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Why Do My Kids Hate America?​

David Valdes
07/20/2021
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Dear Other Dad —

Fourth of July was a disaster. My kids didn’t want flags up and they gave me a hard time about wearing red, white, and blue. I let them put up their pride flags in June, so why can’t they do this for me? When did loving my country become a bad thing?
— 4thBlues


You are not alone in seeing a generational shift away from embracing the American flag. Gen Z has the lowest rates of self-identified patriotism among all demographics, a title once held by their predecessors, millennials. These statistics raise questions. What do symbols like the flag or “red, white, and blue” convey to kids today? What does patriotism look like for them?

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Let’s start with the American flag. For many older Americans (but, to be clear, not all by a long shot), the flag represents the values to which we’re taught to pledge allegiance: liberty and justice for all.

The flag for many represents battles fought against Nazis and kamikaze bombers, as well as the “American dream” ideal in which anyone can become who they wish, and cherished rights like freedom of speech. And, of course, because it represents a place, it almost means pride of home. If that’s what the flag symbolizes to you, flying it seems natural and worthy.

But what if that isn’t what the flag symbolizes to your kids?

They live in an age where it is not only their families or local schools telling them about history; they have access to a fuller picture of American history as well as real-time updates on what is happening right now around the nation.

They can see that “liberty and justice for all” has not yet become more than aspiration. For instance, they know that the founding of the nation required the displacement of indigenous people and much of the nation’s growth was financed by slavery.

They may be aware of injustices in their own lifetimes, like that LGBTQ people only have full civil rights protections in 21 states or that studies continually show racial discrimination in criminal sentencing. The flag you think of as carried into battle in World War II was also flown in Iraq, a war even conservatives now repudiate and which fueled the rise of Isis.

They have also come of age in a time when Trumpism implicitly linked the flag with a particular brand of conservativism that is overtly nativist, anti-immigrant, biased toward Christianity over other faiths, and vocally anti-transgender.

Flag-waving and flag-wearing have become associated with rallies where speeches and merchandise capitalize on sexism, homophobia, and racism — all of which are excused as being funny. (“Can’t ya take a joke?” might as well be the new national anthem.) At the same time, Gen Z has witnessed the increase in hate crimes and seen how often the perpetrators espouse nationalist sentiment.

So maybe your kids don’t want to fly the flag because to them it means liberty and justice for only some, or they relate it to unjust war, or they associate it with people whose values they find abhorrent. In that case, it’s as natural for them to reject the flag as it is for you to embrace it.

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I notice that you referred to “their pride flags” as being a parallel construct, so consider that for a moment. You don’t say “our pride flags” as if they represent your whole family; you think of the stripes in that flag as meaningful only to your children.

That appears to be how they feel about the American flag: it signals your values, but not theirs. You’re likely all longing for buy-in: they may wish you’d see the pride flag as encompassing you as an ally just as much you wish they felt comfortable with the best of what an American flag represents.

Free expression works both ways, so you all need to acknowledge that your beliefs are your beliefs and you should be able to say so. That means, if your kids can fly their flags, you can fly yours. They need to accept that this is important to you, but it might help them to know what you really mean by it.

Tell them specifically and sincerely what message you hope to send with your display, what values you are representing. They may not agree with you, but they’ll know that you have put thought into it. As long as you don’t require them to dress in matching colors or hang paraphernalia from their windows, they can’t accuse you of misrepresenting them.

But before you write them off as anti-American, reconsider what their version of patriotism might look like. For you, it may take the form of saying the pledge, putting up flags, or wearing a star-spangled tee at your cookout.

For them, protesting, being activists for causes they like, or voting (in record numbers) may be how they show love for their country or at least their hope for what it can be. In fact, they may see rejecting nationalism as its own version of patriotism; spouting platitudes about being “the greatest democracy on earth” means less than doing the work to make that actually true.

Talk to your kids about what might make them feel better about flying an American flag. If it’s in your power to help them reach a place of comfort with this symbolism, great. And if what they seek requires more change than you alone can make, respect their honesty, and then ask that they respect you, too, as you celebrate in your own red, white, and blue way.

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Shit is shit even if mine smells better than yours its still shit.
A lack of a true knowledge of history and the evidence. So what? The natives killed each other long before we were here. They don't go around begging forgiveness for their crimes during war. You want to talk about Blacks? Why not talk about how the Congressional Black Caucus supported the Crime Bill in the 90's? As to LGBT protections, we have had protection for females in the workplace and legislation for Equal Pay for over 30 years and you are still yammering about that. Equal protections for LGBT is just useless legislation to curry favor among faggots that suck at their job.
Also I don't know if you can compare the subjugation of entire races to bills and tribal wars sounds kinda odd to me.
 
Shit is shit even if mine smells better than yours its still shit.

Also I don't know if you can compare the subjugation of entire races to bills and tribal wars sounds kinda odd to me.

I have no doubt if one tribe was able to develop firearms they would have subjugated most of all the other tribes.

Take for example the subjugation of Native American POW:

In many pre-Columbian societies such as the Aztecs in Central America, or Native American tribes, raping captured combatants was considered to be an effective method for intimidating and enforcing domination on enemies. Prisoners were also often castrated, sometimes before being killed.
 
I have no doubt if one tribe was able to develop firearms they would have subjugated most of all the other tribes.

Take for example the subjugation of Native American POW:
Okay yeah I can see where you're coming from but that really isn't relevant considering that not what actually happened to the Native Americans.
 
Then they should leave. I've never understood the American mentality of "I hate this fucking country's guts" while having no plans to leave. It's not like other countries where you live in a shithole and are surrounded by other shithole countries.

Or do the US a small favor and just move to California.
 
Then they should leave. I've never understood the American mentality of "I hate this fucking country's guts" while having no plans to leave. It's not like other countries where you live in a shithole and are surrounded by other shithole countries.

Or do the US a small favor and just move to California.
If everyone who didn't like some shit about America left instead of talking about it there would only be the Native Americans left lol
 
Then they should leave. I've never understood the American mentality of "I hate this fucking country's guts" while having no plans to leave. It's not like other countries where you live in a shithole and are surrounded by other shithole countries.
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If everyone who didn't like some shit about America left instead of talking about it there would only be the Native Americans left lol
"Doesn't like some parts of a country" is a lot different then "This country is inherently evil and is responsible for all the ills of the modern world but I still adamantly refuse to leave"
 
"Doesn't like some parts of a country" is a lot different then "This country is inherently evil and is responsible for all the ills of the modern world but I still adamantly refuse to leave"
I mean that seems a little odd because anyone who thinks and acts that way is obviously retarded sure a couple brainlets like that probably exist but but there is a large amount of America's population who really just hate some aspects of the country which is much more sensible. To be fair he doesn't make the best distinction.
 
Scotland, England, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, Austria, Italy

Well that is not fair.

Scotland and England is dirty shit holes with the only redeeming thing is cider and nothing else, Germany is boring, effective, but boring. Holland is okay, Belgium is not real, Austira is off-brand Germany and Italy is kind of cool in this kind of slum way.
 
America is far more than some rich fucks. America is everyone, from sea to shining sea. It's a great country.

Yes... and its a country that started because a bunch of rich fucks didn't want to pay thier taxes... that is literally the ultimate reason for the revolution.

Rich colonists got pissed off by extra taxes and regulation saying that they couldn't steal more land from the natives, that came from Britiain.
 
Yes... and its a country that started because a bunch of rich fucks didn't want to pay thier taxes... that is literally the ultimate reason for the revolution.

Rich colonists got pissed off by extra taxes and regulation saying that they couldn't steal more land from the natives, that came from Britiain.
And here it is.

"Remember, the 4th of July is just a celebration about rich white slave owners who didn't want to pay their taxes!"

Feel free to throw yourself in a canyon and make some vulture's day brighter.

Every single country has shit like this. ALL of them.

And that oversimplifies what was going on at the time, but it is a line regurgitated by leftists since the 1970's.
 
And here it is.

"Remember, the 4th of July is just a celebration about rich white slave owners who didn't want to pay their taxes!"

Feel free to throw yourself in a canyon and make some vulture's day brighter.

Every single country has shit like this. ALL of them.

And that oversimplifies what was going on at the time, but it is a line regurgitated by leftists since the 1970's.

I mean that's exactly what it is?

I'm not saying anywhere else is better or anything. just that we ain't really special. The USA's current national status is more a matter of good luck and our location than any exceptional amount of merit.

We're just as nonsensically evil and hypocritical as everyone else.
 
Yes... and its a country that started because a bunch of rich fucks didn't want to pay thier taxes... that is literally the ultimate reason for the revolution.

Rich colonists got pissed off by extra taxes and regulation saying that they couldn't steal more land from the natives, that came from Britiain.
Keep in mind the taxes didn't just apply to the rich and there was most definitely more than a fair share of poverty in revolution era America.
Still that really wasn't the only thing they hated about their British overlords a large part yeah but not the only one.
 
And here it is.

"Remember, the 4th of July is just a celebration about rich white slave owners who didn't want to pay their taxes!"
I don't think this is the ultimate argument its deployers think it is. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm willing to get behind a lot of things if they're done to avoid paying taxes.
 
This seems like a "Yeah, that happened" article. "But I let them put up their pride flag, why do they hate my American flag. Please tell me why the pride flag is better than the American flag".
 
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