Why Some People Think 2+2=5 - ...and why they're right.

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Why Some People Think 2+2=5
...and why they're right.


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By Caroline Delbert

  • Former mathematician Kareem Carr says it's important to know what your math is abstracting for you.
  • People are always ready to argue about math on Twitter.
  • Carr applies his math knowledge to study human genetic markers of cancer at Harvard.
Critical armchair mathematicians are having a moment after a thread about the created nature of numbers spread on Twitter.

Kareem Carr, a biostatistics Ph.D. student at Harvard University, says that sharing his ideas about numbers and abstraction to a large audience on Twitter helps him find others who think differently and are excited about connecting theory to reality.

And while some bad-faith critics have flooded his notifications with unkind assumptions, he’s still happy to put his ideas out there.

In his original thread, Carr points out some simple, but provocative truths about the world. “Our numbers, our quantitative measures, are abstractions of real underlying things in the universe and it's important to keep track of this when we use numbers to model the real world,” one tweet reads.

Carr grounds it in the real ways statistical models are being used to harm, for example, marginalized groups across many parameters: “Whenever you create a numerical construct like IQ or an aggression score or a sentiment score, it's important to remember that properties of this score might not mirror the real things being measured.”


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“There's a need for this sort of thinking, because we're basically turning everything into data,” Carr tells Popular Mechanics. “Because we're turning more and more domains into data, it's becoming more and more important. If we're going to be a world that's just in apps, we need to be sure these things are working how we think they work.”

Carr hasn’t said anything really controversial here, unless just saying mathematically nuanced things is inherently controversial on Twitter. The idea that the counting numbers—whole values only, excluding fractions and decimals—are somehow “naturally occurring” is a common fallacy among people who aren’t trained in math or, say, human development.

Babies acquire numbers one at a time and top out at a handful unless their families and teachers introduce larger and continuously countable numbers to them. Some non-human animals demonstrate an ability to “count” up to four or five and are considered exceptional even for this.

There’s also a language assumption at play, what novelist China Mieville has called an “unpersuasive notion of language as a clear pane of glass.” Everything we say and write is mediated through, well, a medium. The same way recorded music necessarily lops off the most extreme highs and lows by nature of technology, the terms we use are approximations that can never be totally true to what we think or feel, what we see, and how the world appears.

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How music is recorded and compressed is a model. Language is a model, mathematics is a model, and troubled metrics like IQ are models, too. It benefits no one—or, perhaps, only the people in power—to pretend they’re universal truths instead of engaging with the consequences of each model.

Carr says he’s always been interested in the interaction between the “pure” mathematics and where those ideas are actually applied—in a sense, the colorful pane of glass we install in order to view math in our lives. “Here's this thing off to the side and it's called math. And over here you have real life, scientific method, and concrete things that are happening in the physical world,” he explains.

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While studying pure math, he grew frustrated by the combination of abstraction and fallible human conclusions—no one’s fault, he says, just a mismatch in interests. So he began working in and studying biostatistics, analyzing genetic sequencing data collected from patients and looking for markers of cancer.

That’s what he’s still doing now, and his exciting thesis, which combines his interests into a very clever answer to a statistical question, will be published next year.
 
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2+2 being 5 makes a lot of sense if you look at everything going on.
We progressively live in a culture/society and therefore reality that keeps tweaking, adding or changing long held beliefs because they find them....icky? Problematic? Not their own? Who knows....new is ALWAYS better i guess.

We went to space and have satellite imagery
*flat earth belief is on the rise*

The 90s and early 2000s were obliterating racism and sexism, with female lead movies and shows, as well as rising minority super stars.
*2010s-now, has us believe we are worse than 1950s, also segregation and racism is being encouraged against whites*

WW2...happened
*China is being ignored as it locks people up and expands into the south china sea and africa.*

LGBT was created very recently
*Its now LGBTQ+, like a number sequence or Fibonacci sequence even, what will be added next? (see I tied it back to math.)*

If you want to get a bit less uh...serious? Look at language.
Slut is now Thot
Style became swag.....which became drip.
chill became vibe
someone I disagree with became nazi
(and to a lesser extend I see right leaning gamer types use the word pedo as a label for those they don't like in a similar context).
And others im sure.
 
"i put a rooster and a hen together and later there were three of them so 1+1=3"
:thinking:

the worst part is that the twatter idiot thinks his dumbfuck babbling is making some kind of deep and sophisticated point

An elephant makes love to a pig....

I think we know why he's a former mathematician. :roll:

When you have a given amount of something and add a given amount to it you get a very predictable number. If I have two apples and add two more I have four apples. If I cut one apple in half that sure as hell doesn't give me five.

They teach you this stuff in first grade. Hell, you usually figure it out yourself before then.
 
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