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The Department of Homeland Security, communicating with the public through its official account on X, sent an ominous message last week: “FEAR NOT, GREAT PEOPLE OF MINNESOTA, THE DAY OF RECKONING & RETRIBUTION IS COMING!”

What ensued, as you might expect when a heavily armed security agency announces an operation in terms typically employed by comic-book-movie villains, was chaos. ICE agents, many of them masked, went on to detain citizens and noncitizens alike. They threatened and sometimes employed violence, provoking widespread protests.

Republicans have deplored the mayhem in Minnesota. But they don’t hold the agency that set it off responsible. Instead they’ve condemned the protesters and the Democratic politicians who encouraged them. When President Trump undertakes a policy or goal that the rest of his party cannot bring itself to endorse, his allies’ usual move is to attribute a different and more noble motivation to him, while shifting the blame to his opponents. So it is in Minnesota.

“The scenes of destruction and damage taking place in Minneapolis are abhorrent. This violence cannot be tolerated. Unfortunately, our state leaders’ inaction and support of these violent riots are failing every Minnesotan and putting law enforcement’s lives at risk,” wrote House Whip Tom Emmer, a Minnesotan. Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey and Minnesota Governor Tim Walz “want the crazy,” Representative Byron Donalds charged.

In this view, the people who “want the crazy” are not the ones posting wild threats in all caps, but the ones saying things like this, from Walz: “What Donald Trump wants is violence in the streets. But Minnesota will remain an island of decency, of justice, of community, and of peace. Don’t give him what he wants.” Scott Jennings, the CNN talking head and potential Republican Senate candidate for Kentucky, replied, “‘Minnesota will remain an island.’ Walz cannot be more explicit - this buffoon believes he is seceding from the Union. We are well into Insurrection Act territory.”

Referring to Minnesota as an “island of decency” and to other virtues is not even a subtle secession threat, let alone an “explicit” one. Yet the Jennings perspective is pervasive among Republicans. Even Republicans who sometimes refrain from endorsing the president’s most unhinged demands seem to believe that the ICE protests have no legitimacy and that Minnesota’s Democratic officials are, if not outright criminals, bad actors.

Some protesters have in fact adopted confrontational tactics—in one awful instance, they stormed a church and disrupted a service to confront a pastor who works for ICE. But the Republican argument is not merely that the protests have occasionally gone too far. It is that the protests are themselves the core problem, and Walz’s specific suggestion that Minnesotans record agents’ actions is escalatory, if not illegal.

Walz “is courting more ugly incidents,” the Wall Street Journal editorial page scolds. “The President has the legal authority to unleash ICE, and the agents are doing what they are told to do. The way to defeat the Trump policy is at the ballot box, not by obstructing agents in violation of the law.” National Review’s Noah Rothman argues, “What Walz is advising his citizens to do is likely to result in more violence and, potentially, more death.” Zachary Faria writes in the Washington Examiner, “What you have with ICE agents in Minneapolis is people exercising the lawful authority to detain illegal immigrants and, on the other end of that, anyone interfering with federal law enforcement actions.”

The premise underpinning this argument is that ICE is acting legally and in the service of legitimate immigration-enforcement goals. That assumption is difficult to square with on-the-ground reporting. The shooting death of Renee Nicole Good is the most high-profile incident, but the Journal found that the episode “shares characteristics with others the Journal reviewed: Agents box in a vehicle, try to remove an individual, block attempts to flee, then fire”—tactics that violate law-enforcement protocol.

The New York Times reported on a couple driving home from a basketball game who were attacked with tear gas. The Associated Press found footage of agents brutalizing a man they had pinned to the ground. A group of local police chiefs told reporters that their officers, while off duty, were stopped with guns drawn solely based on their skin color. After a toy-store owner criticized ICE in a television interview, its agents raided the shop and conducted an audit. Multiple attorneys have claimed that their clients are being held incommunicado, in plain violation of the Constitution.

What’s more, the administration’s accounts of ICE’s actions have repeatedly proved untrue. The administration accused Good of steering her car directly into the ICE agent who shot her. But a New York Times video analysis demonstrates both that Good’s car was steered away from the agent, and that the agent fired shots into the car from a safe distance. Just a week after Good’s death, agents in Minneapolis shot a Venezuelan man in the leg. The administration claimed that the man provoked the shooting by assaulting ICE agents with a deadly weapon, but that was also contradicted by video evidence.

These episodes do not appear to be exceptional. A judge reviewing evidence of ICE’s conduct concluded, “The record adequately illustrates that the defendants have made, and will continue to make, a common practice of conduct that chills observers’ and protesters’ First Amendment rights,” and another judge wrote that Border Patrol chief Gregory Bovino was “outright lying” under oath about his methods.

The context behind all of these actions is a barely disguised desire to reverse the demographic changes of the past half century. DHS regularly shares white-nationalist memes. Trump has described Somalia in such terms as filthy, dirty, and disgusting, and its people as being “low IQ.” His immigration agenda appears to be aimed not so much at enforcing the law as attacking categories of people he believes do not deserve to live in the United States, irrespective of legal status.

The president has unleashed something akin to an occupying army that feels entitled to brutalize the population and routinely ignore the law. For those communities quaking in terror, simply waiting three years for a new president is not sufficient. Violence is not the answer, but calling out Trump for fomenting it, and advising Minnesotans to record agents on the streets, seems like a measured response.

Conservatives are making the same error they made during the civil-rights era, when outlets such as National Review dismissed protesters as criminals. It is fair enough to give law enforcement some benefit of the doubt, but treating its actions as presumptively legitimate even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary gives license to the sort of despotism that is staring us in the face.
 
If their goal was to get rid of illegals, I don't have a problem with that. What I do have a problem with is them dressing up like nazis, marching in the streets like nazis, and basically shitting on the rights of legitimate Americans or legal immigrants. And they aren't enforcing equally, only in liberal cities, not in rural counties where tons of illegals are working in farms, or construction or plumbing or landscaping.
 
I oppose slavery and know that illegals need to be removed to prevent corporations from exploiting illegal labor, which hurts both Americans and the illegal aliens.

And because I'm racist.
 
If their goal was to get rid of illegals, I don't have a problem with that. What I do have a problem with is them dressing up like nazis, marching in the streets like nazis, and basically shitting on the rights of legitimate Americans or legal immigrants. And they aren't enforcing equally, only in liberal cities, not in rural counties where tons of illegals are working in farms, or construction or plumbing or landscaping.
Kill yourself, faggot. I would have posted this on your profile but you have it set to private because you are also a coward.
 
If their goal was to get rid of illegals, I don't have a problem with that. What I do have a problem with is them dressing up like nazis, marching in the streets like nazis, and basically shitting on the rights of legitimate Americans or legal immigrants. And they aren't enforcing equally, only in liberal cities, not in rural counties where tons of illegals are working in farms, or construction or plumbing or landscaping.
You don't have a right to interfere with immigration law enforcement. It doesn't make a difference if you're a Heritage American or fresh off the boat. Don't be surprised when the Feds escalate the situation. Do not listen to communist lies that will ruin your life.

The bughives are being hit first to deprive lefty states of the fraudulent voters and inflated population numbers that give them undue representation in congress via the census. Trump's administration has already deported enough illegals to cost Minnesota an electoral vote.

Secondly I agree he needs to hit everyone. But he's going to focus his resources on the states that refuse to cooperate. Texas doesn't need as much federal focus because sheriffs and police are working with ICE to deport illegals.
 
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If their goal was to get rid of illegals, I don't have a problem with that. What I do have a problem with is them dressing up like nazis, marching in the streets like nazis, and basically shitting on the rights of legitimate Americans or legal immigrants. And they aren't enforcing equally, only in liberal cities, not in rural counties where tons of illegals are working in farms, or construction or plumbing or landscaping.
I finally got what I voted for.
 
If their goal was to get rid of illegals, I don't have a problem with that.
Seems like you do.
What I do have a problem with is them dressing up like nazis, marching in the streets like nazis,
Wut?
and basically shitting on the rights of legitimate Americans or legal immigrants.
Got any examples, or are you just going off fake news headlines like the family driving home from a basketball game that totally weren't filmed protesting while the game was supposed to be happening?
And they aren't enforcing equally, only in liberal cities,
That's where most of them are.
not in rural counties where tons of illegals are working in farms, or construction or plumbing or landscaping.
Well, rural counties generally work with federal law enforcement. It's happening, you just aren't seeing it because your preferred news organization can't make good stories out of them. The only salient point you make concerns farm workers, but rounding them all up at once would disrupt the food supply too much. It's an issue, but not the most pressing one. Also, the VAST majority of food is grown in CA, and the feds have barely even touched CA yet. I'm hoping they start soon though.
 
I wish, I wish so badly we could give these people the world they want, just to see how long they'd last in it.

Sadly we would end up burning along side these progressive idiots but it would almost be worth it...almost.
 
If their goal was to get rid of illegals, I don't have a problem with that. What I do have a problem with is them dressing up like nazis, marching in the streets like nazis, and basically shitting on the rights of legitimate Americans or legal immigrants. And they aren't enforcing equally, only in liberal cities, not in rural counties where tons of illegals are working in farms, or construction or plumbing or landscaping.
You're retarded so you likely didn't pickup on this but the reason you believe that it's "only in liberal cities" that ICE is operating is because liberal cities are the only ones actively resisting criminals being removed from their communities. Those cases are then covered in the media warping your little perception of the situation.
 
If their goal was to get rid of illegals, I don't have a problem with that. What I do have a problem with is them dressing up like nazis, marching in the streets like nazis, and basically shitting on the rights of legitimate Americans or legal immigrants. And they aren't enforcing equally, only in liberal cities, not in rural counties where tons of illegals are working in farms, or construction or plumbing or landscaping.
Sanctuary city laws are why ICE themselves are going into city to arrest illegals. Typically what happens with criminal aliens is the cops will either pick them up or when they do a drunk driving (that the local DA will not prosecute) they hand them over to ICE.

They are actually raiding rural industries like slaughter houses and other shit. It’s more that liberal cities deliberately shielded illegals in defiance of immigration norms because Orange man.
 
Trump and ICE didn't start this shit. Minnesota and other blue states started it when they decided to be sanctuary cities for illegals. I think that was during the first trump admin.
 
If their goal was to get rid of illegals, I don't have a problem with that. What I do have a problem with is them dressing up like nazis, marching in the streets like nazis, and basically shitting on the rights of legitimate Americans or legal immigrants. And they aren't enforcing equally, only in liberal cities, not in rural counties where tons of illegals are working in farms, or construction or plumbing or landscaping.
Nah you're lying. You're trying to poison the well. You're one of those faggots that tries to throw Bible verses in the faces of Christians to shame them and (incorrectly) runs their mouth about how illegals pay taxes and don't get welfare or public support. You also run your mouth about "muh slave labor! you can't deport muh heckin beanerinos because then who will work for pennies on the dollar as a slave like underclass to suppress American wages? Think of the corpos!"

Without exaggeration every post you have made about illegals is a "I hate illegals and want to deport them, but have you thought about how ICE is Nazis and maybe we need the slave labor???" Eat shit, fuck you.
 
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