Why Catholicism?
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So the scriptural basis for the Catholic church is Matthew 16:18 "And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."
Peter was the first pontiff of the Church, the pontiff being the vicar of Christ. And, at least allegedly, the Catholic church and its pontiffs are descended from an unbroken line going back directly to peter. Therefore, the Catholic church is the "true" Church.
Disclaimer: I was raised Catholic, still call myself Catholic, and have many criticisms of the Catholic Church. I have some takes on my faith that would have gotten me executed 1000 years ago for heresy even if I do love Christ.
That said, I'm sure you can think of many reasons you wouldn't like the Church, but keep in mind the Church is also not intended to be without flaw. The Church is run by humans, so there's gonna be imperfection. The argument I would make is that yeah, you might not like the current guy running it or the last few guys running it (I don't either), but despite how gay it is to wash muslims feet, there's also good things those disliked pontiffs have done. Francis, for example, has codified that women cannot enter the Priesthood. There's that black cardinal who might be next in line who is basically a 1488 black guy. It's a mixed bag, and if you're looking for something to match your politics de jure you're gonna be disappointed no matter what fork of Christendom you choose. The Church, at least, by its own record, is the "main fork" of Christianity, with Orthodoxy and Protestantism being later forks. I'm not gonna be one of those fags that tells you that you have to be Catholic to go to heaven, because that in and of itself is probably a mortal sin (making Christendom look bad is a mortal sin), and I'm not sure to what extent a Priest is needed as a conduit for the administering of reconciliation and communion. Just do works, confess your sins, remain in a state of grace if possible, and I would posit that the big man upstairs is not going to fault you over the choice of what type of robe the preacher you see on sunday is wearing.
Just don't be a Methodist or Episcopalian. Those guys are actual fucking heretics and should be burned to death at the stake. They worship homosexuality and LGBTQ+ identity over God.
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As opposed to Eastern Orthodox? And what are your thoughts on the whole Vatican II debacle?
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I'm not kidding either. I'm sure you've seen those clips where a lesbian pastor elected solely on the basis of her lesbianhood wearing a rainblow flag robe is in a church full of rainbow flags and delivering a sermon on how "god is nonbinary" (Spitting on the concept of the trinity which is fundamental to Christianity), making tiktoks equating God's love of all his creations as approval of the sin of homosexuality, or praising "god's queerness", or stating Jesus was gay/a woman/trans/take your fucking pick, or bringing little "trans" kids up to the pulpit and praising their queerness. In a sane world those fucking Episcopalian dogs would have been put to the scourge until they recant or flayed alive.
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Our Priests and Nuns drink beer, plus we’ll forgive you for anything so long as you ask.
That’s enough reason.
That’s enough reason.
Balalaika Z Bree
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Denying or perverting the Fatherhood God gifts us by making us his sons and daughters is denying the Gospel, and mocking the ministry of our Lord and Saviour.
They are heretics, making them martyrs only helps their cause. They ought to be shunned, confronted for their evil, and prosecuted to the full by just laws when they attempt to corrupt the innocent.
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From what I hear, more of the young crowd are turning towards churches that are theologically conservative and leaving the more liberal ones, with gay shit being the breaking point for a lot of people. Especially young men, it seems.
My mother's side of the family is Episcopalian, and honestly their church kind of sucks and is what I refer to as Alcoholics Anonymous Christians. Like, they pay lip service to the faith and donate decent amounts of money but that's pretty much it, real loosey goosey. Now I go to an Anglican church that is part of the ACNA because I respect the pastor and he knows his shit really well, and last I checked the ACNA does not do gay marriage but it's one of the main talking points for Anglican leaders now, so it's a clusterfuck and we'll probably see it come to a head and see some splits among the conservative and liberal churches again.
I'm in a weird position, as I am gay but I don't support gay marriage as I think it is supposed to be between a man and woman etc etc. So it's a really fine line to walk of finding a church that I agree with in terms of theological politics, but could also bring my long term boyfriend around to lunches and stuff and not have it be a big to-do.
But back to Catholics, I give them big props for not bending to the woke shit that has infested other institutions, at least the ones I know. The Methodist church that I drive past often legit has a fucking tranny pride flag hanging on it's sign year round, like that's how bad it is these days.
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You shouldn't. It's a dead church run by non-believers and only surviving by living on past glory. Go Orthodox.
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I kind of just showed up and the people were pretty chill, didn't get Confirmed but I like going to church.
In fairness, I'm in a very classically liberal city and most people don't really give a shit.
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Why Catholicism? Because it's not just a religion, it's an aesthetic.
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Luther's positions grew increasingly extreme and divergent from Church teaching over time. Remember he was not only a parish priest but professor of moral theology in the period leading up to the 95 Theses. There was a big difference between Luther in 1517 and several years later after his excommunication, let alone in the following decades.
It's important to note one of the major drivers of Luther's positions was his extreme scrupulosity. He would confess over and over and perform extreme mortifications over the tiniest of sins. Quite honestly I think he had a genuine mental illness, this kind of scrupulosity is common in religious people with OCD.
That's putting it mildly. Corruption in the Church on the eve of the Reformation was extremely severe, probably worse than even during the Saeculum Obscurum back in the 10th century....Julius II was probably the worst Pope in the entire history of the Church due to the scope of his corruption.
You can get an idea of the serious problems by what Trent focused on.
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Orthodoxy is equally as valid as Catholicism in that regard, but it has never produced the same kind of religious scholarship with a universal reach like Catholicism. A lot of this is because it's an extremely ethnic and culture-bound religion; you aren't just Orthodox, you're Greek, Romanian, Ukrainian, Russian, Bulgarian, etc. This is also a big reason why the Orthodox churches have never really been effective at evangelism vs. the RCC.
Vatican II I think was necessary given the problems in the Church (no council happens out of the blue) but the implementation was severely misguided and went off the rails leading to the chaos and decline in the Church that more or less continued unabated until the latter part of John Paul II's papacy. Even today the Ordinary Form as celebrated in most churches is far different from the intent of the Council.
The actual documents produced by the Council are really quite a profound read, in fact the Office of Readings from the Liturgy of the Hours includes excerpts from them as part of the lessons in that Office.
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Catholics have the best knick-knacks, and fancy robes and hats and stuff.
Do not be deceived. All homosexual relationships are sinful, even celibate ones (read 1 Corinthians 11 for more info). "He who loveth father or mother more than me, is not worthy of me."
To be a Christian: Anglican Catechism said:
Orthodoxy is great. But, God has put me into a very good church, and I shouldn't try and fight that.
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I know that stuff, and I'll be real I kind of lapsed in my faith for a bit because it's pretty hard to square the two together. Still don't really know what to do about it, if I'm honest.
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holy shit, finally someone who gets it
I hate protestant "worship" so fucking much
even though my Catholicism is tantamount to a cultural vestigal limb
it's shocking to me how many people think singing with their hands in the air for some crappy rock band is like...
appropriate behavior for worshipping the LORD your GOD? where is the solemnity?
Town Drunk
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Imagine being a Christian who follows a man who adorns himself in gold and finery, along with an institution that runs like a political government. Y'all motherfuckers are modern day Pharisees.
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