Why does Kiwifarms hate anime?
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Almost posted a similar topic but did a search first. Hope its okay to necro.
Just saying,
I can't speak for anyone but myself, and I don't hate anime--creatively, I probably couldn't live without it--but damn is it a medium that gets tiring.
First of all, I really wish anime/manga creators (can the "manga" part just be assumed?) would get over the obsession with sex and particularly women's underwear. I've seen anime where a character will literally draw attention to a girl's underwear for no reason other than because... the writer wanted to mention it. It's almost like an autistic reaction.
And it gets really, really weird too. Like, anime is bad about writing kids as having libidos, being really into seeing nudity or touching boobs even if they're explicitly ten years old or younger. Weirder still is that anime writers think that every species finds human women hot or sexy. Goblin Slayer is a recent example, but what weirds me out more is I've seen so many anime where an animal finds a human girl sexually arousing (and I'm talking meant-for-kids anime like Doraemon or Sailor Moon).
This brings me to another thing that begins to bug me... anime (and really most Japanese works) are very human-centric. What I mean is, in western works you have stuff like the Cthulhu mythos that posit man is actually not the center of the universe, or Hitchhiker's Guide where Earth is "mostly harmless," and many other metaphysical and philosophical concepts that can only exist if you're capable of thinking that maybe, just maybe, there are things beyond mankind.... but anime never ever does. Humanity is always special, and our every little feeling and emotion is something that should be cherished and respected.
In fact, whenever there IS an outside force, its always bad because hoomanity is speshul. Just look at JRPGs where the final boss is God. Just once, I would like to see them acknowledge that maybe letting an outside force help us out a bit might not be a terrible idea (because humanity choosing its own destiny has worked out SOOO well).
In fact, just in general I wish Japanese writers were capable of thinking outside the box.
Japan is really good at EXECUTING ideas... but only after a westerner has thought them up. Japan rarely ever comes up with an idea all its own. Just look at JRPGs... an entire genre that only exists because a couple of Japanese nerds really liked Wizardry and Ultima (both invented by Americans).
And even when they're handed a blueprint to work from, they can't think outside the box. Just for example, western Transformers cartoons quickly realized that the audience didn't need the robots to hang around with little human kids, and that you could take the concept kinda seriously or give the robots themselves interesting personalities and backstories.... but then Japan does their versions and oop, here comes the annoying human kids to be audience identification characters, because it doesn't even occur to these sheep-people that such characters aren't even necessary and maybe even detract from the experience.
Of course, its rare for a Japanese writer to write people as anything other than a vague, easily-transplantable archetype. Your average harem series is a good example.
Full seriousness, while all those "teens solving mysteries" shows Hanna-Barbera made in the 1970s are obviously cribbing from each other, there is a lot that makes them distinct, give them a unique identity. Alexander from Josie and the Pussycats is not exactly the same character as Shaggy from Scooby Doo.
In anime though? Pretty much 90% of anime is just the same twenty or so characters being recycled--often even down to the designs--wholesale. This is because Japanese writers don't think of characters as people, but as "types." I actually recall once reading that manga authors don't even always come up with character designs, but actually have templates or stencils that they can buy in stores that have the work already done for them (or at least, that's how it worked back in the day. Nowadays I'm sure these tools are built into computer software).
(I wish I could find that article again.... some western comic artist was in Japan, had to sit through a lecture from a Japanese boss about how westerners were "lazy," but then she went to a store and found that their stores sell the afformentioned pre-made characters and even entire page layouts. She bought some, took them to that boss, and basically said "what was that about being 'lazy' you slanty-eyed fuck?"--okay, she didn't say that last part.... if anyone has a link to that article, please post it)..
The thing that bugs me the most is that Japanese media seems unable to ever really broach or discuss actually interesting concepts or philosophies. It's always the same stock messages over and over--messages that I'm sure are deep to a Japanese person, but to westerners are the kind of thing you could get from an episode of Care Bears.
Compare to western literature. Don Quixote is an examination of the place of idealistic morality and the follies of trying to apply the logic of fiction to the real world. Watchmen is about moral quandaries in the face of imminent disaster. As mentioned, Lovecraft's work asks fundamental questions about the very state of the universe.
Even our capeshit comes up with interesting metaphysical concepts, like the Crisis on Infinite Earths, or Marvel's universe being a living being. I think the last time I saw anime do anything even approaching this a 1990s movie (I think Akira) ending with the implication that a character had caused a second big bang and created a new universe.... but again that was literally decades ago.
I mean, it says a lot that even something like Star Trek: the Motion Picture is the kind of story whose themes and substance could never be the product of Japanese culture. Hell even 2001 A Space Odyssey is beyond them.
First of all, I really wish anime/manga creators (can the "manga" part just be assumed?) would get over the obsession with sex and particularly women's underwear. I've seen anime where a character will literally draw attention to a girl's underwear for no reason other than because... the writer wanted to mention it. It's almost like an autistic reaction.
And it gets really, really weird too. Like, anime is bad about writing kids as having libidos, being really into seeing nudity or touching boobs even if they're explicitly ten years old or younger. Weirder still is that anime writers think that every species finds human women hot or sexy. Goblin Slayer is a recent example, but what weirds me out more is I've seen so many anime where an animal finds a human girl sexually arousing (and I'm talking meant-for-kids anime like Doraemon or Sailor Moon).
This brings me to another thing that begins to bug me... anime (and really most Japanese works) are very human-centric. What I mean is, in western works you have stuff like the Cthulhu mythos that posit man is actually not the center of the universe, or Hitchhiker's Guide where Earth is "mostly harmless," and many other metaphysical and philosophical concepts that can only exist if you're capable of thinking that maybe, just maybe, there are things beyond mankind.... but anime never ever does. Humanity is always special, and our every little feeling and emotion is something that should be cherished and respected.
In fact, whenever there IS an outside force, its always bad because hoomanity is speshul. Just look at JRPGs where the final boss is God. Just once, I would like to see them acknowledge that maybe letting an outside force help us out a bit might not be a terrible idea (because humanity choosing its own destiny has worked out SOOO well).
In fact, just in general I wish Japanese writers were capable of thinking outside the box.
Japan is really good at EXECUTING ideas... but only after a westerner has thought them up. Japan rarely ever comes up with an idea all its own. Just look at JRPGs... an entire genre that only exists because a couple of Japanese nerds really liked Wizardry and Ultima (both invented by Americans).
And even when they're handed a blueprint to work from, they can't think outside the box. Just for example, western Transformers cartoons quickly realized that the audience didn't need the robots to hang around with little human kids, and that you could take the concept kinda seriously or give the robots themselves interesting personalities and backstories.... but then Japan does their versions and oop, here comes the annoying human kids to be audience identification characters, because it doesn't even occur to these sheep-people that such characters aren't even necessary and maybe even detract from the experience.
Of course, its rare for a Japanese writer to write people as anything other than a vague, easily-transplantable archetype. Your average harem series is a good example.
Full seriousness, while all those "teens solving mysteries" shows Hanna-Barbera made in the 1970s are obviously cribbing from each other, there is a lot that makes them distinct, give them a unique identity. Alexander from Josie and the Pussycats is not exactly the same character as Shaggy from Scooby Doo.
In anime though? Pretty much 90% of anime is just the same twenty or so characters being recycled--often even down to the designs--wholesale. This is because Japanese writers don't think of characters as people, but as "types." I actually recall once reading that manga authors don't even always come up with character designs, but actually have templates or stencils that they can buy in stores that have the work already done for them (or at least, that's how it worked back in the day. Nowadays I'm sure these tools are built into computer software).
(I wish I could find that article again.... some western comic artist was in Japan, had to sit through a lecture from a Japanese boss about how westerners were "lazy," but then she went to a store and found that their stores sell the afformentioned pre-made characters and even entire page layouts. She bought some, took them to that boss, and basically said "what was that about being 'lazy' you slanty-eyed fuck?"--okay, she didn't say that last part.... if anyone has a link to that article, please post it)..
The thing that bugs me the most is that Japanese media seems unable to ever really broach or discuss actually interesting concepts or philosophies. It's always the same stock messages over and over--messages that I'm sure are deep to a Japanese person, but to westerners are the kind of thing you could get from an episode of Care Bears.
Compare to western literature. Don Quixote is an examination of the place of idealistic morality and the follies of trying to apply the logic of fiction to the real world. Watchmen is about moral quandaries in the face of imminent disaster. As mentioned, Lovecraft's work asks fundamental questions about the very state of the universe.
Even our capeshit comes up with interesting metaphysical concepts, like the Crisis on Infinite Earths, or Marvel's universe being a living being. I think the last time I saw anime do anything even approaching this a 1990s movie (I think Akira) ending with the implication that a character had caused a second big bang and created a new universe.... but again that was literally decades ago.
I mean, it says a lot that even something like Star Trek: the Motion Picture is the kind of story whose themes and substance could never be the product of Japanese culture. Hell even 2001 A Space Odyssey is beyond them.
Just saying,
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I love anime though.
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Because Anime creates Troons which is reason enough to want to burn all the mutant weeb shit.
Being serious though it's just a running joke people here do. Some people kinda dislike but don't give a shit if someone else enjoys it. Just as long as it's not lolicon everyone on the farms hates that shit for good reason.
Being serious though it's just a running joke people here do. Some people kinda dislike but don't give a shit if someone else enjoys it. Just as long as it's not lolicon everyone on the farms hates that shit for good reason.
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Anyone who has watched anime should hate anime.
skykiii
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Or more reasonably... I think most people can find maybe one anime they like, but I can't see being a devotee to the medium, especially not these days. I can go back to a lot of late 90s and early 2000s stuff out of nostalgia and because some of that material is genuinely good, but....
I kinda said this, a big problem for me is a lot of modern anime has a "this is just a retread of X" feel, and often its something I've already seen done better.
It's also disappointing that... well, some of the stuff I bitch about is stuff I could accept way back when because I could excuse it as "the medium is still developing, eventually creators will get over their hang-ups" but then you see modern stuff and... no, no they haven't. If anything they've doubled down on some of the more annoying aspects.
But I already made one autistic long post, no need for another.
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I think most people who say they hate anime don't actually hate it but just want to get a reaction or shitpost
Personally I don't care for it because i've never found most of it interesting but that might just come from not finding a genre or series that really pulls me in and also anime fans and fandoms are always worse than the plague so that doesn't help either
Personally I don't care for it because i've never found most of it interesting but that might just come from not finding a genre or series that really pulls me in and also anime fans and fandoms are always worse than the plague so that doesn't help either
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Because niggers.
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I used to like anime. I'm just tired of the same tropes. I'm tired of the weird obsession with high schoolers, especially young girls. I'm tired of anime being perverted. I'm tired, boss.
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Don't hate anime as a genre/artstyle but here are some of my gripes with anime:
* Highschool centered: Does EVERYTHING have to revolve around japanese highschool? Does everyone have to be a highschooler? Highschool is not the center of the universe and I get it that the author probably peaked/is stuck mentally in highschool.
* Harems: I'm sick and tired of this trend of the autistic main character that has 0 personality and interaction with women (read, author self-insert) being somehow attractive and orbited by a harem of 10 beautiful women. I doubt the author has been around women to know what attracts them. Which brings us to...
* Women characters: Think male amateurs writers in the west write bad women? What if every female had the brain and sexuality of a male, or was one of those UWO so kawaii tropes that everyone hates. Probably why people call some animes tranny baits.
* Common asian tropes: I'm tired of seeing the whole respect your elders, you are worth what you make, etc.
* I'm tired of seeing Japan all the time. Simple as that.
* Highschool centered: Does EVERYTHING have to revolve around japanese highschool? Does everyone have to be a highschooler? Highschool is not the center of the universe and I get it that the author probably peaked/is stuck mentally in highschool.
* Harems: I'm sick and tired of this trend of the autistic main character that has 0 personality and interaction with women (read, author self-insert) being somehow attractive and orbited by a harem of 10 beautiful women. I doubt the author has been around women to know what attracts them. Which brings us to...
* Women characters: Think male amateurs writers in the west write bad women? What if every female had the brain and sexuality of a male, or was one of those UWO so kawaii tropes that everyone hates. Probably why people call some animes tranny baits.
* Common asian tropes: I'm tired of seeing the whole respect your elders, you are worth what you make, etc.
* I'm tired of seeing Japan all the time. Simple as that.
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Because too many spergs end up becoming degenerate weeaboos that love loli in fiction and real life. Very few are the exception to the norm so it's shot first, ask questions later for those sad sacks of shit.
skykiii
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.... til you took an arrow in the knee?