Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Meriasek]

So if those that the state claim are responsible for cases still going up are no longer running around in society how will the state explain the cases still going up?

The usual way. Unvaxxed subhumans faking their vaccination certifications, unvaxxed subhumans breaking their curfew, muh Delta, shudduplistentothescience.
@Gar For Archer You can get the "recovered" certificate if you can proof you had a positive PCR test and at least two weeks later a negative PCR test.

 

[chiobu]

It’s been rumored that Gavin Newsom is out of sight since getting his booster on Oct 27 because he developed Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS) or Bell’s Palsy. This can happen within hours after getting his booster so this make perfect sense.


This also explains why nobody has seen him in public since then; anyone who saw him would instantly know.

I checked into this and I’m over 90% sure that this is true (but I can’t tell you publicly about it without revealing my source) which prompted me to write this article.

Am I 100% certain? No. This is just my personal educated hypothesis piecing together the information (both from public and private sources) that I’ve gathered.

What’s your best guess?

The latest info I have is he is going livestream 11:45 am on November 9 at the California Economic Summit per this article.
This Fox News article says: “Newsom press secretary Daniel Lopez said the governor worked at the state Capitol last week and would begin making normal appearances again sometime this week, according to a statement provided to SFGATE.”

Really?!?! “Sometime this week???” And no explanation for why he’s dropped out of sight for 2 weeks and cancelled his appearance at the UN Climate Summit on Nov 1-3?

This seems really suspicious to me.

On the other hand, this article claims he’ll appear tomorrow (November 9). And another article doesn’t even speculate as to when he’ll be back.

Look, it can’t be a family emergency… Why not do a quick video on Twitter saying that he’s fine and dispel the rumors? He’s completely off the grid.

Alex Jones did some digging and found a story that is consistent with a vaccine injury: Newsom is isolated in his home with doctors going in and out.

So we’ll soon see who got it right.

How I arrived at my hypothesis​

Here’s the background for my hypothesis:

1. Twitter reports of facial paralysis (my first thought was Bell’s Palsy).
2. Emails with my friends say it is GBS (either can cause facial paralysis).
3. I had a “soft” confirmation from a friend who absolutely knows him. The friend acted in a way consistent with the hypothesis that he has GBS or Bell’s Palsy.
4. I’ve heard from two lawyers, both of whom told me he has GBS. One lawyer talked to two different very close friends of Gavin and got the exact same story: GBS.
5. There is an article about it on the CHD website (archived here)
6. Confirmation in multiple checks done by Alex Jones.

Albert Benavides (aka WelcomeTheEagle88) recently did a VAERS analysis for me looking at symptoms which are elevated by the vaccine versus a 5-year baseline rate (VAERS reports from 2015-2019).

Look at what popped up on #11 (the 11th highest elevated adverse event). You are 1,533 times more likely to get Bell’s Palsy after the COVID vaccines than any other vaccine.


NOTE: This screen shot is the “tip of the iceberg” as far as serious adverse events caused by the COVID vaccines. The full list is over 5,000 elevated adverse events and I’ll be writing about this later today on substack (subscribe to be notified).

Guillain-Barre after these vaccines is less likely than Bell’s Palsy by a factor of 4.5, so I’m guessing it is more likely Bell’s Palsy (but it very well could be GBS).

Did the vaccine cause Bell’s Palsy (or GBS) for Newsom? He was perfectly fine before the shot and within hours after the shot he’s paralyzed. Could be bad luck. But come on.

Why doesn’t he just admit the truth, that he got Bell’s Palsy (or GBS) from the vaccine? Well truth telling is not how it is done in politics. The reason he won’t tell the truth it:

1. It would create vaccine hesitancy because it would be an admission that the vaccines aren’t safe like he claims
2. It would make him look silly for mandating very dangerous vaccines in California.
3. He doesn’t want to make the CDC look incompetent for never spotting the safety signal.

Newsom is still mandating that your kids get the vaccine. He’s even tweeting about it after being injured!​

You can’t make this stuff up. Check out the tweet and the date. He’s acting like nothing happened to him:


Hundreds of previously healthy kids will suffer neurological damage just like he did as a result of his mandate. Hundreds of kids will die from the vaccine.

Bell’s and GBS are just two of over 5,000 adverse events that are elevated by these vaccine. More troubling is that the risk-benefit analysis for 5 to 11 I’ve seen shows we will kill 117 kids to maybe save 1 kid from COVID.

Governor Newsom and the CDC don’t seem to care about that; there’s not even a CDC category for vaccine deaths.

Over 120,000 Americans have suffered from Bell’s Palsy after vaccination (you take the incidence rate from the table and multiply by the minimum VAERS underreporting factor (URF) of 41 which is calculated here) and it could easily be over 250,000 cases.

A neurologist I know has over 2,000 clients with vaccine injuries (out of 20,000 client base). The neurologist never had any events before now in his/her practice caused by the vaccine. This shows you it is the vaccine causing the events, not “over reporting” as is claimed by the FDA.

When will it end?

I hope soon. But nobody in America likes to admit they were wrong. Even after they’ve been injured.

Joel Kallman, the creator of the V-safe application, died shortly after he was vaccinated. He never got a chance to tell people what he thought of the safety of the vaccine.


Let’s hope that Newsom gets the chance to learn from this and change his thinking.

P.S. If you think you know whether it is GBS or Bell’s Palsy, please comment below.

Gavin Newsom was out of sight likely because he had Guillain-Barré from his booster shot

They said he had personal issues to attend to... like half his face was paralyzed? Our best guess from all the evidence is vaccine-induced Guillain-Barré kept him from public view for almost 2 weeks.

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[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Sigh,

Really guys...it is just a vaccine...

I'm sure you guys don't really believe that the vaccine has no value whatsoever. You can whine about restrictions for those without the vaccine; and you can argue about whether someone has a right to a vaccine mandate - God know you have some valid points! But to use those as an argument (vaccine is satan's cock) to argue the latter points isn't an argument you can win or support because they are mutually exclusive and the premise of a "pointless vaccine or harmless vaccine" is untrue.

I don't believe the "vaccine" has any value to anyone who isn't already highly vulnerable to this virus and thus needs an extra boost. I was more optimistic about it being at least somewhat effective in preventing transmission but it's clear that isn't the case. All it does is mask your symptoms (thus cancelling out whatever prevention of transmission can be achieved) for a few months which is really only useful if you're elderly or immunocompromised. That's categorically not a vaccine, that's a prophylactic. Very few people under 65 should be getting injected with this garbage.

Your points on freedom are mandates could be made with any vaccine or healthcare requirement - so keep them exclusive.

Maybe for some people here, but the fact of the matter is that other vaccines which have been mandated have an order of magnitude less deaths or dangerous health issues associated with them. They also aren't required to participate in society since I've only ever been asked to show proof of vaccination when I was in school, and also in college which IMO was bullshit since I had to drive all over to find the records of the doctor I had when I was like 7-8. Never had to show it for a job or enter a building which before this year would've been patently ridiculous to most people because it was a "conspiracy theory". Even the articles saying "the Founding Fathers would support vaccine mandates because Washington had soldiers get innoculated against smallpox" are ignoring the fact that 1, they were soldiers, and 2, innoculation actually prevents smallpox.

There are good vaccines and bad "vaccines" and this is one of the latter. I don't think you can reasonably call it a vaccine at all, which is why they're so desperate to change the definition of "vaccine" and control the FDA to call it a "vaccine".

 

[teriyakiburns]

They also aren't required to participate in society since I've only ever been asked to show proof of vaccination when I was in school, and also in college which IMO was bullshit since I had to drive all over to find the records of the doctor I had when I was like 7-8.

This is where I get confused. I never had to show proof of any sort of vaccination for school or university. I've never had to prove I've been vaccinated to do anything. I was recommended the malaria vaccine when travelling to south america, which I took because I've seen what happens to people who don't, but it wasn't a requirement. They didn't force me to wear a mask until I took it. I wasn't denied entry to local shops or the airport unless I proved I'd taken it. I wasn't forced to quarantine in my home when I returned and take daily tests until they decided I was safe to let out.

Malaria is endemic in large parts of south america, but there was never any question that I'd be an asymptomatic plague carrier until proven otherwise.

Point being, vaccination status of any sort was, until two years ago, almost entirely a personal issue. Nobody cared. Nobody was required to care. It wasn't necessary to care. Now it's suddenly not only necessary, but moral to demand personal medical information before we can engage in normal human interactions, and to punish people who exercise their right to decline to divulge that information.

 

[jje100010001]

Probably not, it’s just a weak hypothesis hardcore anti vaxx people have because they wish ill upon people for ne good reason. “two more weeks until everyone dies of covid” vs. “two more weeks until everyone dies of the vaccine”, they are just two sides of the same coin. People should have already figured out that this is all a big nothingburger by now. Sure people die of covid, sure people die of vaccine reactions. Shit happens. Nothing to completely lose sanity over really.

If people just obsess over how harmful muh vaccines are, best case scenario is they’re going to say “oh yeah you’re right, better lock everyone up again lmao”. Focus on lockdowns, mandates and surveillance, how none of these measures are scientifically sound and how it’s not worth losing your freedom over what is at best the flu but a bit worse, and maybe not even that anymore with natural/vaccine immunity stacking up against the virus.

Everyone will get this shit at some point, I’m pretty sure. You’re going to find out if your decision to get the vaccine or not was a good one soon enough.

At best, the jab helps reduce the severity of the virus while preventing very little spread, and possibly at the cost of long-term immunity.

At worst, the jab is actively worse than the virus, and may possibly cause myocarditis at higher rates, along with the aforementioned issues of long-term immunity.

It all is a dice roll, whether or not the lipids nanoparticles make it to your heart, if the nurse does a good job, if the adenovirus decides to infect your capilliaries, etc.- and yet at the same time, early treatment is blocked by the regime, meaning that the average citizen has the choice of either a questionable jab unlike any vaccine that came before it, or palliative care at hospitals.

That being said, the issue is ultimately about coercion like what you say. Pre-September, the jab would have been a big nothingburger as you could always try to navigate a societal landscape without a jab while retaining much of your current life- even if you thought the jab was dangerous, your life would have likely changed very little.

But with the introduction of corporate/regime mandates, you are essentially forced against a wall and the side-effects of the jab are suddenly very near, as people face deadlines to get jabbed or face larger upheavals in their lives.

To add to this, the reason why people are discussing the dangers of the jab is because it's the keystone to this coercion. The regime is assuring the public that it's safe and effective and thereby necessary, and so it's a fight to convince enough people that it isn't.

Two more weeks IMO is a form of messianism/memery, in the hopes that happenings will occur that'll overturn the mandates. It could happen, it might not- but the real battles that'll determine how the coercion plays out are in the courtrooms and in the streets. I think the issue here is discerning the motives of the regime- whether they are legitimately malicious and calculating, or if this is mindless greed and power run amok, with lies stacked onto lies in a panicked manner. The former will be ironclad, the latter is weaker and has a chance of being toppled.

 

[RumblyTumbly]

I think the issue here is discerning the motives of the regime- whether they are legitimately malicious and calculating, or if this is mindless greed and power run amok, with lies stacked onto lies in a panicked manner.

I say the later. They really are just that stupid and are always pulling the cart before the horse to get whatever outcome they want without thinking about the consequences.

 

[Almalexia]

I'm a small business owner in a hyper pozzed New England city. I pay pretty well for what is an easy work from home job with occasional travel. Thanks to following this thread (although I had a boomer moment and forgot the password of my old kiwifarms account), I realized in about April-May 2020 that this was all bullshit. My employees, however, are all woke morons that are absolutely terrified of COVID because that class of individual was all I can hire here. They have been consistently refusing to do many of their job duties "due to the pandemic." Everything they don't want to do? "I don't feel comfortable" , even though their job is business development and that means going to fucking conferences. One especially woke employee declared she needed to take sick leave after January 6 because the events were so harmful to her mental health, lmao. I was sort of putting up with it because fucking everyone here acted similarly entitled and weak, with the exception of posters in this thread who are apparently also in the area.

They have no idea I don't share their terror of a virus with a 99.98% survival rate, although they may be getting suspicious because my patience is wearing thin. They also don't know I have been keeping insanely detailed written records of all the work they have refused or otherwise failed to do during the pandemic. (If nothing else, spending time on Kiwifarms helps you become a stickler for documentation.)

Every last one of them will soon be fired and replaced with unvaxxed, based individuals. I am hiring and making sure applicants know that this is a small business where vaccination is not required and will never be required. Suddenly I've got quietly based people coming out of the woodwork who are grateful and ready to contribute, knowing I've got their back. OSHA and all Biden's other goons can suck my balls.

 

[SouthernBitchBob]

I'm attending a family function in the near future. [Family member] has requested that all dirty unvaxxed get a test before coming because [other family member] is immunocompromised.

I'll get my nose poked because it's not my house and I'm not an asshole, but there are just so many things wrong with where we're at. So it's no longer considered gauche to Papers Please gatekeep social functions? Should I demand everyone arrive proving their negative measles status? Also, it would be okay if I could provide different papers proving I was a Pfizer customer six months ago? Got a shot that stats tell us optimistically works for like two weeks? Then I'm invincible and can breathe all over [other family member] because Mommy Moderna said so. But no jab means I'm potentially dangerous? In theory, the only people showing up to that function who are actually going to be "safe" are the unvaxxed, because I guess now we're treating Good Upstanding Johnson and Johnson card-carriers as if they're immune to carrying disease outright. As if this were a real vaccine that provided immunity. Which we all acknowledge it isn't.

We live in a different universe from 2019.

Oh no, my parents won't be able to attend. They're both COVID positive. I'm so scared they're both going to die. Neither one has any symptoms or had the faintest idea they contracted the Deadliest Virus In The History Of Ever, but I'm sure their active grass-touching lifestyle has nothing to do with the incredible luck here. I'm ready to call an ambulance any second. They must be secretly at death's door.

 

[Vic Viper T301]

Mild powerlevel, but my job was with a private collection agency with a federal contract to collect on defaulted student loans. I was just told that the department of education has now cancelled all contracts with PCAs and the business is about to fold. So thanks for closing more business and shutting the door on my diminishing hopes of getting to return to my job, Joe Biden. And if you pay taxes in the US, prepare to foot the bill for a whole lot of people's stupid decisions.

Edit: Sorry, reason this relates to Covid is this all originated with the CARES act signed by Trump that severely limited how we could operate due to Covid. When Biden took office he extended it all the way until the end of September, forcing the company to lay off over half of the staff. We were planning to bring everyone back when it expired at the end of Sept, and then he extended it again to the end of Janurary 2022. And now they've straight up cancelled all the contracts.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

30,000 Cases Detected of AY.4.2. COVID Variant That Could Spread Faster Than Original Delta

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30,000 Cases Detected of AY.4.2. COVID Variant That Could Spread Faster Than Original Delta

Ed Browne 5 hrs ago
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More than 30,000 cases of the AY.4.2 COVID variant have been detected worldwide, according to tracking data.

AY.4.2 is an offshoot of the Delta variant AY.4, meaning it is a variant of a variant of Delta.

It is marked by two mutations called Y145H and A222V that affect AY.4.2's spike protein, which is what the virus uses to enter human cells.

Researchers took note of AY.4.2 last month after data showed the variant was spreading around the U.K., accounting for a growing percentage of new cases.

According to Outbreak.Info, which collects data on the spread of COVID variants using a virus reporting network called GISAID, AY.4.2 accounted for between 13 and 14 percent of new coronavirus samples that were sequenced in the U.K. as of November 8. That figure has been growing since July.

The variant does not appear to be spreading as fast in the U.S., where, according to the same data, there have been a total of 28 cases reported from 11 states.

Worldwide, there had been 32,004 AY.4.2 cases reported from 37 countries, Outbreak.Info showed on November 8.

Figures on AY.4.2 may have changed significantly since late last month due partly to reporting fluctuations, which GISAID has acknowledged.

Last month, the U.K. Health Security Agency (HSA) noted that growth rates for AY.4.2 are estimated to be slightly higher than for other Delta variants. Some scientists had already pointed out that the variant appeared to be more transmissible than its ancestors.

The HSA noted that according to preliminary analysis, AY.4.2 did not show any significant increase in vaccine resistance compared to other Delta variants. More testing is needed to confirm this.

AY.4.2 has been classified as a "variant under investigation" in the U.K., with the label VUI-21OCT-01.

U.S. officials acknowledged the variant in a White House press briefing on October 20, in which Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) director Rochelle Walensky said the sub-variant had been detected "on occasion" in the country, "but not with recent increased frequency or clustering to date."

She added: "At this time, there is no evidence that the sub-lineage AY 4.2 impacts the effectiveness of our current vaccines or therapeutics, and we will continue to follow up."

According to the World Health Organization, just under 250 million confirmed cases of COVID-19 had been reported worldwide as of Monday afternoon along with 5,047,652 deaths. 7 billion vaccine doses had been administered.

Even if you are the biggest pro-vaccine uber-vaxxer the strategy of designing vaccines that only target a single protein should concern you.
Two variations in the spike protein already.

 

[Nique la mere de Macron]

My department (and dozens of others) has just drastically dropped the # of (vaccinated and masked) people allowed in concert halls, nightclubs, and the like. The so-called "constitutional council" has lived up to my expectations and rubber-stamped the extension of the vax pass until the end of NEXT JULY. (Seriously, I can't remember when they have ever done anything in response to a request other than to say "yep, it's totally constitutional, well done Mr. President!").

And Euronews is reporting no normal tourism until 2024.

FML. I hope the economies of Western Europe in general and France in particular and Parisian bobo neighborhoods particularly in particular crash and burn.

Spoiler

My company is elsewhere, I'm not paid in euros, and

I don't give a fuck anymore.

 

[twosu]

I'm attending a family function in the near future. [Family member] has requested that all dirty unvaxxed get a test before coming because [other family member] is immunocompromised.

I'll get my nose poked because it's not my house and I'm not an asshole, but there are just so many things wrong with where we're at. So it's no longer considered gauche to Papers Please gatekeep social functions? Should I demand everyone arrive proving their negative measles status? Also, it would be okay if I could provide different papers proving I was a Pfizer customer six months ago? Got a shot that stats tell us optimistically works for like two weeks? Then I'm invincible and can breathe all over [other family member] because Mommy Moderna said so. But no jab means I'm potentially dangerous? In theory, the only people showing up to that function who are actually going to be "safe" are the unvaxxed, because I guess now we're treating Good Upstanding Johnson and Johnson card-carriers as if they're immune to carrying disease outright. As if this were a real vaccine that provided immunity. Which we all acknowledge it isn't.

We live in a different universe from 2019.

You cucked. The only reasonable answer is 'get fucked, I'm not coming'.

 

[twosu]

Rumor was that the Chi Omega initiation ceremony included having the girls lie naked in a coffin. Not sure how true that is, but that's what everyone thought happened. Doesn't skull and bones do something similar?

Went to visit my elderly parents today. My dad was going on about me getting the booster shot (I already caved and got double jabbed). I told him that I wasn't going to get it. He said it was "just a half dose of the regular shot". I told him that my second shot was horrible (I had some heart racing and palpitations in addition to the chills, fever, and general horribleness. Ended up going to the doctor because the heart stuff was pretty uncomfortable and kind of scary) and I didn't want to go through that again. I told him Israel is on it's 2nd booster already and I wasn't going to sign up for taking shots every 3 months.

He finally said that I'll end up losing immunity and then I won't be able to come over and visit anymore. So, I asked him if I would have to show my vaccine card to get into his house and he said "maybe". So I said, I'll just teach you guys how to use Zoom and we can have online meetings.

So, if you are thinking about getting a shot to shut people up -- don't. It will never be enough. And they will never, ever respect your right to make your own medical decisions. He's going to get the cheap nursing home one day if he pushes me too far.

For Christ's sake, stop cucking to morons.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Already seeing tons of pictures of little kids with their baby shark bandaids on after getting the jabs... this is the end isn't it folks? There's no way we can go back from this. We've sold our children. For a virus that effects them as much as a common cold. Some parents are so excited they are actually crying at the appointments.

Meanwhile I'll just be over here being a filthy unvaxxed, showing up to get my weekly swab just to keep my job. The future looks pretty grim though. I wish I was of retirement age so I could at least not have to worry about the job aspect.

Parent's have sold their children since as long as humans became domesticated.
Reminder that Jonestown parents made their own kids drink the flavor-aid first.

Point being, vaccination status of any sort was, until two years ago, almost entirely a personal issue. Nobody cared. Nobody was required to care. It wasn't necessary to care. Now it's suddenly not only necessary, but moral to demand personal medical information before we can engage in normal human interactions, and to punish people who exercise their right to decline to divulge that information.

I mean people still made fun of legit anti-vaxxers, the kind of loony moms who think that essential oils and colloidal silver will save their kids from fucking measles, whooping cough or polio - but those were all relatively highly lethal to kids.
Basically it was making fun of the people who wouldn't vaccinate their kids to save their kids.

Now, it has morphed into "vaccinate your kids to save the boomers who are already vaccinated but their vaccines don't work unless your kids are vaxxed too".

 

[Billy Beer]

Covid-19: Vaccines to be compulsory for frontline NHS staff in England

Frontline staff will have until April to get vaccinated to protect patients, the health secretary says.

www.bbc.co.uk

"You've got to get jabbed to save those who are vulnerable, and I'll give you six months to do so..."

 

[twosu]

Sigh,

Really guys...it is just a vaccine...

I'm sure you guys don't really believe that the vaccine has no value whatsoever. You can whine about restrictions for those without the vaccine; and you can argue about whether someone has a right to a vaccine mandate - God know you have some valid points! But to use those as an argument (vaccine is satan's cock) to argue the latter points isn't an argument you can win or support because they are mutually exclusive and the premise of a "pointless vaccine or harmless vaccine" is untrue. Your points on freedom are mandates could be made with any vaccine or healthcare requirement - so keep them exclusive.

If you want to argue about a dangerous medicine, one that could be an utter disaster, I'll support you on the UKs abnormal decision (and it looks like the EU and USA will follow) to release molnupiravir to the public.

Even some exceptional scientists are raging against this drug. I threw the papers available at some that know more than I or most and they were downright fucking horrified that they are releasing this drug; and some were unsurprised when a similar drug was proposed a decade ago to fight Influenza that even the Pharma company thought was a fucking bad idea and threw out the drug.

Its NOT a vaccine, its an experimental mRNA gene therapy. Why do you lie?

 

[Car Won't Crank]

Oh no, my parents won't be able to attend. They're both COVID positive. I'm so scared they're both going to die. Neither one has any symptoms or had the faintest idea they contracted the Deadliest Virus In The History Of Ever, but I'm sure their active grass-touching lifestyle has nothing to do with the incredible luck here. I'm ready to call an ambulance any second. They must be secretly at death's door.

Idk about you but skirting around bullshit family rules like that is one of the easiest things to do. Not like a fake jab card (if oyu were to use that) is gonna be cross referenced with some fed database or anything like that. I wouldn't submit to any testing unless you actually felt sick.

 

[SouthernBitchBob]

Idk about you but skirting around bullshit family rules like that is one of the easiest things to do. Not like a fake jab card (if oyu were to use that) is gonna be cross referenced with some fed database or anything like that. I wouldn't submit to any testing unless you actually felt sick.

I'd considered it, but I can swab my nose at home with a test kit. Though I'm personally unconcerned about the rebranded common cold, if a family member with an actually feeble immune system wants to keep themselves cold-free then my mental calculus makes a 15 minute home kit test worth my time. I can argue about how silly it is to obsess over this disease in specific later. I can later point out the stupidity in requesting tests from The Unjabbed when the theoretically lower incidence of symptoms in The Jabbed makes them more likely spreaders. I can roll my eyes at the idea that a bubble person is even considering attending a big party if they're so damn afraid of exposure to pathogens, let alone one as unthreatening as covid. But at the end of the day, if I can spend fifteen minutes making sure I don't breathe cold germs on a creakier-than-normal old lady, fine. I'd get a flu shot and take some extra vitamins if I planned to visit grannies on chemo. If she starts hacking up a lung, my hands are washed of responsibility.

Just because covid shots are stupid experimental gene therapy and the disease itself is a nonthreatening cold, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

 

[Non-breath oblige]

This is where I get confused. I never had to show proof of any sort of vaccination for school or university. I've never had to prove I've been vaccinated to do anything. I was recommended the malaria vaccine when travelling to south america, which I took because I've seen what happens to people who don't, but it wasn't a requirement. They didn't force me to wear a mask until I took it. I wasn't denied entry to local shops or the airport unless I proved I'd taken it. I wasn't forced to quarantine in my home when I returned and take daily tests until they decided I was safe to let out.

Malaria is endemic in large parts of south america, but there was never any question that I'd be an asymptomatic plague carrier until proven otherwise.

Point being, vaccination status of any sort was, until two years ago, almost entirely a personal issue. Nobody cared. Nobody was required to care. It wasn't necessary to care. Now it's suddenly not only necessary, but moral to demand personal medical information before we can engage in normal human interactions, and to punish people who exercise their right to decline to divulge that information.

ymmv, but the academic institutions I attended required "proof" as in "manually fill out this sheet/form with the vaccine and date of jab, no way this could ever be faked"

ofc the branchies use this as "SeE We'vE AlWaYs rEqUiReD PrOoF FoR VaCcInAtIoNs" but looking back now, I doubt they actually took the time to cross check it against anything, cause I remember having to take a wild guess on dates for some "required" vaccinations that I got as a toddler for the same reasons as @Save the Loli (original doctor had long since retired, wasn't worth the hassle to run around dig up old records) and it was never brought up.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

This is where I get confused. I never had to show proof of any sort of vaccination for school or university. I've never had to prove I've been vaccinated to do anything. I was recommended the malaria vaccine when travelling to south america, which I took because I've seen what happens to people who don't, but it wasn't a requirement. They didn't force me to wear a mask until I took it. I wasn't denied entry to local shops or the airport unless I proved I'd taken it. I wasn't forced to quarantine in my home when I returned and take daily tests until they decided I was safe to let out.

Malaria is endemic in large parts of south america, but there was never any question that I'd be an asymptomatic plague carrier until proven otherwise.

Point being, vaccination status of any sort was, until two years ago, almost entirely a personal issue. Nobody cared. Nobody was required to care. It wasn't necessary to care. Now it's suddenly not only necessary, but moral to demand personal medical information before we can engage in normal human interactions, and to punish people who exercise their right to decline to divulge that information.

My recollection of the college vaccine requirement was a sternly worded letter informing me that I ABSOLUTELY MUST have received x y and z shots before going on campus. And then the proof required was me filling in the dates on a paper and turning it in. I couldn't remember the dates for some so I guessed. My roommate's pediatrician's office literally burned down so they just put random dates for everything. No one ever checked, clearly.