Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Iwasamwillbe]

Whoever is writing this season really does like his suspense and thriller drama.

 

[Fareal]

You kid, but this is what a lot of speedrunning sites tell you to do since it's the easiest, and fastest way to win. Either that, or Saudi Arabia.

>start in China (or Saudi Arabia)
>Evolve Transmissions in the following order: Air 1, Water 1, Air 2, Water 2, Extreme Bioaerosol
>Evolve Resistances in the following order: Heat 1, Cold 1, Drug Resistance 1, Heat 2, Cold 2 (Evolving Drug Resistance 2 is optional if RNG is being a bitch, but it shouldn't be necessary, and is otherwise not recommended)
>Devolve any symptoms that mutate
>Wait until there are no more healthy people left ( be patient, this can take a while)
>Evolve the following symptoms: Coughing, Pneumonia, Pulmonary Oedema, Total Organ Failure, Coma
>If possible, also evolve: Insomnia, Paranoia, Seizures, Insanity (not completely required, but makes curing much harder)
>Evolve Genetic Harding, and Genetic ReShuffle if, and as needed
>Evolve other fatal symptoms like Necrosis, Dysentery, Internal Hemorrhaging, etc (again, shouldn't be needed, but you can if you want)
>Win

Merci beaucoup, I just downloaded it, off to try and kill the world

 

[pull over dat ass too fat]

if carriers really are contagious before showing any symptoms, and it's already confirmed to be in the US and Europe, then I guess we should know fairly soon if it's a big one

Incubation period of 2 weeks. It'll take a while for it to really pick up speed in confirmed cases, but more will def be noticeable soon considering when this outbreak actually started. Wuhan was a transportation hub.

 

[Stoneheart]

What country are you in?

She works in a major hospital in a hotspot for Asian Travelers in germany.

 

[Kaede Did Nothing Wrong]

 

[DidYouJustSayThat]

Work with a Chinese woman who has been suffering from a fever last few days and started working from home last week to recover. Sends a department wide email "Please rest assured I have no connections to Wuhan and I have not been back to China in over a year. My illness is unrelated to the corona virus".

Fuck me, fellow Kiwis.

This is exactly what someone who just got back from Wuhan would say.

 

[Atomic Wangler]

"China's Chernobyl" is a good way of putting it, especially considering the increasing likelyhood that this virus escaped from a biomedical facility.

I'm still very skeptical of the harmfullness this virus. While the WHO can be manipulated into dragging it's feet, the CDC or the American Government doesn't appear to be overly concerned.

China's severe reaction to the outbreak, in my opinion, is more motivated by a desire to test new crowd control/national mobilization innovations rather than a direct fear for the Virus' harmfullness.

See, I could believe that this is a dry run for crowd control measures, but for one thing. They're locking down Beijing completely in a week, upgrading from a partial quarantine. I could see them doing it to other cities, but the capitol? I don't know.

 

[oldTireWater]

I'm having a hard time getting worked up over this. Convince me that the prudent move is to spend my life savings in a blaze of glory.

 

[Ivan Shatov]

Incubation period of 2 weeks. It'll take a while for it to really pick up speed in confirmed cases, but more will def be noticeable soon considering when this outbreak actually started. Wuhan was a transportation hub.

Incubation period has been revised down to 3 - 5 days.

But, honestly, that's just WHO's best guess. This is still new and no one's going to know until afterwards.

A few facts to remember:

- The last major epidemics were 1820 and 1920. We were due.

- Bubonic Plague followed the path of the Silk Road, East to West. This has happened before.

- Every time a plague from China has killed cities in Europe, it's lead to enormous advances in science and medicine.

Got some hot takes while we wait for our lungs to explode:

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Hey these stupid cunts saying the news coverage is racist are ignorant AF.

The Chinese live in close quarters, never wash their hands, and hate doctors. This could easily be a few million dead before it's all over.

At what quantity do these stupid SJWs drop the act? Does it have to be one of their family members dying?

 

[Lithos]

They should take comfort that viruses aren't racist.

 

[Ahriman]

3 Israelis hospitalized with flu-like symptoms as coronavirus fears mount

Patients, some of whom traveled to China, in isolation while undergoing tests; medical authorities taking every precaution as deadly virus claims 41 lives so far

www.timesofisrael.com

OY VEY THAT'S ENOUGH!! SHUT IT DOWN!!!!

 

[Evilronald]

See, I could believe that this is a dry run for crowd control measures, but for one thing. They're locking down Beijing completely in a week, upgrading from a partial quarantine. I could see them doing it to other cities, but the capitol? I don't know.

This virus has made China the laughingstock of the world. Whether it’s the spotlight on their disturbing hygienic practices (or lack thereof), their horrifying diet of live mice and bats, or the completely exceptional response by the local authorities, it’s hard to take China seriously as a player on the world stage. The reason the government tried so hard to sweep this under the rug is because they want to be considered a rising superpower and someday superior to the United States. There’s no way the Chinese government is going to lockdown so many cities and look this ridiculous if this isn’t way more serious than they are suggesting. You’re talking billions of dollars in lost economic activity, multiple humiliations on the world stage, and complete panic by the average citizen. There’s no way the Chinese government would go this far if there wasn’t something very bad about this outbreak they aren’t telling the rest of the world.

Got some hot takes while we wait for our lungs to explode:

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“When white people get corona virus.” How fucking stupid do you have to be to think only white people are going to get it? Especially when I don’t think there’s any cases of anyone other than Asians contracting it so far?

 

[Return of the Freaker]

At what quantity do these stupid SJWs drop the act? Does it have to be one of their family members dying?

That would break them. Some would drop it, others would say they deserved it because muh super misogynist racist transphobia

 

[Arctic Fox]

“When white people get corona virus.” How fucking stupid do you have to be to think only white people are going to get it? Especially when I don’t think there’s any cases of anyone other than Asians contracting it so far?

It's just retards being retards.

 

[TheFloor]

I want you to scroll back up at that table and look at the “childhood illnesses” on that list and their R-0.

Every one of them is above 5, except measles, which is 12 to 18.

In the absence of effective vaccination, every kid with measles will make 12 to 18 other kids sick. You all have a basic ability to multiply.

Measles is potentially fatal in small children. As is every other “childhood illness” on that list.

The herd immunity level for measles is around 95%. So around 95 kids in every 100 need to have been vaccinated and their immune system have responded correctly to the vaccination for measles outbreaks to be controlled. Controllable.

This is why it only takes comparatively few anti-vaxxer parents for outbreaks to occur and kids to start dying.

This is why you vaccinate. Epidemiology does not care about what you read on Facebook about thimerosal. Measles kills, and spreads like wildfire.

I’m going to leave this here. It’s the report of a team who forecasted the effects of measles infection in real schools in Texas using real school vaccination rates, and then adjusted them downwards by 5% - one kid in twenty, just over one kid per class.

In some metropolitan areas, that increased the size of the modelled outbreak by 4000%.

Vaccination Exemptions and Forecasted Size of Measles Outbreaks

This study uses a decision analytical model to simulate measles outbreaks in metropolitan areas in Texas using 2018 and future reduced vaccination rates.

jamanetwork.com

Thing is, measles had been declared basically eliminated in America in the early 2000’s. We only started having a widely reported problem again when controlling immigration was suddenly “racist.” Rather than point to the millions of immigrants coming in from various third-world countries sending their infected kids to schools, the blame was placed on a minority of people who had opted to not take their kids in for what they believed were unnecessary shots. Instead of asking our government why a bunch of sick people are allowed in to spread diseases, people are called either “racist” or “anti-vaxors.”

If corona establishes any kind of a serious foothold in America, lax immigration enforcement will be 100% to blame. Nobody in America is eating uma delicia bat soup. It will be our government’s fault, 100%. I’m at a loss as to why America hasn’t issued a travel ban when China is shutting down theatres, food chains, Disneyland, and blocking off major cities. Something simply is not adding up here.

 

[simulated goat]

Oh godz, I pray I don't look like a total sped next week in my 3m mask respirator and neon puke speedo goggles (don't judge, it's off season and the local Food King is kinda barren).

 

[DidYouJustSayThat]

This virus has made China the laughingstock of the world. Whether it’s the spotlight on their disturbing hygienic practices (or lack thereof), their horrifying diet of live mice and bats, or the completely exceptional response by the local authorities, it’s hard to take China seriously as a player on the world stage. The reason the government tried so hard to sweep this under the rug is because they want to be considered a rising superpower and someday superior to the United States. There’s no way the Chinese government is going to lockdown so many cities and look this ridiculous if this isn’t way more serious than they are suggesting. You’re talking billions of dollars in lost economic activity, multiple humiliations on the world stage, and complete panic by the average citizen. There’s no way the Chinese government would go this far if there wasn’t something very bad about this outbreak they aren’t telling the rest of the world.

I've seen this line being spouted in social media by NPC's a lot, although none of them seem to be able to give any specific details. Do you? What exactly would have you done differently in responding to this outbreak. Don't say quarantine immediately after 5 people coughed

 

[Without A Gout]

This virus has made China the laughingstock of the world. Whether it’s the spotlight on their disturbing hygienic practices (or lack thereof), their horrifying diet of live mice and bats, or the completely exceptional response by the local authorities, it’s hard to take China seriously as a player on the world stage. The reason the government tried so hard to sweep this under the rug is because they want to be considered a rising superpower and someday superior to the United States. There’s no way the Chinese government is going to lockdown so many cities and look this ridiculous if this isn’t way more serious than they are suggesting. You’re talking billions of dollars in lost economic activity, multiple humiliations on the world stage, and complete panic by the average citizen. There’s no way the Chinese government would go this far if there wasn’t something very bad about this outbreak they aren’t telling the rest of the world.

If there's any potential positive to this, it will either force China to take massive strides in hygiene/food safety/cleanliness (think Singapore) or will force an upheaval of the government and culture that stubbornly clings onto outdated ideologies.

These things usually happen with pandemics. Cue the ratings.

Idk what's going to happen for the rest of the world, but China is looking fucked.

 

[Allakazam223]

This virus has made China the laughingstock of the world. Whether it’s the spotlight on the disturbing hygienic practices (or lack thereof), their horrifying diet of live mice and bats, or the completely exceptional response by the local authorities, it’s hard to take China seriously as a player on the world stage. The reason the government tried so hard to sweep this under the rug is because they want to be considered a rising superpower and someday superior to the United States. There’s no way the Chinese government is going to lockdown so many cities and look this ridiculous if this isn’t way more serious than they are suggesting. You’re talking billions of dollars in lost economic activity, multiple humiliations on the world stage, and complete panic by the average citizen. There’s no way the Chinese government would go this far if there wasn’t something very bad about this outbreak they aren’t telling the rest of the world.

This is last resort kind of measures... Destroying infrastructure to enforce a 40 million person quarentine zone. Very strange that the government is saying that this isn't as bad as it looks, while scrambling for full millitary response...

I'm not a millitary man or even a smart man, but I recognize when someone's trying to pull the wool over my eyes.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

Surely they're shipping food/supplies into town. Getting in shouldn't be that much of a problem. If need be, have multiple driver scanning stations, similar to the toll booth concept X miles before Wuhan. Should also be able to send stuff via the Yangtze River. High-priority goods, like medical supplies, could be helicoptered in. But you need to have a general plan to carry out supply operations.

I suspect the Chinese General Staff/civil defense/paramilitary may not have a plan, or have a detailed plan, on how to supply cities in this situation. Or they could just have the PLA do it. Surely they know how to carry out such logistics. If they cannot, or they really fuck it up, that tells us just how well they might be able to supply/support troops in active operations.


@Secret Asshole - you may well be right. Tamiflu's the only medication I could think of that might help. Could be others. Wonder if the CDC will ever answer my question.

It's the number one thing everyone fucking forgets doing mass-cal disaster planning when they do a cordon off for some reason. They've got all these plans to keep the cordon barriers up and intact, contingency plans for if any get beyond the Alpha Ring, but then you look at it for a minute and say: "Um, how are you feeding everyone?" and get a blank look while their brain locks up. The problem is, people have fully stocked supermarkets dancing in their heads, modern media doesn't mention anything about feeding the city, and everyone's too concerned about quarantining the plague.

My rule of thumb has always been: "The most obvious problems are the ones that will be ignored" combined with "The greater chance that it involves stupidity, the greater chance it will happen."

Those cities have millions of people. There's video of the highways and roads being torn up. Major metropolitian areas require a steady stream of trains, planes, and semis to stay stocked with food, especially if they're running zero-inventory systems. Scanning stations should have already been set up, moving stuff via the river requires safe-zones at the docks as well as armed guards, helicopters drops again require setup and armed guards (Think WINTEX slick loads), all of that stuff requires stuff being done at the same time as the cordon, including designating the zones.

Well, either way, it's just curiosity on my end. I'm sure a government as sharp as China's should have all that planned out and ready to move since they're the 21st Century super-power.

We'll find out by Monday.

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