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Why Do My Kids Hate America?​

David Valdes
07/20/2021
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Dear Other Dad —

Fourth of July was a disaster. My kids didn’t want flags up and they gave me a hard time about wearing red, white, and blue. I let them put up their pride flags in June, so why can’t they do this for me? When did loving my country become a bad thing?
— 4thBlues


You are not alone in seeing a generational shift away from embracing the American flag. Gen Z has the lowest rates of self-identified patriotism among all demographics, a title once held by their predecessors, millennials. These statistics raise questions. What do symbols like the flag or “red, white, and blue” convey to kids today? What does patriotism look like for them?

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Let’s start with the American flag. For many older Americans (but, to be clear, not all by a long shot), the flag represents the values to which we’re taught to pledge allegiance: liberty and justice for all.

The flag for many represents battles fought against Nazis and kamikaze bombers, as well as the “American dream” ideal in which anyone can become who they wish, and cherished rights like freedom of speech. And, of course, because it represents a place, it almost means pride of home. If that’s what the flag symbolizes to you, flying it seems natural and worthy.

But what if that isn’t what the flag symbolizes to your kids?

They live in an age where it is not only their families or local schools telling them about history; they have access to a fuller picture of American history as well as real-time updates on what is happening right now around the nation.

They can see that “liberty and justice for all” has not yet become more than aspiration. For instance, they know that the founding of the nation required the displacement of indigenous people and much of the nation’s growth was financed by slavery.

They may be aware of injustices in their own lifetimes, like that LGBTQ people only have full civil rights protections in 21 states or that studies continually show racial discrimination in criminal sentencing. The flag you think of as carried into battle in World War II was also flown in Iraq, a war even conservatives now repudiate and which fueled the rise of Isis.

They have also come of age in a time when Trumpism implicitly linked the flag with a particular brand of conservativism that is overtly nativist, anti-immigrant, biased toward Christianity over other faiths, and vocally anti-transgender.

Flag-waving and flag-wearing have become associated with rallies where speeches and merchandise capitalize on sexism, homophobia, and racism — all of which are excused as being funny. (“Can’t ya take a joke?” might as well be the new national anthem.) At the same time, Gen Z has witnessed the increase in hate crimes and seen how often the perpetrators espouse nationalist sentiment.

So maybe your kids don’t want to fly the flag because to them it means liberty and justice for only some, or they relate it to unjust war, or they associate it with people whose values they find abhorrent. In that case, it’s as natural for them to reject the flag as it is for you to embrace it.

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I notice that you referred to “their pride flags” as being a parallel construct, so consider that for a moment. You don’t say “our pride flags” as if they represent your whole family; you think of the stripes in that flag as meaningful only to your children.

That appears to be how they feel about the American flag: it signals your values, but not theirs. You’re likely all longing for buy-in: they may wish you’d see the pride flag as encompassing you as an ally just as much you wish they felt comfortable with the best of what an American flag represents.

Free expression works both ways, so you all need to acknowledge that your beliefs are your beliefs and you should be able to say so. That means, if your kids can fly their flags, you can fly yours. They need to accept that this is important to you, but it might help them to know what you really mean by it.

Tell them specifically and sincerely what message you hope to send with your display, what values you are representing. They may not agree with you, but they’ll know that you have put thought into it. As long as you don’t require them to dress in matching colors or hang paraphernalia from their windows, they can’t accuse you of misrepresenting them.

But before you write them off as anti-American, reconsider what their version of patriotism might look like. For you, it may take the form of saying the pledge, putting up flags, or wearing a star-spangled tee at your cookout.

For them, protesting, being activists for causes they like, or voting (in record numbers) may be how they show love for their country or at least their hope for what it can be. In fact, they may see rejecting nationalism as its own version of patriotism; spouting platitudes about being “the greatest democracy on earth” means less than doing the work to make that actually true.

Talk to your kids about what might make them feel better about flying an American flag. If it’s in your power to help them reach a place of comfort with this symbolism, great. And if what they seek requires more change than you alone can make, respect their honesty, and then ask that they respect you, too, as you celebrate in your own red, white, and blue way.

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What is there to love if you are not rich.

The American dream is dead, health care cost skyrocketing, education cost is blowing op, wages are kept low and your food is pure diabetes.

Now if you have a lot of money. WOOO America is awesome.

this, America sucks.

why celebrate a bunch of rich fucks breaking the law to avoid taxes... that shit happens all the time.
 
Spend 50+ years badmouthing America.

Have literature, theater, cinema, music industries badmouth America.

Let literal terrorists and communists design and teach education.

Get older and realize that your children hate America and will probably not even bother to put you in a crooked home.

"OY VEY! WHY MY MENCH HATE AMERICA?"

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For me, loving the USA and halting my libtard commie shit came from traveling. I spent a few months in western Europe and was SHOCKED at how good we have it compared to them. The USA was cheaper and I had been treated far better by men in the US than Europe. Almost all of the people I met were clamoring to move to the US and down right obsessed with it. It really shook me because I just assumed westernized countries were right on par with the US, and that is just so not the case. I know zoomers are all too broke to travel, but doing it, soaking it up with the locals, really helps one figure out the value of this country.

Another thing we Americans take for granted is our ability to move to different cultures and environments with ease. It's not easy to move from a land locked country to a beachy one. Most countries don't have a variety of climates to pick and chose from. Thinking about that really helped me value what it meant to have such a fertile, vast country. Bless us, we got so lucky.
 
You suck as a parent would be my guess.

Cut him some slack. American parents are forced to give up their child for eight hours a day to an institution dedicated to making them hate you and your country and themselves.

How do you deal with that if you're not rich?
 
For me, loving the USA and halting my libtard commie shit came from traveling. I spent a few months in western Europe and was SHOCKED at how good we have it compared to them. The USA was cheaper and I had been treated far better by men in the US than Europe. Almost all of the people I met were clamoring to move to the US and down right obsessed with it. It really shook me because I just assumed westernized countries were right on par with the US, and that is just so not the case. I know zoomers are all too broke to travel, but doing it, soaking it up with the locals, really helps one figure out the value of this country.

Another thing we Americans take for granted is our ability to move to different cultures and environments with ease. It's not easy to move from a land locked country to a beachy one. Most countries don't have a variety of climates to pick and chose from. Thinking about that really helped me value what it meant to have such a fertile, vast country. Bless us, we got so lucky.

Wow, this is very interesting to hear actually. You usually hear Euros shitting and over-criticizing on America often, well, at least on the internet, but at the same time hearing the sounds of them being desperate to move here does surprise me. It seems like at the end of the day the supposed “hatred” these folks give off just stems from pure envy.

What specific country or countries have you traveled to? I’m quite curious on that.
 
For me, loving the USA and halting my libtard commie shit came from traveling. I spent a few months in western Europe and was SHOCKED at how good we have it compared to them. The USA was cheaper and I had been treated far better by men in the US than Europe. Almost all of the people I met were clamoring to move to the US and down right obsessed with it. It really shook me because I just assumed westernized countries were right on par with the US, and that is just so not the case. I know zoomers are all too broke to travel, but doing it, soaking it up with the locals, really helps one figure out the value of this country.

Another thing we Americans take for granted is our ability to move to different cultures and environments with ease. It's not easy to move from a land locked country to a beachy one. Most countries don't have a variety of climates to pick and chose from. Thinking about that really helped me value what it meant to have such a fertile, vast country. Bless us, we got so lucky.

I just wanna live in a coastal area in america that isn't overrun by the DNC.
 
as well as the “American dream” ideal in which anyone can become who they wish, and cherished rights like freedom of speech.
The American dream died in 1965. How do boomers still take it seriously?
But short answer, because the "Department of Education" taught them to hate America.
 
They hate America because you old dumb fucks allowed almost every institution of American culture and life to be atomized, corportized, sanitized and finally allowed all the commies to get away with indoctrination.
Facts
 
Wow, this is very interesting to hear actually. You usually hear Euros shitting and over-criticizing on America often, well, at least on the internet, but at the same time hearing the sounds of them being desperate to move here does surprise me. It seems like at the end of the day the supposed “hatred” these folks give off just stems from pure envy.

What specific country or countries have you traveled to? I’m quite curious on that.
Scotland, England, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, Austria, Italy
 
Not enough yard work.

They should be forced to labor in the sun all day every day until their attitudes improve.
Since these fucking worthless parents can't handle their shitty kids, children should have state mandated daily, outdoor physical activity for no less than 2 hours. I hate government overreach, but something has to give. Terminally online kids (and adults) are a blight on this country.
 
A lack of a true knowledge of history and the evidence. So what? The natives killed each other long before we were here. They don't go around begging forgiveness for their crimes during war. You want to talk about Blacks? Why not talk about how the Congressional Black Caucus supported the Crime Bill in the 90's? As to LGBT protections, we have had protection for females in the workplace and legislation for Equal Pay for over 30 years and you are still yammering about that. Equal protections for LGBT is just useless legislation to curry favor among faggots that suck at their job.
 
Wait until they turn older and realize that it's all a lie. Currently, we're undergoing inflation and an increase to cost of living. The middle class is slowly turning poorer while the rich get richer by any means necessary.
 
The American dream died in 1965. How do boomers still take it seriously?
But short answer, because the "Department of Education" taught them to hate America.
A legacy left behind by Jimmy Carter lol. It was created during his era. Not even Ronald Reagan could shut that down.

Then again nothing gets cut or shut down in DC.

I remember that absolute dumb wigger Rick Perry wanted to shut it down and made a big gaffe in how he said it. Guaranteed the survival of that department,
 
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