Wuhan Coronavirus: Lockdowns, Quarantines, Cancellations

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a quote from CoronavirusUK on Reddit: "
Yeah there is absolutely no way pubs and clubs will be open again. I've seen a lot of people on social media who seen to confuse the lockdown being relaxed with the lockdown being completely lifted and everything back to normal."
 
Hollywood Hulk Hogan said:
Unless you want people to die, we gotta stay locked down. It really does suck. But I do agree some "essential" stuff is being abused and stupid. Such as churches and beaches being labeled "essential". That shit ain't essential. Grocery stores, gas stations, etc... yes.
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Don't know what part of country you're from, but apparently the Texas governor is planning to start the state back up. Not all at once but in steps. If you were in Texas- you'd probably be shaking in fear. Now, whether it comes true don't know. He may just delay it and extend the stay at home orders.
 
mothman96 said:
Don't know what part of country you're from, but apparently the Texas governor is planning to start the state back up. Not all at once but in steps. If you were in Texas- you'd probably be shaking in fear. Now, whether it comes true don't know. He may just delay it and extend the stay at home orders.
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I am not part of a vulnerable population, so I don't know why you think I'd be shaking in fear (although I am not immune, or is anyone else). I care more about my parents, uncles, aunts, elderly friends, etc... But anyway, that will probably end up with them having to redo the stay at home orders because more people will end up infected. This is going to go on for a while, unfortunately.

Since you are obviously against the stay at home orders, what do you think should be done instead?
 
Hollywood Hulk Hogan said:
I am not part of a vulnerable population, so I don't know why you think I'd be shaking in fear (although I am not immune, or is anyone else). I care more about my parents, uncles, aunts, elderly friends, etc... But anyway, that will probably end up with them having to redo the stay at home orders because more people will end up infected. This is going to go on for a while, unfortunately.

Since you are obviously against the stay at home orders, what do you think should be done instead?
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By looking at the Texas governor's page, it seems to me he's preparing the state. Seeing to it that hospitals, medical personnel are in place if needed etc. It doesn't look like he's throwing caution to the wind.
Me, I'm not paid to govern.
 
mothman96 said:
By looking at the Texas governor's page, it seems to me he's preparing the state. Seeing to it that hospitals, medical personnel are in place if needed etc. It doesn't look like he's throwing caution to the wind.
Me, I'm not paid to govern.
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The issue is that hospitals will get overrun. There are only so many ICU beds and ventilators. And since it's contagious without symptoms being present, it will spread quickly
 
mothman96 said:
Don't know what part of country you're from, but apparently the Texas governor is planning to start the state back up. Not all at once but in steps. If you were in Texas- you'd probably be shaking in fear. Now, whether it comes true don't know. He may just delay it and extend the stay at home orders.
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About damn time
 
Hollywood Hulk Hogan said:
The issue is that hospitals will get overrun. There are only so many ICU beds and ventilators. And since it's contagious without symptoms being present, it will spread quickly
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Where I live there is an enormous financial incentive for corona patients and triple for ICU corona patients. They also sent out docs saying that its okay to put COVID-19 as the reason of death even if the patient wasn't tested for it. It really raises my eyebrows...
 
Hollywood Hulk Hogan said:
The issue is that hospitals will get overrun. There are only so many ICU beds and ventilators. And since it's contagious without symptoms being present, it will spread quickly
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I'm thinking the governor in Texas has taken all into consideration. For him to take the step (if it does happen) there is reason for it.
 
SickNastyBastard said:
Where I live there is an enormous financial incentive for corona patients and triple for ICU corona patients. They also sent out docs saying that its okay to put COVID-19 as the reason of death even if the patient wasn't tested for it. It really raises my eyebrows...
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The reason they said it's okay to put the reason of death even if the patient wasn't tested for it is that there is a shortage of tests and the tests have a high false negative rate. So if the patient shows the symptoms, it's okay to do that even without a test.

mothman96 said:
I'm thinking the governor in Texas has taken all into consideration. For him to take the step (if it does happen) there is reason for it.
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I could see him doing it to keep his voting base happy.
 
Hollywood Hulk Hogan said:
The reason they said it's okay to put the reason of death even if the patient wasn't tested for it is that there is a shortage of tests and the tests have a high false negative rate. So if the patient shows the symptoms, it's okay to do that even without a test.
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That's cool. I'm glad we can inflate numbers to justify extensive lockdowns via executive orders.
 
Hollywood Hulk Hogan said:
I doubt that. What incentive would the government have to keep people in their homes? It wrecks the economy among other stuff
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Because they finally get a nice chance to go on a power trip. Not to mention they're all counting on how the economy is the secondary to people's concerns when there's supposedly a dangerous pandemic going around hence the constant fearmongering. That, and they want to make it look like they're doing something beneficial. The only models the vast majority of these politicians have looked at are models for how their ratings and the next election will go.
Hollywood Hulk Hogan said:
True, but in this case, the whole scientific community is saying that it is necessary. In normal circumstances, that wouldn't be happening. You can't buy off every scientist in the world
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And yet people complain and politicians do nothing when the same scientific community tells us all the shit we need to do to stop climate change "or else billions will die". Doctors and epidemiologists are qualified to make recommendations on public health and nothing else. There is a lot more to society than public health. Do you know how many people a year die from alcohol and tobacco related illness? A lot, and it isn't an excuse to ban alcohol and tobacco. Just regulate it. These lockdowns are a colossal failure of policy. They barely slow down the spread (because people just go to the store anyway) and they impact millions of people's lives far worse and for far longer than if they got sick. But we could instead regulate people's behavior in a far less intrusive way and still keep the number of deaths down.

Or shit, do what South Korea does if we're going to violate civil liberties.
 
Save the Loli said:
Because they finally get a nice chance to go on a power trip. Not to mention they're all counting on how the economy is the secondary to people's concerns when there's supposedly a dangerous pandemic going around hence the constant fearmongering. That, and they want to make it look like they're doing something beneficial. The only models the vast majority of these politicians have looked at are models for how their ratings and the next election will go.

And yet people complain and politicians do nothing when the same scientific community tells us all the shit we need to do to stop climate change "or else billions will die". Doctors and epidemiologists are qualified to make recommendations on public health and nothing else. There is a lot more to society than public health. Do you know how many people a year die from alcohol and tobacco related illness? A lot, and it isn't an excuse to ban alcohol and tobacco. Just regulate it. These lockdowns are a colossal failure of policy. They barely slow down the spread (because people just go to the store anyway) and they impact millions of people's lives far worse and for far longer than if they got sick. But we could instead regulate people's behavior in a far less intrusive way and still keep the number of deaths down.

Or shit, do what South Korea does if we're going to violate civil liberties.
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Are you really doubting that lockdowns are working? Its slowed the spread by a lot. That's proven fact.
 
Hollywood Hulk Hogan said:
Are you really doubting that lockdowns are working? Its slowed the spread by a lot. That's proven fact.
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It's impossible to stop the spread of this disease because of how infectious it is. You literally would need to make it so there's hazmat suit soldiers patrolling the streets making sure no one leaves their homes as they leave food on door steps. Every business would be closed. Nobody would be allowed to drive around without permission of the government.

The reality is these are half-assed measures that give few of the benefits of a real lockdown and most of the grief of it. People are free to spread disease at grocery stores or any place else that is open (including the fucking airports). Many people spread the disease without knowing, and the total number of infected is far higher than is reported because of how minor symptoms are for many who contract it. That suggests burning trillions of dollars and costing tens of millions of people their livelihood is an ineffective solution.
 
Hollywood Hulk Hogan said:
Are you really doubting that lockdowns are working? Its slowed the spread by a lot. That's proven fact.
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How does one prove that when, as you said above, testing is lacking? Seems like you couldn’t actually prove that the spread has slowed if everyone isn‘t tested.

Also, even the models that included social distancing, like the IHME model, have been wildly off in their predictions. If even those models that accounted for distancing were so far off, then how can you prove the measures are working?
 
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