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Menotaur said:
Jesus,

You don't even know what a vaccine is.

What a pointless discussion. But feel free to call every Health Car provider, Governor, Health department, Political across the globe a fool.

Be my guest. And even if you are that dense, then stop whining about vaccine mandates for vaccines that don't exist. P.S. you might want to contact your Red Gov's as they seem to be confused just like 99.9% of everyone else.
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Menotaur said:
Why can't you just admit you actually do not know what a vaccine is. You've spent your whole life with an idea in your head of what a vaccine is but never actually looked any deeper into it.

Of course, it would be easier for anyone to think that they personally in fact, actually know more than hundreds of thousands - if not millions - of people who actually are in the business of vaccination.

But feel free to school us all and tell us what qualifies something as a vaccine.

The floor is yours.
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What an utterly retarded cunt you are. No one likes you.
 
Another interesting 4chin thread summarizing the pandemic, and also includes treatment options. @EyelessMC

Top 7 Major Points

>1. If everyone magically got 100% vaccinated today the pandemic would not end
>2. Because Big pharma cut corners and made a low-quality vaccine that encourages variants via evolutionary natural selection.
>3. The vaccine creates COVID spike proteins inside the body and while they provide immunity against alpha, the vaccine does not work against the Delta variant (see point 2)
>4. Unfortunately, the spike proteins created by the vaccine have proven to be toxic to endothelial cells (heart, lung, arteries, brain) and do cause side effects like blood clotting. (see point 2)
>5. Young people have incredibly low risk of dying if infected while conversely old people have extremely high risk of dying if infected.
>6. Age has the strongest correlation with COVID risk above all other factors.
>7. Highly effective treatments do exist and there is massive scientific evidence that prove they work against COVID 19.
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teriyakiburns said:
It's as simple as "I'm not going to discuss that." At least it is in my case. Seems to have worked so far.

Part of being an adult (and my god this sounds like a redditpost) is the assertion of boundaries and separation from family members. As the bible puts it: A man shall leave his father and mother and cleaves unto his wife, and the two shall become one flesh. By leaving your parents, you become autonomous and individual. They can ask. You don't have to answer.

I still suspect it's going to come to a head at christmas. Joke's on them though: I'm the one supplying the booze this year.

I didn't even have that. I had literally nothing; no requirements beyond proving I was registered for the course I was attending. Also being able to prove I had the necessary student grants and loans.

edit: spoelling mistakes. THIS POST BEWL UP! THANKS FOR THE GOLD, KIND STRANGER!
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It's as simple as "I'm not going to discuss that." At least it is in my case. Seems to have worked so far.

Part of being an adult (and my god this sounds like a redditpost) is the assertion of boundaries and separation from family members.

That's fine and dandy for those who don't have narc relatives, but part and parcel of growing up in a narc/histrionic/aspd/cluster B family is the erosion of those boundaries from birth, continuing through the vulnerable child's early years, then finely honed later on in adult life by more gaslighting and clusterfucking of the mind. YMMV.

Psychologists call it 'differentiation' - the ability to draw those boundaries, both on an individual scale (I am not my brother/father/mother/family) and also on an external scale (NO!, I'll get back to you on that when I have time, I'm sorry you feel that way, I'm afraid I see things very differently). And all this extends out again when dealing with 3rd parties (and personal relationships), bosses, pushy people in our social circle etc. etc.

The inability to form these personal boundaries from an early formative age leaves those 'victims' of this kind of abuse truly scared and scarred: unable to say NO! and all the rest of it. They become life's co-dependents (food and new victims for new narcs and BPD's) if they do not succumb to becoming narcs and BPD's themselves in later life to hide their deeper pain (or just because that is the only way they have been taught to function - monkey see, monkey do).

You seem like a really sound bloke. You seem to come from a pretty sound family and I believe you have that level of 'differentiation' needed to maintain those healthy boundaries. But by God above, these fucking propagandists really know how to set man upon man until he is a wolf unto man. And that extends out to our families as well. Apart from those we once considered good friends. You'll be ok.

However, having said that...

I still suspect it's going to come to a head at christmas. Joke's on them though: I'm the one supplying the booze this year.

Yeah, joke's on them. You supplying all the booze. Your irony and subtlety is absolutely delicious. It's good you can take a joke, because you will have to need to. The question is, can they? Just make sure it's extra expensive and exclusive booze, then the joke will be on them even moar! Throw in a few extra expensive choccies as well, if you can stretch to it, just to take that little guilt trip that much further...

LOL, who said that not all families are fucking dysfunctional?

Joke's on my family again this year! They get to pay for all the booze, again!

Akshually, I always end up paying for that, so maybe the joke is on me?

Thing is, they won't let me pay for a thing.

It's worth it to them. It took me a while to catch on what the game was, because they are so stingey in other areas. But anyway, this is not my personal blog, and KiwiFarms is not a fucking lunatic asylum (debatable).
 
jje100010001 said:
Another interesting 4chin thread summarizing the pandemic, and also includes treatment options. @EyelessMC


/pol/ - "End The Pandemic!" Super Thread. - Politically Incorrect - 4chan

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Great document but it recommends 10,000 IU of D3, 600 IU is the standard daily amount. Seems excessive.
 
Protistology said:
Great document but it recommends 10,000 IU of D3, 600 IU is the standard daily amount. Seems excessive.
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600IU is barely any D. If you get a supplement the smallest they usually come in is 2000. Temporarily upping it to 10k is not harmful.

Also, everyone sort of processes it differently. You might be someone with genetically lower absorption through food and need more than just the bare minimum.
 
Menotaur said:
Why can't you just admit you actually do not know what a vaccine is. You've spent your whole life with an idea in your head of what a vaccine is but never actually looked any deeper into it.

Of course, it would be easier for anyone to think that they personally in fact, actually know more than hundreds of thousands - if not millions - of people who actually are in the business of vaccination.

But feel free to school us all and tell us what qualifies something as a vaccine.

The floor is yours.
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So, according to you, science is whatever prominent scientists who are given a platform say it is?

Ridiculous appeal to authority.

Protistology said:
Great document but it recommends 10,000 IU of D3, 600 IU is the standard daily amount. Seems excessive.
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Give this a listen.

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The Truth About VITAMIN D

The Clinical Significance of VITAMIN D3 (Cholecalciferol)* Cholecalciferol is a Vitamin and Pro-hormone. * Vitamin D comes from Sunlight🔆 and from Diet (Fat...
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twosu said:
What about when they demand an anal swab, on camera to make sure you aren't cheating? Will you work out some mental cope to make that okay too?
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Yeah, granny's definitely going to ask me to drop trou and fingerblast myself in front of the family. I'm not injecting bullshit into my veins here. I'm spending five bucks to swirl a Q-tip in my nose and granny will believe me when I say the line didn't appear. Fuck off with your edgelord exaggerating.
 
Escaped Abortion said:
600IU is barely any D. If you get a supplement the smallest they usually come in is 2000. Temporarily upping it to 10k is not harmful.

Also, everyone sort of processes it differently. You might be someone with genetically lower absorption through food and need more than just the bare minimum.
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Just remember kids to always pair it with K2 or absorption might not happen and some side effects can happen.
 
Protistology said:
Great document but it recommends 10,000 IU of D3, 600 IU is the standard daily amount. Seems excessive.
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I've researched this more than anyone cares to know. I'm not an expert. Don't listen to me.

10,000 iu is the upper limit of what is accepted to be the absolute maximum for long term use - and even then D3 is stored in the body, so there's no point in taking it every day when your levels are topped up - so don't go over that level, there is some evidence it might be harmful.

10,000 iu is the level no one one should go over, per day, unless they really really know what they are doing, and even then, you don't want to do that every day for months.

D3 interferes with sleep, and even if you are deficient in it, and it helps you become more alert through the day, it can interfere with sleep patterns later on when you have built up reserves. Most people say that half that does is more than sufficient and I would agree. I personally take only 3000 iu a day for a while, then I stop, I titrate down lesser doses as needed. Is it starting to interfere with sleep patterns as opposed to keeping me alert? How long have I been taking it? After a few months, I just take one 3000 iu pill every other day, then just once a week, then every couple of weeks, then after that it's good to build back up again. Works for me. Never been deficient in D3 in all of my 'bloods'.

Yeah, you can take 10,000 iu a day. More even, but soon there is a point where there will be damage. Double that dose and do it for many months! Not good! Vitamin B12 pretty much has no safe upper limit - that is to say you can take as much of it as you want and as long as you are like the other 99 percent of people who can tolerate it, you'll be fine. But then again, that interferes with sleep after a while. Those deficient in it can hardly stay awake and can sometimes not breathe (pernicious anemia), but after a while it just buzzes you out and not in a good way. I do the same with this - it's the only B Vitamin that can be stored in the body - in the Liver! Folate (Vitamin B9) which is very similar can also be stored a bit IIRC. I take large amounts of that until I run down and out of pills, titrating down as needed, every few days, every week, every month - just one pill. Then build back up again.

Even Zinc is bad to take every day for months on end. And I need to take that coz I usually drink more than I should. But even then, don't keep taking it day in day out for months on end.

You need a good diet. Vitamins and minerals are your friend up to a point. But too many can give you cancer. A and E I never touch because of these risks. Being semi-vegi as well means I need to supplement, along with drinking too much. But even I just dial it back, especially when I go long periods without drinking anything at all (up to 3-6 months).

The IU reccomendations for D3 by the UK NHS is silly. They would never touch the sides. You can safely take 1000 - 2000 - 3000 - 5000 - IU every day for months. 10,000 IU is pushing it. It's safe for most people, but not for a long time. Work within the boundaries that work for the vast majority of people.

Don't take anything at the upper dosage limits for any length of time unless you have great reason to and you really know what you are doing.

Even Vitamin C which I take heroic doses of (10 fucking Grams a day) I don't do for any length of time. Just when my body needs an extra 'purge'. When the shit turns to piss, it's time to stop for the day. Job done. Dial it back. Few days of that and if it doesn't cure what ails ye, well, it's the wrong thing to be turning to - try something else.

Even NAC which is another powerful anti-oxidant, I only take for a coupla months at a time. Lay off. Go back on slowly, build up, back off.

At no point is my body ever under full assault from Vits and MIns.

In fact, I'm feeling very fucking good at the moment from having several weeks off of NO FUCKING VITS OR MINS AT ALL.

Get your noggin around that! You need to take some time for these things stored in your body to detox out or just for it to get on with its own thing.

After a while you know what's what and what you need. Even Vit C which you technically need every day, well, you don't need it that much if you eat an orange every day. And fucking 10 grams of it is going to give you serious shits. Don't hurt to take 500mg capsule a day that you made up though out of that 1KG of powder you bought. Or every other day.

These things have their place, but eating well and exercising (so this shit can go through your body) is more important. Sleep is also another factor. I know when to back off D3 and B12 (the ones that make you alert when you are lacking) when they start waking me up early morning.

Be kind to yourself. Learn your body. Let it talk to itself and pick up those signals, and don't be afraid to lay off when the bio-feedback says so. Trust yourself. Learn yourself. This sounds wanky I know. But there isn't any other way to put it.

Look after yourself. You are the best arbiter of knowing what is good and what is working.

And don't listen to strange men on the inernetz!
 
I know this is a nation of electing what you want, but Nebraska at this point in time seem like they are willing to go the screw it route. I know early this year they were doing the same with testing and much of other things.
Out side of pop up notification that has been going on a little over a week or so. Since checking mid day. Unless court cases go through and give answer I am still leaning to this quietly being brushed under the rug. Fun times. Guess it maybe tomorrow due to holiday or Friday if I do hear something. Give a hard date then wait for another date, because we didn't check the calendar. Given Your government will be fully vaxxed come the 22nd so who the hell knows.
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The Nothingness said:
So Pfizer posted this cringy meme on their Twitter account and this immediately came to my mind.
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And naturally they made it so nobody can respond. Because that's the hallmark behavior of a person or organization that's totally confident in their beliefs. Faggots. Still, the ratio of retweets/quote retweets to favorites shows what people think.
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Twitter ratios, like post ratings, don't actually matter whatsoever in real life, but to over-socialized terminally online types they do. Personally it's yet another tic tac sized whitepill that the "experts" continue to get blown out on sites that bend over backwards to coddle them when they spew their fucking retarded opinions.
 
Drain Todger said:
@borsabil @Lichen Bark

I think it's possible that COVID-19 could actually be beaten with little more than promptly administering Pepcid and Benadryl. It's not just suppression of mast cell activation. They're antioxidant and possibly antiviral, too.

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Effects of diphenhydramine and famotidine on lipid peroxidation and activities of antioxidant enzymes in different rat tissues - PubMed

The potential antioxidant activity of diphenhydramine (histamine H1-receptor antagonist) and famotidine (histamine H2 receptor antagonist) was studied. Diphenhydramine inhibited the spontaneous, Fe(II)-induced and Fe(II)/ascorbate-induced lipid peroxidation, while famotidine showed a biphasic...
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Identification of antiviral antihistamines for COVID-19 repurposing

There is an urgent need to identify therapies that prevent SARS-CoV-2 infection and improve the outcome of COVID-19 patients. Although repurposed drugs with favorable safety profiles could have significant benefit, widely available prevention or treatment ...
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Lethal COVID-19 (when it occurs) is almost certainly a result of iron-induced lipid peroxidation.

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The role of iron in the pathogenesis of COVID-19 and possible treatment with lactoferrin and other iron chelators

Iron overload is increasingly implicated as a contributor to the pathogenesis of COVID-19. Indeed, several of the manifestations of COVID-19, such as …
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In Ghent, Belgium, 100% of the people in the ICU in one hospital have been vaccinated:


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How long before the antibodies from the vaccine become fully non-neutralizing and trigger ADE?

Remember, the Spike that the mRNA codes for is still the version from the Wuhan strain. That strain of the virus is no longer circulating. Its descendants are. Imagine if the authorities made it mandatory to take a two-year-old flu shot. That's what this is like.
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I don't know if you could cure it with those things. Hard to say. You did link that old person study a while back though, the one where they treated all the old fogies in the care home with antihistamines, and it seemed to help. I usually keep Benadryl around in case of allergic emergencies, but I have never actually taken it myself. When you and @Gorilla Tessellator said it was "harsh" what do you mean? Can you describe that more.

Speaking of harsh I have found the 500mg of Quercetin very hard to take. I read it's found in coffee as well and may interact with similar receptors as caffeine. I was ok at about half the dose 250mg with a meal, I may break it down to 100mg per dose, and see if that's alright for daily regime. I feel spaced out on 500mg, sort of that caffeine high, stomach discomfort. Felt great the next day mind. If I take it with a huge meal and lower dose I don't notice anything though. I couldn't imagine taking 600mg.
 
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