Why have CDs not had a comeback

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This is something I'm curious about why have records comeback when they can only be played in your house yet CDs which are not only cheaper but can be played in your car haven't had a comeback
 
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Allow me to redpill you on this topic:
  • Muh Analog
    • Also known as Muh Infinite Sample Rate or Muh Direct-to-Groove Sound Waves
    • Yes vinyl is different from digital but not much and it's not strictly better
    • "Is 44.1 kHz really enough?" is the audio equivalent of "Can the human eye really only see 24 fps?"
    • A lot of new vinyl is based on digital masters which makes it fucking worthless but no one cares
    • The stylus' increasing angle towards the center of the record creates distortion and vinylfags want to pretend it doesn't
    • Ad Muh Direct-to-Groove Sound Waves: the RIAA preamp fucks with your sound anyway so it's not as clean as some think
  • People worry about CDs degrading over time
  • Swapping CDs in your player is a hassle but not to the point of becoming an autismo ritual like vinyl
  • Less nostalgic, no warmth added to the sound from the stylus crushing dust mites and 40 year old cat hair
  • CD's reputation is forever besmirched by their association with the loudness wars
  • CD player audiophile autism is way too much even for vinylfags (I can understand this)
  • Price of entry for newfags is only a few hundred $ extra for vinyl, so zoomie consoomers would rather choose vinyl
  • Thrifting for vinyl is more fun because it smells like the mothballs in your grandma's wardrobe
  • Bigger sleeves are cooler, nicer art, gatefolds and other unique shit
TL;DR just listen to whatever tickles your asperger bone the best and try not to be an evangelist because no matter what you choose you'd be wrong
 
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I collect physical media, mainly because of the genres I’m into (dance music). There are many, many exclusive mixes that are only available on CD, and the preservationist in me wants to make sure those are backed up, lest the be lost. The golden era for house, techno, D&B, breaks, and more recent sub genres was the CD era, as disco dominated the vinyl era, and new wave the cassette.

See the thing is, these hipster types don’t really give a shit about the music itself. It’s more about the ritual of listening than the actual sound. Sure there are definitely audiophile boomers who genuinely prefer records, but let’s face it, the average modern record user is someone who didn’t grow up with the format. So listening to Cardi B on vinyl seems magical to them.
 
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Personally I feel like CDs just get fucked up way too easily, especially in a car. I just recently started investing in Blu-Rays for shows and movies I watch over and over and I'm still terrified of ruining them.
 
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Colonel Gaddafi said:
I collect physical media, mainly because of the genres I’m into (dance music). There are many, many exclusive mixes that are only available on CD, and the preservationist in me wants to make sure those are backed up, lest the be lost. The golden era for house, techno, D&B, breaks, and more recent sub genres was the CD era, as disco dominated the vinyl era, and new wave the cassette.

See the thing is, these hipster types don’t really give a shit about the music itself. It’s more about the ritual of listening than the actual sound. Sure there are definitely audiophile boomers who genuinely prefer records, but let’s face it, the average modern record user is someone who didn’t grow up with the format. So listening to Cardi B on vinyl seems magical to them.
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I'm of the autism that a production is going to be best suited to be listened to in what it was ideally mastered for at it's time.

ie, muh jazz-fusion from the 70s is going to sounds best on vinyl because that was it's ideal era but also for the analog bass not present in any other formats except SACD. The CD remasters are meh and most shitlisted for loudness, the cassettes are questionable and even the 24/96 big money remasters are certainly clear and crispy but do not astonish.

When it came to that window of cross format releases where CD/tape/vinyl was made one format is going to get a lot of production attention and the other 2 are going to be after thoughts. It was meant to sound best on something but not everything. This vinyl business reality along with people listening to digital masters copied to vinyl leaves me in a fairly regular state of oldfag bewilderment.

WTBOnlineFather said:
CD player audiophile autism is way too much even for vinylfags (I can understand this)
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Bruh... just wait until you hear that CD on my PS1 SCPH-1001 that I left on overnight!
 
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As a veteran CD-haver, there's just nothing special about them. Ignore all the audiophile shit about vinyl. You know what is really cool about vinyl? The huge, often suitable for framing artwork. It's basically like a collector's box for your favorite music. CDs have tiny jackets. They aren't much fun. The main reason for them BITD was they were convenient, especially once car stereos didn't skip all the time. But now, just loading all your songs on a SD card or directly to your phone is more convenient than having a CD wallet.
 
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The Ugly One said:
As a veteran CD-haver, there's just nothing special about them. Ignore all the audiophile shit about vinyl. You know what is really cool about vinyl? The huge, often suitable for framing artwork. It's basically like a collector's box for your favorite music. CDs have tiny jackets. They aren't much fun. The main reason for them BITD was they were convenient, especially once car stereos didn't skip all the time. But now, just loading all your songs on a SD card or directly to your phone is more convenient than having a CD wallet.
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Completely agree. Also, as an old fag who lived during the CD times, they were a pain in the ass though not nearly as retarded as tapes were. I don't care if I'm being cucked but subscribing to Spotify and using the AI DJ is a lot more convenient than digging a CD out of your sun visor case and swapping them out while dodging death on the highway only to realize that there must be a microscopic crack on it that's causing your favorite song to skip.
 
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Beautiful Border said:
Of course. But as I said, younger people aren't attracted to records because they're a better way to listen to music, only around half of new record buyers even own a record player. They're more likely to hang them on a wall as a decoration than anything else.
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I guess I shouldn't care how someone spends their money, but this mentality is weird to me. It's all about cool factor, or with some media, saving something hoping shekels will rain from the sky. Records are meant to be played, toys are meant to be played with, comics are meant to be read. I hate speculators more than people who just buy records for coolness.
 
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PixarsTedKennedy said:
Completely agree. Also, as an old fag who lived during the CD times, they were a pain in the ass though not nearly as retarded as tapes were. I don't care if I'm being cucked but subscribing to Spotify and using the AI DJ is a lot more convenient than digging a CD out of your sun visor case and swapping them out while dodging death on the highway only to realize that there must be a microscopic crack on it that's causing your favorite song to skip.
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I'm retarded, so I just ripped all my old CDs.

fake farts said:
I guess I shouldn't care how someone spends their money, but this mentality is weird to me.
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People buy cool shit to hang on their walls all the time. Molly Hatchet records look badass on your wall.
 
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WTBOnlineFather said:
Swapping CDs in your player is a hassle but not to the point of becoming an autismo ritual like vinyl
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What makes this funnier is that a lot of zoomers aren't aware that automatic record players were a thing for decades, so this ritual of putting the record on the turntable and carefully placing the needle onto it that they think gives what they're doing meaning is arguably more common now than it was in the past.
 
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The article @Beautiful Border posted about 50% of people not even owning record players linked to an article asking about a CD revival too. The gist is basically they weren't always pretty, the art was tiny, but they just werked. I think, for that reason, we won't get a CD revival on the level of vinyl, there's no mystical musical woo surrounding it. A CD revival will be more akin to the cassette revival, I think, maybe a bit bigger. Generally, I'm of the opinion that if you love a band or movie or whatever, the best way to go about it (if you are autistic enough, and lets be real most of us here are) is to hunt down the least tainted physical media, or pirate it. Streaming services, while super convenient, can put up edited stuff, have songs missing, can take away things willy-nilly. Yes, I want that copy of GWAR's This Toilet Earth with Baby Dick Fuck on it. Yes, I want to listen to Diary of A Madman and Blizzard of Ozz with Bob Daisley and Lee Kerslake on bass and drums, not someone who replaced them because Sharon is a hateful bitch who didn't want to pay the original musicians.

Be autistic when it comes to the things you enjoy, and don't let them fuck you over.

https://www.nme.com/features/opinion/cd-revival-2022-punk-vinyl-cassette-3155194

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2...eports-of-cds-demise-inspires-wave-of-support
 
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The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
Optical media is dying in part because of consumer choice, but also because companies figured out that locking people into streaming subscription models is more lucrative. There is a floor on the cost of stamping and packaging a disc which will end up laden in the WalMart bargain bin. The cost of transferring a few gigabytes of data continues to fall over time, and new codecs can help to cancel out the data increase from higher resolutions. Although Netflix charges the cattle more for 4K anyway.

We were supposed to get better discs long before now. I remember reading about optical and holographic discs in the lab in the early 2000s that could store 1 or more terabytes. I think you can buy 128 GB BDXL blanks in 2023, at a shit price compared to hard drives and even SSDs. Make a new disc that can store a terabyte per dollar and we're back on track, but the market for it has been crushed and the MAFIAA members don't want to hand out high quality sources that are vulnerable if the DRM+encryption scheme is cracked.

I know someone with binders full of hundreds of burned DVDs with pirated movies. I hope the majority of them are still working in 20 years.

Give the people DVD-Audio.
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I agree about subscription services like netflix or whatever the music equivalent is being a total racket, never paid for any of those myself, never will, it's piracy all the way for me and has been for decades. I'm sure there could be much better versions of disc technology by now if the market was incentivized to innovate, but as things stand now they're too inconvenient and risky to use as a storage medium because it's typically easier to keep one or two SSD or HDDs from breaking than it is to care for and regularly use something like an entire binder full of DVDs.
 
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Just to weigh in on the vinyl aspect:

I have spent thousands of hours recording and mixing traditional instruments and obsessing about acoustics and psychoacoustics and sample rates and artifacts and tubes and transistors and shit nobody should care about.

I have shelves full of records despite growing up with CDs.

I don't think they're nostalgic nor superior in any way, I just watched the RIAA getting dragged kicking and screaming into the internet age and have spent the last 20 years refusing to pay for MP3s on general principle.

Anyway if you like tapes and CDs so much why don't you tape my dick to your forehead so you can CDs nuts.
 
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I still use CDs daily. I’ll never use a streaming service. I pirate the music I like, burn my own mixes onto CDs, and if I really like the artist I’ll buy their album.

CDs aren’t as prone to degradation as people like to think, and IMO they’re more for people who actually listen to the albums they buy, as opposed to using them as display pieces.

Also, CD changers exist. No need to flip a CD, either.

I’ll say though, this isn’t really a case of ‘making a comeback’, rather I just never stopped using CDs.
 
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