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Au revoir, sweet prince. I hope you can find someone somewhere else on this barren rock to help carry your son.
Why was BBL banned?
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Looking more closely into the sockpuppets, while I do believe his sockpuppet accounts should be banned, they obviously weren't used for any malicious purpose. I've asked for the ban to be reduced to being only temporary.
I'm not the one who made the decision, to be clear.
I'm not the one who made the decision, to be clear.
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I know, i meant "you" as in jannies in general/kiwi jannies as a whole.
Also having the rule under forum discussion alone makes it seem like it is only a board specific rule, not forum wide. It should be a rule that pops up when you either create an account or when you click in "terms and rules" at the bottom of the site
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After a brief discussion, to paraphrase, moderation has concluded users should not need giant bold letters telling them not to run multiple gimmick account sockpuppets, and to paraphrase less so, that @Bargain Bin Laden should kill himself, so I do not believe this decision will be reversed.
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I was under the impression that the only people who would genuinely care about this stuff would be the one weird guy who has an autistic obsession with the SEO trend. After all, it's kind of obvious when an new account pops up just to either shitpost or comes forward with some insider info
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He seemed to be primarily popular within the off topic board, which mostly consists of non-contributive users. Generally, the forum is operated with pragmatism. Setting a poor precedent with allowing sockpuppets was seen as a greater risk than losing a user who makes joke posts in Q&A. I can only offer my own input and provide an explanation for the decision, but the admin's judgment is final, as it is with any website.
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Why does Null hate the offtopic board, but complain that nobody talks about stuff off topic on MATI?
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I could understand it with users who are known to he unhinged maniacs and fed posters... but its BBL. He's a forum icon at this point. The dude just shit post and memed.
We're always getting the continued protestations of how shit is always so serious and so morbid but never think that maybe there's a reason that is becoming the case these days. Literally sucking the fun out of here. BBL was liked by a lot of people from the forum; his profile posts and reactions to his ban show that evidently.
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Because he wants an captive audience
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BBL was one of the few consistently fun posters on the site whose Unlimited Post Works almost exclusively consisted of trying to make people laugh. yeah some of his content was cringy and weird but every post can't be a winner. mine sure aren't. feels extremely bad to ban a user like that over a rule technicality while people who actively and visibly make the site more unpleasant to post on, such as the most noxious politisperg posters (you know who they are), may not technically violate the rules but shit all over the spirit of the site. just ban the socks and warn him, BBL isn't the kind of poster who would repeatedly violate rules unless he's actually trying to get himself banned.
wtf does this mean? shitposting for fun and making comedy threads is non-contributive? does this mean that actually funny posters that aren't sneeding over some gay lolcow bullshit or screaming at each other in dumpster fire political threads are worth less to the moderation?
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I'm a lazy tard, can someone tell me what accounts are suspected to be bin laden?
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Although he was liked in the off topic boards, that's not indicative of his contribution to the forum as a whole. Only people who would make such comments are those who are aware of him, and the two ways of making yourself known is to be liked or disliked on a specific board. No, this isn't fun, but "fun" isn't a factor in these decisions.
At the same time, "the community likes them" is an emotional reasoning for overturning the ban, which are not decisions made emotionally. Users don't avoid bans by being liked, they avoid bans by not breaking any rule. In turn, users aren't banned because they're disliked, they are banned because they break forum rules. Users are often disliked for breaking forum rules, but the community perception doesn't influence the final decision. It's the same in this regard. Upon reflection, this is consistent with how I've witnessed the forum operate for years. I've only ever seen decisions reversed due to mistakes or misunderstandings leading up to the action, neither of which are present here.
In a similar vein, should the decision be reversed, it would draw extremely unfavorable perceptions. Future users could look at this and believe it is possible to receive preferential treatment just for having a handful of other users who like them or for donating to the forum. It would trivial for an outside community to collaborate a group to defend each other should they break a rule, giving the perception everyone within is a liked and respected contributor to the forum. I am not saying this is what is happening here, but there is absolutely the capacity for this to happen should this precedent be set given the sheer number of eyes watching this website. Once again, the decision to continue enforcing this ban aligns with previous bans made by the forum for years, and speaking in terms of pragmatism, it is better to remain consistent than to give the impression these rules are meant to be bent, even if that is deeply upsetting to some groups.
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are you kidding me with this shit? look, I don't envy your job man, but this isn't a federal court. it's a dumb gay comedy forum where we laugh at poop jokes and internet train wrecks. we're not talking about preventing murder or some shit, what's the actual cost of not cutting a dude's head off just because he did some frowned-upon but ultimately harmless shit in pursuit of being funny? what's important is people understanding and following the spirit of the rules. besides, for all your talk about emotionless pragmatism, it sounds like BBL's ban is being upheld simply because the moderation team doesn't like him.
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Now, to be fair, the act is done with emotion by some staff, but it's always done because the user annoyed the moderator by breaking the rules and then continuing to be annoying as far as I've ever seen.
I can say with confidence it was done clearly due to the sockpuppet accounts, and I don't think the general protectiveness towards the forum's integrity is something that requires further elaboration. Next to nobody knew who he even was until the sockpuppets were noticed since staff don't look at the off topic boards, generally. He's being treated the same just as everyone else.