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The Department of Homeland Security, communicating with the public through its official account on X, sent an ominous message last week: “FEAR NOT, GREAT PEOPLE OF MINNESOTA, THE DAY OF RECKONING & RETRIBUTION IS COMING!”

What ensued, as you might expect when a heavily armed security agency announces an operation in terms typically employed by comic-book-movie villains, was chaos. ICE agents, many of them masked, went on to detain citizens and noncitizens alike. They threatened and sometimes employed violence, provoking widespread protests.

Republicans have deplored the mayhem in Minnesota. But they don’t hold the agency that set it off responsible. Instead they’ve condemned the protesters and the Democratic politicians who encouraged them. When President Trump undertakes a policy or goal that the rest of his party cannot bring itself to endorse, his allies’ usual move is to attribute a different and more noble motivation to him, while shifting the blame to his opponents. So it is in Minnesota.

“The scenes of destruction and damage taking place in Minneapolis are abhorrent. This violence cannot be tolerated. Unfortunately, our state leaders’ inaction and support of these violent riots are failing every Minnesotan and putting law enforcement’s lives at risk,” wrote House Whip Tom Emmer, a Minnesotan. Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey and Minnesota Governor Tim Walz “want the crazy,” Representative Byron Donalds charged.

In this view, the people who “want the crazy” are not the ones posting wild threats in all caps, but the ones saying things like this, from Walz: “What Donald Trump wants is violence in the streets. But Minnesota will remain an island of decency, of justice, of community, and of peace. Don’t give him what he wants.” Scott Jennings, the CNN talking head and potential Republican Senate candidate for Kentucky, replied, “‘Minnesota will remain an island.’ Walz cannot be more explicit - this buffoon believes he is seceding from the Union. We are well into Insurrection Act territory.”

Referring to Minnesota as an “island of decency” and to other virtues is not even a subtle secession threat, let alone an “explicit” one. Yet the Jennings perspective is pervasive among Republicans. Even Republicans who sometimes refrain from endorsing the president’s most unhinged demands seem to believe that the ICE protests have no legitimacy and that Minnesota’s Democratic officials are, if not outright criminals, bad actors.

Some protesters have in fact adopted confrontational tactics—in one awful instance, they stormed a church and disrupted a service to confront a pastor who works for ICE. But the Republican argument is not merely that the protests have occasionally gone too far. It is that the protests are themselves the core problem, and Walz’s specific suggestion that Minnesotans record agents’ actions is escalatory, if not illegal.

Walz “is courting more ugly incidents,” the Wall Street Journal editorial page scolds. “The President has the legal authority to unleash ICE, and the agents are doing what they are told to do. The way to defeat the Trump policy is at the ballot box, not by obstructing agents in violation of the law.” National Review’s Noah Rothman argues, “What Walz is advising his citizens to do is likely to result in more violence and, potentially, more death.” Zachary Faria writes in the Washington Examiner, “What you have with ICE agents in Minneapolis is people exercising the lawful authority to detain illegal immigrants and, on the other end of that, anyone interfering with federal law enforcement actions.”

The premise underpinning this argument is that ICE is acting legally and in the service of legitimate immigration-enforcement goals. That assumption is difficult to square with on-the-ground reporting. The shooting death of Renee Nicole Good is the most high-profile incident, but the Journal found that the episode “shares characteristics with others the Journal reviewed: Agents box in a vehicle, try to remove an individual, block attempts to flee, then fire”—tactics that violate law-enforcement protocol.

The New York Times reported on a couple driving home from a basketball game who were attacked with tear gas. The Associated Press found footage of agents brutalizing a man they had pinned to the ground. A group of local police chiefs told reporters that their officers, while off duty, were stopped with guns drawn solely based on their skin color. After a toy-store owner criticized ICE in a television interview, its agents raided the shop and conducted an audit. Multiple attorneys have claimed that their clients are being held incommunicado, in plain violation of the Constitution.

What’s more, the administration’s accounts of ICE’s actions have repeatedly proved untrue. The administration accused Good of steering her car directly into the ICE agent who shot her. But a New York Times video analysis demonstrates both that Good’s car was steered away from the agent, and that the agent fired shots into the car from a safe distance. Just a week after Good’s death, agents in Minneapolis shot a Venezuelan man in the leg. The administration claimed that the man provoked the shooting by assaulting ICE agents with a deadly weapon, but that was also contradicted by video evidence.

These episodes do not appear to be exceptional. A judge reviewing evidence of ICE’s conduct concluded, “The record adequately illustrates that the defendants have made, and will continue to make, a common practice of conduct that chills observers’ and protesters’ First Amendment rights,” and another judge wrote that Border Patrol chief Gregory Bovino was “outright lying” under oath about his methods.

The context behind all of these actions is a barely disguised desire to reverse the demographic changes of the past half century. DHS regularly shares white-nationalist memes. Trump has described Somalia in such terms as filthy, dirty, and disgusting, and its people as being “low IQ.” His immigration agenda appears to be aimed not so much at enforcing the law as attacking categories of people he believes do not deserve to live in the United States, irrespective of legal status.

The president has unleashed something akin to an occupying army that feels entitled to brutalize the population and routinely ignore the law. For those communities quaking in terror, simply waiting three years for a new president is not sufficient. Violence is not the answer, but calling out Trump for fomenting it, and advising Minnesotans to record agents on the streets, seems like a measured response.

Conservatives are making the same error they made during the civil-rights era, when outlets such as National Review dismissed protesters as criminals. It is fair enough to give law enforcement some benefit of the doubt, but treating its actions as presumptively legitimate even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary gives license to the sort of despotism that is staring us in the face.
 
The New York Times is unreadable these days. Its been that way since maybe 2010 or so. Just about nobody pays any attention to it anymore or what it has to say. The reporters are low quality. They can't write. They don't cover actual news for the most part.

And this is an article from the Atlantic. The last bolt-hole the neocons have left to hide in. Writing angry screeds like this calling conservatives "racists" again. It might mean something if the neocons had any supporters left.
 
ICE agents, many of them masked, went on to detain citizens and noncitizens alike.

this is such a shitheaded lie. the "citizens" are not legal immigrants being maliciously harassed, they're retards who are literally attacking federal law enforcement. JD gave a good reply to it earlier:

 
If their goal was to get rid of illegals, I don't have a problem with that. What I do have a problem with is them dressing up like nazis, marching in the streets like nazis, and basically shitting on the rights of legitimate Americans or legal immigrants. And they aren't enforcing equally, only in liberal cities, not in rural counties where tons of illegals are working in farms, or construction or plumbing or landscaping.

Really? I have been following things fairly closely and have not once seen any ICE agent dressed in an SA uniform or wearing a Swastika. So I don't know where you've been seeing that.

There have been nearly 700,000 illegal aliens deported since Trump took office for the second time, nearly 70% have gained serious criminal records since illegally entering the US, and most of them with prior Final Removal orders from a judge. And in contrast less than 150 American citizens or legal aliens have been arrested by ICE, and not a single one of them has been deported by mistake. Once they are verified to be citizens or legal aliens they have been released. Is it scary and inconvenient? Sure. But it shows ICE clearly knows what they are doing. Every state and city they've gone to where the local authorities provide assistance, the operations go smoothly with none of the retarded bullshit we've been seeing in places like Minnesota.
 
Trump and ICE didn't start this shit. Minnesota and other blue states started it when they decided to be sanctuary cities for illegals. I think that was during the first trump admin.
The first sanctuary city was declared in Berkeley, California in 1971, but it was designed for draft dodging, not hiding illegals. The "hiding illegals" variations started in the 1980s, with churches hiding Central Americans fleeing from war who didn't qualify for asylum. Madison, Wisconsin declared in 1983, followed quickly by Berkeley again in 1985, and San Francisco came out with the first very strong ordinance in 1989, which is the template that the rest of the sanctuary cities use today.

After San Francisco set the example of how to codify sanctuary cities into law, the concept spread like a smelly wet fart to the rest of the country.
 
If their goal was to get rid of illegals, I don't have a problem with that. What I do have a problem with is them dressing up like nazis, marching in the streets like nazis, and basically shitting on the rights of legitimate Americans or legal immigrants. And they aren't enforcing equally, only in liberal cities, not in rural counties where tons of illegals are working in farms, or construction or plumbing or landscaping.
what the fuck are you even talking about
 
If their goal was to get rid of illegals, I don't have a problem with that. What I do have a problem with is them dressing up like nazis, marching in the streets like nazis, and basically shitting on the rights of legitimate Americans or legal immigrants. And they aren't enforcing equally, only in liberal cities, not in rural counties where tons of illegals are working in farms, or construction or plumbing or landscaping.
Back to Reddit with you, where you could possibly hone your bait. I'm not surprised that your profile is locked.
 
But a New York Times video analysis demonstrates both that Good’s car was steered away from the agent, and that the agent fired shots into the car from a safe distance.
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Tell me, "New York Times video analysis", what condition were the roads in? Can you personally vouch for the condition of the concrete, the condition of Ms. Good's tires, the amount of ice on the ground?
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If Minnesota’ leftist riotousness is the icon of “justice and decency” like Walz claims, then give me injustice and indecency.
If ICE removing violent, raping, child molesting illegal aliens makes them the Gestapo, then give me the Gestapo.
If shooting karens and Mexican gang members in the act of attempting to murder federal police is Fascism, then me ne frego.
If Trump is Hitler come again, then Sieg Heil.

I am sick of Democrats using their red mob pets to get their way. I fully support dealing with both master and servant by any means necessary, whether it’s the cops arresting them, or the Marines machine gunning them all.
 
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Why democrats are okay with modern slavery with Illegals?
Modern day Democrats do not have principles. They have enemies (really, as they see it, one orange enemy in different forms), and they have tactics.

Their party is closer than it's ever been to dying. They're not going to play nice.
 
I genuinely pray there will be a day all journalists are sent to a giant private island where they could be hunted for sport. Keep all of them locked away, fed and trained for endurance, and then on the day of the hunt release a couple to be hunted. Could be a year long thing. The next could be pedophiles, the following could be third worlders who listen to music on the train without headphones. Redditors could be a perennial thing.

That would be fun!
 
Not surprised that the New York Times makes these dumb op-eds, but the fact that these people will excuse the antifa rioters assaulting ICE or anyone that they think involved with ICE yet condemn everyone on Jan 6 (even the people who hadn't entered the capitol building) shows that they don't care about violence, they just don't like their enemy to wield any power.
 
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If their goal was to get rid of illegals, I don't have a problem with that. What I do have a problem with is them dressing up like nazis, marching in the streets like nazis, and basically shitting on the rights of legitimate Americans or legal immigrants. And they aren't enforcing equally, only in liberal cities, not in rural counties where tons of illegals are working in farms, or construction or plumbing or landscaping.
Hail Hitler Nigga.
 
If their goal was to get rid of illegals, I don't have a problem with that. What I do have a problem with is them dressing up like nazis, marching in the streets like nazis, and basically shitting on the rights of legitimate Americans or legal immigrants. And they aren't enforcing equally, only in liberal cities, not in rural counties where tons of illegals are working in farms, or construction or plumbing or landscaping.
Why aren't they doing that stuff in localities that cooperate and just hand over illegals?
 
So are conservatives supposed to support the faggot protestors in Minnesota simply because ICE is caving their shit in when they break the law? Where's the logic here? These retards can avoid getting their shit pushed in if they stop obstructing the feds from their duties. Leftists should realize that shaming tactics don't work on the average conservative anymore. They might still work on some faggot RINOS but the average conservative doesn't give a fuck about leftists getting hit with pepper balls and getting arrested. If anything, they wish ICE would use live rounds on them instead
 
And they aren't enforcing equally, only in liberal cities, not in rural counties where tons of illegals are working in farms, or construction or plumbing or landscaping.
Why would a Republican administration looking to serve blue states the punishment they so richly deserve for luring foreigners to pad their census numbers for Congressional apportionment start with red states? We’ll get around to them all eventually. For now we have 30+ seats to deny the blue states. Red states can stay padded while we deport the illegals from the blues en masse first.
 
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