbreak.
Since Sunday, the US has denied entry to non-US citizens – with some exceptions – arriving from China and quarantining those arriving from Hubei province, where the contagion originated.
Though the US is not the only nor the first nation to institute such measures, Beijing has singled it out as what it considers an instigator of rising global panic over the outbreak of the contagion, also known as 2019-nCoV.
The “best evidence” drawn from past global epidemics had shown that lockdowns on travel generally only delayed an introduction of a contagion by a matter of weeks, said Jennifer Nuzzo, an associate professor at Johns Hopkins University’s Centre for Health Security.
“That is not meaningful in the context of developing a vaccine,” said Nuzzo, estimating that development of a vaccine in this case could take up to a year.
Moreover, she said, by instituting travel bans and quarantines targeting travellers from China, the US was “effectively penalising” the country for reporting cases, adding that such actions could diminish Beijing’s willingness to share data and discourage other countries from being transparent about their own outbreaks.
Instead, the experts testifying before lawmakers on a House foreign affairs subcommittee urged the government to focus its attention on bolstering the preparedness of public health providers in the US and increasing international collaboration, particularly with China’s health authorities.
Ron Klain, a former government official who led the Obama administration’s response to the Ebola outbreak in 2014-15, said: “The best way to keep Americans safe is to eschew isolationism and help other nations combat the virus.”
Klain praised the Trump administration’s creation last week of a task force, chaired by Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Alex Azar, to coordinate a multi-agency response to the outbreak.
But those efforts were undermined by the absence of a full-time official overseeing the administration’s actions, said Klain, pointing to US President Donald Trump’s disbanding in mid-2018 of the National Security Council’s pandemic preparedness and response directorate.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/soc...lic-health-agency-orders-mandatory-quarantine
According to committee leaders, administration officials had rejected invitations to testify on Wednesday, in what was the first congressional hearing on the coronavirus.
“I’m profoundly disappointed that the Trump administration would not agree to send any government officials to testify today,” said Representative Eliot Engel, Democrat of New York.
Behind closed doors, public health officials from the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), HHS and other agencies have provided numerous briefings to lawmakers about the status of the government’s response to the contagion’s spread.
As of Wednesday, the virus has infected more than 27,600 people worldwide and killed 563. All but two of those deaths have occurred in mainland China.
Representative Ted Yoho, Republican of Florida, greets Dr Jennifer Bouey, an epidemiologist and China policy specialist at the RAND Corporation, before the congressional hearing on Wednesday. Photo: Getty Images/AFP
Wednesday’s hearing came amid growing calls from Congress on the administration to submit a formal request to the legislative branch for additional emergency funds before Monday, when Trump is set to release the fiscal budget for the coming year.
In a letter on Tuesday, House Democrats working on appropriations appealed to the executive branch to request emergency funding from Congress to funnel into the development of vaccines, direct assistance to state and local health departments and enhanced screenings at airports, among other initiatives.
“Tell us what you need, and then we’ll work to get that available to you as quickly as possible,” Representative Ami Bera, Democrat of California and chairman of the subcommittee on Asia, the Pacific and non-proliferation, said on Wednesday.
https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/sout...s-here-are-countries-and-airlines-restricting
Wednesday’s warnings about the efficacy of measures the Trump administration has taken echoed concerns raised this week by a former senior World Health Organisation (WHO) official who said containment of the virus depended not on border control but on the strength of countries’ domestic health care systems.
“Borders cannot stop infectious diseases, and you may have your eye on one border and one activity and the other activity escapes you and something comes in from another side,” David Heymann, who oversaw the WHO’s response to the Sars crisis, said at an event in London.
WHO officials have urged countries that have implemented travel bans, which include Singapore, Japan and the US, to consider rolling back the restrictions.
https://www.scmp.com/news/world/uni...ronavirus-us-declares-public-health-emergency
Such calls come amid growing reports of increased stigmatisation of and discrimination towards ethnic Chinese people around the world.
Calling out policies that distinguish between the “colour of the passport someone carries”, Klain said that “all of us need to be on the watch” for discrimination against Chinese-Americans and Chinese immigrants.
“It is a battle between human and virus,” said Jennifer Huang Bouey, an epidemiologist and specialist in China policy at the RAND Corporation. “It’s not between person to person, it’s not between party to party, it’s not between country to country.”
Owen Churchill
Owen joined the Post as US correspondent in 2018 after several years working as a reporter and editor in China. He covers US-China relations, trade, and wider issues concerning China's global presence. A co-founder of the Shanghai-based news outlet Sixth Tone, he is an alumnus of London's School of Oriental and African Studies and Fudan University in Shanghai.
1-china is already lying their asses off, they deserve the punishment.
2-a week isn't enough for vaccinations, unless you get REALLY lucky, which I doubt, but it IS enough for logistics (and we are seeing the US using that time, at least some states anyway) and it CAN help in the generation of other treatment options. Which in this case is VITAL because CV is a virus we haven't studied nearly enough. Which is china's fault.
Fun fact! I already mentioned why antivirals don't really work that well and as such I totally understand why farmaceuticals don't fund them. For the most part funding an antiviral or last gen vaccine for a previously untreated virus just gives you a base molecule whose biggest contribution will be to be used in accelerating the creation of new antivirals when a new strand pops up again. So long term it really can help. But it is extremely risky economically (the chances of it not working even if everything is done right are really high because you're basically just checking what proteins the virus presents, trying to guess which ones will be efficient if you target them, and just fucking HOPING IT WORKS. Like, there's just no real way to know beforehand but the more proteins you target the more likely you are to cause an allergic reaction so you're just throwing darts in the dark. ) so... wanna guess who funds this shit here in the west? Public institutions. You know, over here governments have realized "hmm, antivirals are as of today needed to prevent further outbreaks, but no one will fund them because they're not economically viable, but I need them to keep the population healthy. I know, maybe since as the government its my damned job to do so, I'll do it myself instead of hoping private institutions will take the hit!" And why has this not been done with coronaviri, and specially SARS? 'Cause china that's why.
I have a mouth, and I must scream. RRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
I could go on a massive rant about why the second spanish republic gave rise to the civil war like it did and how this compares to chinese politics but I'll just summarize and say that this is the problem with heavily stratified decentralized systems. In the case of our republic it was anti-authoritarian, but that just made it so corruption started creeping up. In the case of the chinese its havily authoritarian, and what that does is that since people directly depend on their local lord (like in feudalism) said lord's first and foremost purpose is keeping people OBEDIENT so they don't take him down, as such in the case of our republic the lords got replaced by those willing to fuck shit up in the name of radical politics (from the left radicals) and corruption (from the moderate right) who in turn did so, in china they instead those posts were filled by only the most self serving of people, who in turn only care about making sure they don't get replaced, as such any subordinate close enough is a direct threat to them, hence only corruption spreads upwards, that video they posted recently here explaining this really was correct, the "lost generation" was bred by corruption, hence, they only know corruption.
IQ tests have their benefits and uses. Specially for prognosis of mental deficiencies, but experience is everything. And one thing I (having aspergers and a low IQ) can tell you, is people with issues tend to fuck up a lot in small ways, and learn from it. People who are super intelligent really have a much harder time dealing with frustration, when things go well they do shit great, but when things go bad they block. In class I notice this a lot. Some of my classmates are extremely intelligent you can ask them anything about what we studied and they'll know it front to back and be able to build viable models in no time. And yet I've been helping them with basic math shit, programming and lab practice, because all that brainpower keeps them from fucking up, so they've never learned to simplify, identify the root issue, and fix it from there, they expect perfection and that just doesn't happen. I swear specially with informatics, the ammount of times I've had to tell someone "yeah I know that's how the computer should work but it fucking doesn't so do it this other way because it works" is equally hilarious and depressing.
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Someone needs to make a Chinese version of this for the communist party apologizing. “We’d like to sincerely apologize for our lack of treatment for patients (again). This is a tragedy that should have never happened and we are deeply sorry.” (Pan to crematoriums, riot police, people shot in street).View attachment 1132283
Wuhan party official apologises for failures in coronavirus outbreak
‘We are in pain and feel regrettable that a lot of the patients … were unable to receive proper treatment,’ Hu Lishan, the deputy secretary of the Communist Party in Wuhan, says as emergency hospitals are built and researchers race to find a cure.www.scmp.com
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Via the Daily Mail, this is from one of the warehouse
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Chinese Scientists "Ask" for Patent on US Drug to Fight Virus
http://english.whiov.cas.cn/
Haggling over a cure like they're buying bats at the Hunan Seafood Market
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