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Have you found that the same people who are up in arms about preventing corona deaths just handwave away the statistics about suicides because of the lockdowns, deaths due to starvation, and so on? It's like it barely registers with them as an issue. Why do they care so much about corona but fuck all else?
some complete fucking retard on reddit who went to my university and was a complete COVID cultist and made completely deranged posts with! exclamation! marks! called someone out a year ago for a post for being "insensitive" due to a student's recent suicide. bonus points is the kid who an heroed was an engineering student and in march 2020 they said they would "gladly throw engineering students and their labs under the bus"
 
My partner's family are trying to bully me into being vaccinated before I fly south to their place for Christmas. It is not a requirement to travel domestically within New Zealand where I live. Apparently if I choose to not get it then I have to "talk it over" with his mother who is a nurse to justify my decision and his grandmother who paid for my plane ticket. It is important so I don't "accidentally spread covid to an untouched part of the country".

This shit is still in the third stage of trialing and I'm not comfortable with this kind of pressure to make a private medical decision on the incorrect basis that it stops the spread because it doesn't.

I'm considering just lying because I don't want to get into this with his family. "No" isn't an answer for them and it would create a massive divide as well as affect the dynamic between his family and I. My partner has already talked down to me a lot when I've displayed hesitancy.

I have nobody else to discuss this with at present so I guess I'm just leaving this here as documentation that social pressure for this is huge and I think it's wrong.
One of my cousins who really didn't want the vaccine finally relented and got it because his dad wouldn't let him in the house without it. Over the summer there was a birthday party for one of them, he had to give his sister over for it but could only drop her off at the gate, they wouldn't see him. They were all vaccinated.
 
That story might be already mentioned but it's worth to repost.
Authored by Paul Joseph Watson via Summit News,

A leaked government report has found that vaccine passports could actually exacerbate the spread of COVID because they would encourage people to visit smaller, more poorly ventilated venues.


According to the report, compiled by the the Department of Digital, Culture, Media and Sport [DCMS], introducing the scheme could actually have the opposite intended effect.

“If certification displaces some fans from structured and well ventilated sports stadia, this could lead to them attending unstructured and poorly ventilated pubs instead, where they will have access to more alcohol than if there were in the stadia,” states the report.
“Evidence from the Euros showed spikes in cases associated with pubs even when England were playing abroad.”
“The policy would also slash turnover for the organisers of events required to use vaccine passports, and necessitate the hiring of thousands of new stewards which may be hard to deliver,” reports the Telegraph.

After Scotland tried to introduce vaccine passports, the process was called an “unmitigated disaster,” with staff at nightclubs receiving abuse and the technology repeatedly failing.

Many venues decided to close early and lost 40% of their footfall, illustrating once again how the scheme will put innumerable nightclubs that operate on a profit margin of 15% out of business for good.

Another example of how vaccine passports are largely useless is the fact that providing a negative test is no longer being offered as an option, despite the fact that the vaccinated can still transmit the virus.
 
My partner's family are trying to bully me into being vaccinated before I fly south to their place for Christmas. It is not a requirement to travel domestically within New Zealand where I live. Apparently if I choose to not get it then I have to "talk it over" with his mother who is a nurse to justify my decision and his grandmother who paid for my plane ticket. It is important so I don't "accidentally spread covid to an untouched part of the country".

This shit is still in the third stage of trialing and I'm not comfortable with this kind of pressure to make a private medical decision on the incorrect basis that it stops the spread because it doesn't.

I'm considering just lying because I don't want to get into this with his family. "No" isn't an answer for them and it would create a massive divide as well as affect the dynamic between his family and I. My partner has already talked down to me a lot when I've displayed hesitancy.

I have nobody else to discuss this with at present so I guess I'm just leaving this here as documentation that social pressure for this is huge and I think it's wrong.
Sounds like you should bail on him, honestly. Now if I'm misinterpreting it and he's just saying "Respectfully disagree, but I love you" then fine, that's natural; to be expected in any relationship. But if it's not that and just condescending talking down to? Fuck him, leave. If he doesn't respect your decision about this, what makes you think he'll respect your future choices in life? Or you as a person in general? Furthermore, "No" is the only answer you ever need and fuck absolutely anyone who says otherwise.

Also a disclaimer that I am just some random retard on the internet, so take my spergy advice how you will.
 
Sounds like you should bail on him, honestly. Now if I'm misinterpreting it and he's just saying "Respectfully disagree, but I love you" then fine, that's natural; to be expected in any relationship. But if it's not that and just condescending talking down to? Fuck him, leave. If he doesn't respect your decision about this, what makes you think he'll respect your future choices in life? Or you as a person in general? Furthermore, "No" is the only answer you ever need and fuck absolutely anyone who says otherwise.

Also a disclaimer that I am just some random exceptional individual on the internet, so take my spergy advice how you will.
@Virgo, this dude is demanding that you "talk it over" with his MOTHER? OK, this is going to sound very Reddit-ish and DTMFA but
as somebody who once had a shitty husband with a shitty family who mistakenly believed they could tell me what the fuck to do
if I were you I would really think about whether this is the kind of family you want to have all up in your business forever. Today it's the coof injection. A year or two or three from now, they'll be deciding that they know better than you do whether you should breastfeed, whether you or he should be the breadwinner, what kind of home you should live in.... give these busybodies an inch and they'll take every mile of your path for the rest of your life.

Topic? COVID seems to have brought out the busybody in a whole bunch of people whose faces are itching to be smacked, obviously in Minecraft.

OK done now.

ETA: Alternatively, don't DTMFA, just don't go to what sounds like a really un-fun Christmas. Reimburse Grandma for the ticket if you can, so you don't owe anything to anyone, let the partner go listen to them shit-talk you for the entire holiday, and enjoy yourself as selfishly as possible (I'm meaning this as a GOOD thing) eating whatever the fuck you want and watching Hallmark Christmas movies if that's your jam. Continue the Christmas boycott for years until you guys have kids (if you don't already and if you choose to have them), and then make the busybodies come groveling to you. And then, if they aren't OCTUPLE-VAXXED or whatever number you're up to by then, tell them they'll have to "talk it over" with your doctor before they will be allowed on your property.
 
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Thank you! I do promise you that I'm only attending for appearance purposes only as I plan to separate as soon as my financial situation allows. Things have been sour for a long time. Also his mother is a nurse, and he worships the ground she walks on. I figure it's better to get formalities out of the way now and break the news of being done with this later when I have a leg to stand on. Thank you for your concern and for encouraging me with the fact that "No." is a complete sentence. <3
 
If they do this, and the people don't rise up and throw them in the thames, I will give up. At that point I will be living in a nation of literal slaves. Might as well drink myself into a coma and die, because it wouldn't be worth staying alive. Maybe I can get refugee status in Sweden. Or maybe I can go and jump in the fucking la palma volcano.
-Rational americans when the government started de-segregating schools 1950s.
 
Huh. Maybe it's because now I'm keeping an eye out for it, but a german newspaper posted another article on how "Broken Heart Syndrome" is on the rise, especially affecting women, and leading to symptoms very similar to a heart attack, and potentially killing the person. Stress is the killer here.
Remember those graphs showing how often MSM articles used "Occupy Wallstreet" and "Systemic Racism" and so on? I wonder wether we'll see a significant uptick of articles mentioning stress-related heart problems and Broken Heart Syndrome and young people always being at war with Eurasia keeling over dead while jogging.
Broken Heart Syndrome is a weakening (and later rupture) of the walls between ventricles. This is (as far as I can McGyver together a word) cardiolysitis.
 
My job update: At my job you don't have to wear a mask if vaxxed and you just have to go to a different entrance if you want a mask or not vaxxed. No more temp checks. No word yet on mandatory vax.
 
(crosspost)

I'd like to remind everyone that the coof vaccines don't fucking work. Shocking, I know, that a rushed science experiment for-profit from a corrupt company trying to control countries all over the world by withholding these shots that got FDA approval using inaccurate, incomplete, outdated data is a load of trash.

There is currently an outbreak spreading rapidly in the military hospital here and all of the positive cases are forcibly-vaccinated military members. The count was five yesterday, and it's 13 so far as of this morning at the beginning of the duty day. EDIT: My bad, it's 13 more cases just this morning, making the total since yesterday 18. Leadership is trying to cover it up and telling their staff that they are not allowed to talk about it.

I'd also like to remind everyone that the military members refusing to be experimented on with the shots are in the process of being dishonorably discharged as I type this. They are going to have even more trouble finding work into the civilian world that they're being forcibly ejected into while their former coworkers and their families are all getting sick both from the shot and in spite of the shot.

Various doctors and nurses working the ER have told me quietly that their entire families all got sick immediately after the military member got sick from their own shot after I informed them while I was sick that my husband had gotten the shot and was still sick from it. That's just sick.
 
Dan explaining that 87% of those currently in hospital with Covid and 96% in ICU were not 'fully vaccinated".


Confirmation from the ministry website


For some unknown reason the Victorian and Australian governments do not give the raw data on hospital admissions by age. I can't think why? So we'll have to rely on CDC data and infer from percentages and mortality data that are published.

First of all lets look at vaccination rates by age in Victoria



There are 2.2 million people over the age of 50 in the state of which 1.886 million have been fully vaccinated and 2.13 million have received at least one dose.

Fully vaxxed- 85.3%
At least one dose- 96.3%

In total there are exactly 82,406 unvaxxed over 50's in the entire state, with 324,741 having received one dose

Now let's look at hospital admissions by age


According to current CDC data 70.4% of all hospital admission in the US are in the over 50's with 42% being in the over 65' demo.

Well maybe the vaccines are so good in Australia that old people aren't getting sick and ending up in hospital?

Sadly, the Department was notified of four deaths yesterday, bringing the total number of deaths in Victoria since the pandemic began to 1,052.

  • Four people in their 80s

So no. As with previous outbreaks the vast majority of serious illness is occurring in the very old.

There are 743,000 over 70's in Victoria of which 98.3% are vaccinated.

There are 12,596 unvaxxed over 70's left in the entire state.

So from this pool of 12500 people we would expect to see approx 40% of all hospital admissions, well at least according to Dan.

There are 817 people in hospital with Covid, so 326 unvaxxed geezers are currently clogging up our wards with their nasty unvaccinated bodies. 2.6% of the entire unvaxxed elderly don't just have Covid they're in hospital with it as we speak.

Assuming a 20% hospitalisation rate in this age group, that would mean 1630 of the non vaxxed currently are suffering from Covid-19. Wow that's a lot, 13% of this entire population have the coof!

So how likely is it that 13% of an entire geographically scattered population would be suffering from Covid-19 all at the same time? Shit let's be super generous and assume a 40% hospitalisation rate, how likely is that 7% of the population would come down with it? Well it's the Delta, and we know that it's literally the measles crossed with AIDS, but even so at the height of an uncontrolled Covid outbreak, which Victoria isn't suffering, we would expect to see 600 cases per 100,000 population per week, which in this case would mean 75 cases total and perhaps 30 hospital admissions. Given the current case numbers we can safely divide that by 5. 15 cases and 6 hospital admissions.

The problem that the Branch Covidian movement faces is that they're running out of unvaxxed old people to justify their lies. As we get to our 90% plus of all over 12's who've been jabbed expect the messaging to change.

Instead of the 'pandemic of the unvaccinated' it will be ' those who didn't get their booster and third doses on time are ending up in ICU' or 'Delta is now attacking unvaccinated small children and they're ending up in Covid wards'. We already see this propaganda in highly vaccinated nations like Ireland and the UK.
 
My job update: At my job you don't have to wear a mask if vaxxed and you just have to go to a different entrance if you want a mask or not vaxxed. No more temp checks. No word yet on mandatory vax.
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(crosspost)

I'd like to remind everyone that the coof vaccines don't fucking work. Shocking, I know, that a rushed science experiment for-profit from a corrupt company trying to control countries all over the world by withholding these shots that got FDA approval using inaccurate, incomplete, outdated data is a load of trash.

There is currently an outbreak spreading rapidly in the military hospital here and all of the positive cases are forcibly-vaccinated military members. The count was five yesterday, and it's 13 so far as of this morning at the beginning of the duty day. EDIT: My bad, it's 13 more cases just this morning, making the total since yesterday 18. Leadership is trying to cover it up and telling their staff that they are not allowed to talk about it.

I'd also like to remind everyone that the military members refusing to be experimented on with the shots are in the process of being dishonorably discharged as I type this. They are going to have even more trouble finding work into the civilian world that they're being forcibly ejected into while their former coworkers and their families are all getting sick both from the shot and in spite of the shot.

Various doctors and nurses working the ER have told me quietly that their entire families all got sick immediately after the military member got sick from their own shot after I informed them while I was sick that my husband had gotten the shot and was still sick from it. That's just sick.
That's so fucking suspect. It should come as no surprise that this is the result when the mainstream media and hacks like Fauci push this shit so hard.
 
This thread got me to buy a whole bunch of supplements, and, I gotta say, I genuinely have never felt better & I haven't gotten ill a single time in the past year. Normally I'd be ill a couple or a few times a year. Maybe this is because I'm out less vs before, but it's not like I'm a complete recluse. I am also eating a lot more healthily so could be that too, but I think it all goes hand in hand. I care a lot more about what I eat now as a result.

AM
Calcium - 800mg
Vitamin D - 2000IU (1000IU should be sufficient)
NAC - 1200mg
ALCAR - 500mg
Vitamin B12 - 500μg

I also eat 80g of blueberries, but I do this a couple of hours after taking the supplements, to stop the calcium I'm taking from inhibiting absorption of the magnesium in the blueberries.

PM
Melatonin - 0.5mg
ALCAR - 500mg
NAC - 1200mg (I actually take this around 5pm, because I think it wears off sooner than 12hrs for me)
Magnesium glycinate - 1500mg which yields 300mg magnesium. Do not buy magnesium oxide, it's practically worthless.
Zinc - 12mg
Vitamin B6 - 2mg

Also, this whole situation can get stressful af at points, so if I'm feeling overly anxious, 80mg of lavender (in a gel capsule) works amazingly.

But if you're only going to take one thing, take vitamin D.

Highly recommending www.examine.com again for info on supplements, fantastic resource.

Pure anecdotal, but I've been taking the generic daily dietary supplements for some time which seems to be mostly on par with the doses mentioned common vitamin-wise (Vitamin D dose is the same), and also haven't felt any major natural sickness for the past few years. (Yeah there's the studies of akshually it doesn't reeeally help your body that much...but whatever.) Always been in close contact with people and grocery shopping even through the lockdowns while also not literally dumping sanitizer on every part of my body and everything I touch at every possible moment, and doing the extremely bare minimum of "mask" "wearing" (if you even could call it that...ymmv but as long as you kinda look the part, I've had nothing covering my nose or barely covering my mouth and no one stops me). Occasionally hear about bug waves flying around and see even the hardcore health/fitness/branch covid co-workers taking more than one non-post-jab sick day, but nothing from me. Wouldn't say I'm super hardcore on either dieting or working out or being outside all the time myself, but weekly meal prep at home (more out of laziness and cheapness rather than watching calories) and not being germaphobic has prob had some part.
 
Dan explaining that 87% of those currently in hospital with Covid and 96% in ICU were not 'fully vaccinated".

https://youtube.com/watch?v=a6ZoKLZxcZk
Confirmation from the ministry website


For some unknown reason the Victorian and Australian governments do not give the raw data on hospital admissions by age. I can't think why? So we'll have to rely on CDC data and infer from percentages and mortality data that are published.

First of all lets look at vaccination rates by age in Victoria



There are 2.2 million people over the age of 50 in the state of which 1.886 million have been fully vaccinated and 2.13 million have received at least one dose.

Fully vaxxed- 85.3%
At least one dose- 96.3%

In total there are exactly 82,406 unvaxxed over 50's in the entire state, with 324,741 having received one dose

Now let's look at hospital admissions by age


According to current CDC data 70.4% of all hospital admission in the US are in the over 50's with 42% being in the over 65' demo.

Well maybe the vaccines are so good in Australia that old people aren't getting sick and ending up in hospital?



So no. As with previous outbreaks the vast majority of serious illness is occurring in the very old.

There are 743,000 over 70's in Victoria of which 98.3% are vaccinated.

There are 12,596 unvaxxed over 70's left in the entire state.

So from this pool of 12500 people we would expect to see approx 40% of all hospital admissions, well at least according to Dan.

There are 817 people in hospital with Covid, so 326 unvaxxed geezers are currently clogging up our wards with their nasty unvaccinated bodies. 2.6% of the entire unvaxxed elderly don't just have Covid they're in hospital with it as we speak.

Assuming a 20% hospitalisation rate in this age group, that would mean 1630 of the non vaxxed currently are suffering from Covid-19. Wow that's a lot, 13% of this entire population have the coof!

So how likely is it that 13% of an entire geographically scattered population would be suffering from Covid-19 all at the same time? Shit let's be super generous and assume a 40% hospitalisation rate, how likely is that 7% of the population would come down with it? Well it's the Delta, and we know that it's literally the measles crossed with AIDS, but even so at the height of an uncontrolled Covid outbreak, which Victoria isn't suffering, we would expect to see 600 cases per 100,000 population per week, which in this case would mean 75 cases total and perhaps 30 hospital admissions. Given the current case numbers we can safely divide that by 5. 15 cases and 6 hospital admissions.

The problem that the Branch Covidian movement faces is that they're running out of unvaxxed old people to justify their lies. As we get to our 90% plus of all over 12's who've been jabbed expect the messaging to change.

Instead of the 'pandemic of the unvaccinated' it will be ' those who didn't get their booster and third doses on time are ending up in ICU' or 'Delta is now attacking unvaccinated small children and they're ending up in Covid wards'. We already see this propaganda in highly vaccinated nations like Ireland and the UK.
Regualr hysterical people in Ireland are still blaming the filthy hordes of unvaxed, but I have noticed the media shifting. There wsa one article in the past week or two saying the uptake rate isn't high enough (at 90%) and they're really pushing the unvaccinated pregnant women angle, I heard at least three radio ads in the space of a couple of hours encouraging pregnant women to take the shot. Mentions of boosters are increasing, at the moment they're only for oldies but the seeds are being sown for a wider rollout. The most worrying things is that more people are saying vaccines alone won't be enough and I'm sure they're priming us for more restrictions, especially after the covid certs were just extended into next year. It's become a pattern with the government to say something will or won't happen, then flip at the 11th hour and push through legislation that often isn't published for review until after it's supposed to have taken effect.

Though they have finally considered that some people can't get it for medical reasons and will graciously allow those people to submit to constant testing instead.

 
Out of curiosity - what is your regimen?
I have been easing into a vitamin regimen, it usually takes me a while to decide whether I want to take something regularly. I like to poke around on pubmed for a while before I decide to go with something. I don't really want to wake up and take 12 vitamin pills. I started with Vit D, but just 1000IUs, after a couple months I switched to 1000IU Vit D and 100mcg K2 combination pill. Apparently K2 is found in fermented foods, so I thought why not combine the two if they are supposed to work together, could be some benefits there. I do plan on getting D levels checked at the doctors next time I'm there.

In the morning with breakfast (consistent)
1000mg Vitamin C, but the calcium ascorbate kind, not the ascorbic acid kind (the ascorbic acid just gives me heartburn for whatever reason)

At night with dinner (consistent)
1000IU D3 + 100mcg K2 Daily if I get no significant sun, if I do I skip.
200mg elemental magnesium (a bis-glycinate magnesium supplement) if it's the night before a workout (3x a week)

Before bed a few hours after dinner (changes depending on zinc lozenge use)
25mg zinc (bis-glycinate pill) 3x/week

Before I go out/or if I forget, when I come back (have been doing this before covid rolled around):
Zinc lozenge around 25mg (Zinc citrate/gluconate) Tried a couple different kinds, but found one without artificial sweeteners in it.

Iodine: Trying to be more consistent with my iodine, I bought a few bags of plain dried seaweed, and I try to eat a bit of this everyday, but I sometimes forget. It goes good in soup. It's another one of those vitamins that people are deficient in, partly due to eating less iodized salt.

Have on hand:
I have 3mg melatonin that I tried, but cut into 4 (0.75mg dose) tried that nightly, but I didn't want to do it long term, so I stopped. I thought it might be messing up my ability to fall asleep regularly. I think I would take it again if I got sick, but at half pill amount (1.5mg). I felt kind of crappy in the morning if I went over 1/4 pill, a 1/8th pill didn't really do anything noticeable. I know the FLCCC says take way more than this, but I haven't made up my mind. I think I'm leaning on a half 3mg pill if I caught something. If I still cant sleep when sick I would increase it.

Quercetin 500mg - I am just working this into things, I like to take something for a bit and see how I feel. If I get sick I think I will take it at the 500mg dose for a short time. Still reading studies on it.

I also try to look into the history of the supplement company and check to see if they had a recall on anything, or any weird controversies cropping up, you are putting your trust in them when you buy their products. I don't buy everything from a single company.
This may be a PL, but
"I've had that "worst cold ever" (it's more like bronchitis) for a FULL MONTH now and assumed that yeah, it was a weakened immune system (despite taking Vitamin D, zinc, and all the rest) from (1) all of our lockdowns and (2) being banned from going pretty much anywhere thanks to the "pass sanitaire.""]
The forever cough is something I know well. The bronchitis was something I usually got in the winter, and it was never gone in only 2 weeks. It's sort of odd to hear people talk about something I usually experienced once a year. Usually start as a tickly throat, and then sore, then the nighttime persistent cough would keep me awake forever and ruin any good sleep I was going to have. I think that's why the thing is so hard to shake. I just considered it "the norm."

Maybe some of us haven't been able to go out as much, but hopefully everyone has managed to find a way to "play in the dirt" so to speak. There are tons of bacteria/fungi/viruses just outside your window, make sure you roll around in the grass at least once a week/dig in some dirt.
 
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