Science Where Have All the Heart Attacks Gone? - Except for treating Covid-19, many hospitals seem to be eerily quiet. - New York Times.

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Where Have All the Heart Attacks Gone?
Except for treating Covid-19, many hospitals seem to be eerily quiet.


By Harlan M. Krumholz, M.D.


The hospitals are eerily quiet, except for Covid-19.
I have heard this sentiment from fellow doctors across the United States and in many other countries. We are all asking: Where are all the patients with heart attacks and stroke? They are missing from our hospitals.
Yale New Haven Hospital, where I work, has almost 300 people stricken with Covid-19, and the numbers keep rising — and yet we are not yet at capacity because of a marked decline in our usual types of patients. In more normal times, we never have so many empty beds.
Our hospital is usually so full that patients wait in gurneys along the walls of the emergency department for a bed to become available on the general wards or even in the intensive care unit. We send people home from the hospital as soon as possible so we can free up beds for those who are waiting. But the pandemic has caused a previously unimaginable shift in the demand for hospital services.
Some of the excess capacity is indeed by design. We canceled elective procedures, though many of those patients never needed hospitalization. We are now providing care at home through telemedicine, but those services are for stable outpatients, not for those who are acutely ill.


What is striking is that many of the emergencies have disappeared. Heart attack and stroke teams, always poised to rush in and save lives, are mostly idle. This is not just at my hospital. My fellow cardiologists have shared with me that their cardiology consultations have shrunk, except those related to Covid-19. In an informal Twitter poll by @angioplastyorg, an online community of cardiologists, almost half of the respondents reported that they are seeing a 40 percent to 60 percent reduction in admissions for heart attacks; about 20 percent reported more than a 60 percent reduction.

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And this is not a phenomenon specific to the United States. Investigators from Spain reported a 40 percent reduction in emergency procedures for heart attacks during the last week of March compared with the period just before the pandemic hit.


And it may not just be heart attacks and strokes. Colleagues on Twitter report a decline in many other emergencies, including acute appendicitis and acute gall bladder disease.
The most concerning possible explanation is that people stay home and suffer rather than risk coming to the hospital and getting infected with coronavirus. This theory suggests that Covid-19 has instilled fear of face-to-face medical care. As a result, many people with urgent health problems may be opting to remain at home rather than call for help. And when they do finally seek medical attention, it is often only after their condition has worsened. Doctors from Hong Kong reported an increase in patients coming to the hospital late in the course of their heart attack, when treatment is less likely to be lifesaving.
There are other possible explanations for the missing patients. In this time of social distancing, our meals, social interactions and physical activity patterns tend to be very different. Maybe we have removed some of the triggers for heart attacks and strokes, like excessive eating and drinking or abrupt periods of physical exertion. This theory merits research but seems unlikely to explain the dramatic changes we’re observing.




We actually expected to see more heart attacks during this time. Respiratory infections typically increase the risk of heart attacks. Studies suggest that recent respiratory infections can double the risk of a heart attack or stroke. The risk seems to begin soon after the respiratory infection develops, so any rise in heart attacks or strokes should be evident by now. We urge people to get flu vaccines every year, in part, to protect their hearts.
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Also, times of stress increase the risk of heart attacks and strokes. Depression, anxiety and frustration, feelings that the pandemic might exacerbate, are all associated with a doubling or more of heart attack risks. Work and life stress, which also may be higher with the acute disruptions we’ve all been going through, can markedly increase the risk of a heart attack. Moreover, events like earthquakes or terrorist attacks or war, in which an entire society is exposed to a stressor, are risk factors for heart attacks. Finally, Covid-19 can actually affect the heart, which should be increasing the number of patients with heart problems.
Experts are bringing together data to confirm these patterns. We hope to gain a greater understanding of their causes and consequences.
Meanwhile, the immediate message to patients is clear: Don’t delay needed treatment. If fear of the pandemic leads people to delay or avoid care, then the death rate will extend far beyond those directly infected by the virus. Time to treatment dictates the outcomes for people with heart attacks and strokes. These deaths may not be labeled Covid-19 deaths, but surely, they are collateral damage.
The public needs to know that hospitals are equipped not only to care for people with Covid-19 but also those who have other life-threatening health problems. Yes, we in health care are working to keep people out of the hospital if we can, but we can safely provide care for those people who are not sick from Covid-19. Masks and protective gear for health care workers and patients go a long way to ensure a safe environment. Also, people with chronic conditions need to know that avoidance of needed care could ultimately be as big a threat as the virus itself.
As we fight coronavirus, we need to combat perceptions that everyone else must stay away from the hospital. The pandemic toll will be much worse if it leads people to avoid care for life-threatening, yet treatable, conditions like heart attacks and strokes.
Harlan Krumholz, M.D., is professor of medicine at Yale and director of the Yale New Haven Hospital Center for Outcomes Research and Evaluation.

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Where, indeed.
 
They're very serious things though. People aren't not going to go for those. What is happening to them?
Appendicitis is often caused by infections in your GI tract. This is likely happening less because of what @Tasty Tatty said about diet and that since people aren't out as much, they're reducing their chances of getting infected with anything to include infections which can lead to appendicitis. As for gall bladder disease, cholesterol intake is a major risk factor for that, so chances are it's almost purely what @Tasty Tatty said. People aren't stuffing their faces with fast foods as much now.
 
Am I the only one who finds this situation fascinating? Like, screw learning about corona. What special circumstance made this happen? Heart disease and strokes kill and will keep killing forever. What ancient chinese secret made it taper off? Is it real? Can we replicate it once things are normal again?

I hope there are many very smart scientists working on it. There is a lot to learn here. Even if it is nothing learning what made the nothing happen this weird way is still useful for other stuff.
 
They're very serious things though. People aren't not going to go for those. What is happening to them?

Crazily enough, appendicitis can resolve itself (though of course appendicitis is often very serious). PL: This happened to a relative of mine while he waited in an ER for treatment.


 
Appendicitis is often caused by infections in your GI tract. This is likely happening less because of what @Tasty Tatty said about diet and that since people aren't out as much, they're reducing their chances of getting infected with anything to include infections which can lead to appendicitis. As for gall bladder disease, cholesterol intake is a major risk factor for that, so chances are it's almost purely what @Tasty Tatty said. People aren't stuffing their faces with fast foods as much now.

Yeah, but is it this likely to resolve this quickly?
And a lot of these questions have come up in countries that don't really have massive fast food problems or more so, eat at home more. South Korea are hoping to research this, because they believe that accurate reporting is why some countries have had lower counts of death associated to Covid-19. They're actually releasing all their data on the prior health histories of all the people who have died of Covid-19.
Some people in South Korea are... starting to think China's numbers weren't THAT rigged. Which I find disturbing.
We know in Italy they weren't even testing. Just if you died, it was naturally assumed.

I do agree it's having an effect, but I also know that they're counting anyone who tests positive to it - even after death - even those who are asymptomatic, towards official death counts.
They counted someone who was already in a hospice for something they were actively dying of, as a Covid-19 death, because after their death they tested positive. (With a Chinese test kit, mind you.)

Am I the only one who finds this situation fascinating? Like, screw learning about corona. What special circumstance made this happen? Heart disease and strokes kill and will keep killing forever. What ancient chinese secret made it taper off? Is it real? Can we replicate it once things are normal again?

I hope there are many very smart scientists working on it. There is a lot to learn here. Even if it is nothing learning what made the nothing happen this weird way is still useful for other stuff.

In Australia, they've cancelled all cancer screenings and closed path labs. So they're not testing for things they'd otherwise be rushing to test for. What will they do with all the cancer rates that pop up later, at a more severe level than they ought to be?
They've put nurses out of work who were in the public sector - just laid them off. Yet at the same time, they were calling for retired nurses and doctors to "come out of retirement" for this surge they were expecting.

It seems odd that if you're expecting normal capacity + extra capacity, nurses wouldn't be laid off. They'd be needed.
Is it more the case that normal capacity is over inflated and people don't actually need medical assistance for a lot of things? If so, why should we trust any medical experts at all? Like, if that's the case then all their research has been bullshit and for the love of buck chasing.

I kind of like that someone from Yale is musing about this. It makes it more mainstream.
 
I went to the hosptial about a couple weeks back and there was a guy with two broken legs being completely ignored in favor of those who were there for covid 19 testing. He was in a great deal of pain, moaning and cursing, and was just sort of left in a wheelchair in the middle of the room for the entire time I was there. There's no worse time to be at a hospital if you dont have the wuflu, I'd bet most people are just ignoring whatever ailments they got.
 
I went to the hosptial about a couple weeks back and there was a guy with two broken legs being completely ignored in favor of those who were there for covid 19 testing. He was in a great deal of pain, moaning and cursing, and was just sort of left in a wheelchair in the middle of the room for the entire time I was there. There's no worse time to be at a hospital if you dont have the wuflu, I'd bet most people are just ignoring whatever ailments they got.
and that's why they say the hospitals are "warzones". because idiots with a flu or a bronchitis can't go to their familydoctor but they go out of sheer panic straight to to ER.
 
Where have all the heart attacks gone
And where are all the old?
Where's the streetwiseHNNNNNNNNNNNNG!
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Yeah, but is it this likely to resolve this quickly?
Realistically, yes. It's still murky, but the prevailing theory for the purpose of this mysterious organ is that it's the Svalbard seed bank of your gut biome; if you ever get sick enough or develop a condition and absolutely wrecks a specifically needed bacteria that helps with your overall digestion, it gets replaced from the appendix. When it fails or bursts, spreading all those bacteria samples willy-nilly throughout your body is usually fatal. But what causes it to fail in the first place? Stress leading to those bacteria samples growing where they should be dormant? It's reasonable to assume there's lots of close calls day-to-day where some part of your appendix catalog grows out of balance, but a calm few hours lets your immune system work to self-correct and prune the weeds in there; in a societal change like this where people are getting to eat simple things at home more often and relax in their personal spaces, it's probably great for reducing overall stress on everyone's appendices, which is leading to fewer needs for surgery. We probably have a lot of close calls with appendix failures that go untracked and undiagnosed, and conditions are leading to overall improvement for how that part of our immune & digestive systems works.

Best guess anyways
 
and that's why they say the hospitals are "warzones". because idiots with a flu or a bronchitis can't go to their familydoctor but they go out of sheer panic straight to to ER.
It’s also important to keep in mind that there was a law passed that requires ERs to accept anyone who comes in, regardless of insurance or citizenship status, and it’s part of the reason for the overcrowding, the semi-callousness of those who work there, and why they’re so damned expensive.

I’ve heard some saying that the COVID-19 has been a blessing in some regards because they at least don’t have to deal with a bunch of dumbasses coming in for “free” treatment with their “my elbow feel funny” nonsense.
 

Normally there are about 20-25 people who die in their homes each day in NYC, as opposed to a hospital.

In the past week about 200 people are dying in their homes every day according to the city medical examiner. That's around 800% more than usual.

Some of those are probably heart attacks. Most are probably corona-chan that, since they're not testing bodies, are getting buried without being including in the statistics.
 
Hospital lab tech here. Our small, rural ED is pretty much dead. We get only a couple patients a day. There has been some old people falling, heart attacks, spousal abuse, abscessed teeth, leg pain, pregos, you know the usual shit, and hypochondriacs with possible RSV or plain jane colds demanding corona-chan tests.
 
It's completely anecdotal, but I knew somebody who had to have her appendix removed in her fifties, and put the blame directly on the preceeding months of insane stress after her boss retired, and a psycho bitch got put in as a replacement.
 
Some of those are probably heart attacks. Most are probably corona-chan that, since they're not testing bodies, are getting buried without being including in the statistics.

Yes, we will find out afterward tens of thousands have died in their homes that could've been detected/treated because all medical facilities were concerned with coronavirus. Then we will find out about the thousands who killed themselves and their families over the economy imploding and media hysteria.
 
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