Where do Afghanistan’s refugees go? - Pakistan I guess

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Images of thousands of Afghans desperately trying to flee their country following a hasty U.S. withdrawal have provoked an international outcry.

As of Aug. 22, 2021, some 6,000 U.S. troops were working to evacuate U.S. military, American citizens and Afghans who are approved for Special Immigrant Visas. SIVs are a special program to protect Afghans who risked their lives working for U.S. troops in Afghanistan.

Germany, France, Italy and the U.K. are conducting smaller evacuation efforts for their nationals and some Afghans.

The pace of these poorly planned evacuations has been slow. They are taking place amid chaos in Kabul, where crowds are being confronted by violence from members of the now-ruling Taliban and U.S. forces and facing checkpoints that are near-impossible to pass.

Shaharzad Akbar, who leads the Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission, called the situation “failure upon failure.”

As a scholar specializing in forcible displacement and refugees, I see this harrowing scene unfolding within a broader context of Afghanistan’s long-standing displacement crisis. This includes an unequal sharing of refugees between the developed world and economically disadvantaged countries.

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A muted US role​

The U.S. Refugee Act of 1980 standardized the procedures for admitting refugees – people who have fled war, violence, conflict or persecution – and put in place a rigorous vetting process. But over the past 40 years, U.S. acceptance rates for refugees worldwide have fallen significantly – from 200,000 admitted in 1980 to less than 50,000 in 2019.

Over the past 20 years, the U.S. admitted more than 20,000 Afghan refugees – an average of roughly 1,000 per year. But during the 2020-2021 fiscal year, just 11,800 refugees from around the world settled in the U.S. – among them were only 495 Afghan Special Immigrant Visa recipients. That number seems tiny compared to the approximately 20,000 Afghans who are currently in the pipeline waiting for a SIV and the additional 70,000 Afghans — including applicants and their immediate family members — who are eligible to apply.

Europe hosts few Afghan refugees​

For decades, Afghans have also migrated or fled to Europe. Between 2015-2016, 300,000 of them arrived on the continent. They were the second-largest group of refugees and asylum-seekers after Syrians. Asylum seekers are people seeking refugee status, but whose claim has yet to be evaluated.

The Afghan population across the European continent remains small and unevenly distributed. Up until the Taliban takeover of Kabul in August 2021, many Afghans were facing deportations. Germany is the largest European host, followed by Austria, France and Sweden.

For the first three months of 2021 about 7,000 Afghans were granted permanent or temporary legal status in the European Union. They are distributed between Greece, France, Germany and Italy, with smaller Afghan contingents in other EU states.

Australia – based on its 2016 census – has approximately 47,000 Afghans who are permanent residents, some of whom began arriving as early as 1979. Approximately another 4,200 Afghans have received temporary protected status.

Displaced within Afghanistan​

This still leaves an enormous number of Afghans who are displaced without a permanent home. More than half a million have already been displaced by the violence so far in 2021 according to the U.N. refugee agency. Some 80% of nearly a quarter of a million Afghans forced to flee since the end of May are women and children.

As of 2021 and prior to the current crisis, at least 3.5 million Afghans remained uprooted within Afghanistan because of violence, political unrest, poverty, climate crisis and lack of economic opportunity.

Four Afghan refugees enter Pakistan at a border crossing point marked by barbed wire while a man in army dress watches.
Afghan refugees enter into Pakistan through a border crossing point in Chaman while a Pakistani army soldier stands guard. AP Photo/uncredited photographer

Afghan refugees in Pakistan​

The vast majority of Afghan refugees do not settle in the West.

Pakistan, which shares a 1,640-mile land border with Afghanistan, has long absorbed the largest number of Afghan refugees even though it is not a party to the 1951 Refugee Convention or the 1967 Protocol. Within two years of the 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, following the conflict ignited by the rise of the Mujahideen, 1.5 million Afghans had become refugees. By 1986, nearly five million Afghans had fled to Pakistan and Iran.

Since March 2002, the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, or UNHCR, had repatriated nearly 3.2 million Afghans, but in April 2021, the United Nations reported that more than 1.4 million Afghan refugees remained in Pakistan due to ongoing violence, unemployment and political turbulence in Afghanistan.

Iran also remains a significant host for Afghans, with nearly 800,000 registered refugees and at least two million more who are unregistered. Smaller numbers of Afghan refugees and asylum-seekers are in India (15,689), Indonesia (7,692) and Malaysia (2,478).

Turkey – the world’s largest refugee host, with over 3.8 million registered Syrian refugees – has 980 registered Afghan refugees and 116,000 Afghan asylum-seekers.

A group of protesters march with Afghan flags
Despite the presence of the Taliban, a group of protesters march with Afghan flags during the country’s Independence Day rally in Kabul, Afghanistan on Aug. 19, 2021. Haroon Sabawoon/Anadolu Agency via Getty Images

As it stands today​

The latest figures from the AP show that more than 47,000 Afghan civilians and at least 66,000 Afghan military and police forces have died in the 20-year-old Afghanistan war

The security situation in the country had been deteriorating in recent years. According to Brown University’s Cost of War Project, an increasing numbers of Afghans have been killed as a result of crossfire, improvised explosive devices, assassinations by militant groups including the Taliban, night raids by U.S. and NATO forces and U.S.-led airstrikes.

Even prior to the Taliban takeover of Kabul, civilian casualties had risen by 29% in the first quarter of 2021 compared with the same period in 2020. A U.N. report from July 26, 2021 found a 37% increase in the number of women killed and injured, and a 23% increase in child casualties compared with the first quarter of 2020.

With the Taliban takeover of Kabul, there is a growing concern for the safety of Afghanistan’s women and girls, ethnic minorities, journalists, government workers, educators and human rights activists. Many Afghans desperate to leave remain outside Kabul and far from any airport.

U.S. evacuations will likely end once all Americans are out of Afghanistan. A few other western countries have committed to taking in small numbers of refugees, including Canada (20,000) and the U.K. (20,000 over 5 years).

Still, adoption of hard-line policies and anti-refugee sentiments across much of Europe means that relatively few Afghans will find sanctuary on the continent. Austria and Switzerland have already refused to take in large numbers of Afghans. Turkey, already straining with refugees, said it does not want to become “Europe’s refugee warehouse.”

Other countries committing to take in Afghans temporarily in small numbers include Albania, Qatar, Costa Rica, Mexico, Chile, Ecuador and Colombia. Uganda, which already hosts 1.5 million refugees, mainly from South Sudan, has also agreed to take in 2,000 Afghans temporarily.

Ultimately, most Afghans able to leave the country will do so not in an aircraft, but on foot into Pakistan and Iran. Pakistan, already strained by its own economic and political struggles, will once again likely be the largest host for the most recently displaced Afghans.

But given that border crossings in the region are difficult and dangerous, the vast majority of uprooted Afghans will remain within Afghanistan’s borders. Their considerable humanitarian needs, economic and political challenges, security concerns and resistance to the Taliban will shape the next chapter of the country’s history.
 
Nanci Pelosi's gated community.
Communities, plural. I'm pretty sure she owns multiple houses.

I'm sure the socialists have space too. Sanders has multiple houses, and I hear a couple members of the squad own rental properties.

I wouldn't trust the gates to keep anything in though, so it might not be worth it, no matter how karmically amusing it would be.
 
Drop them back off in the Afghani mountains and tell them it's Utah. They'll probably never figure it out.
 
Seriously how the fuck do we stay for 20 years helping them fight the taliban and they still can't figure it out. They can migrate to the ocean for all I care, we have enough sandniggers. Or just send them all to Sweden.
 
Well no shit. 9 to 10 hour plane ride versus crossing the border attached to your country. Super hard to figure out why they're going to Pakistan.

At least Pakistan and Iran already have similar cultures. None of this is bad news. All those healthy young men who had the balls to hold on to aircraft wheels mid flight are also welcome to find the balls to fight for their own country.
 
I think they would be happier in Pakistan anyway. I wouldn't want to live in Iran even if I was Iranian. But a culture closer to your own should be more comfortable for you.

As a woman I'm thankful I wasn't born in any country that ends in -stan. Women in Afghanistan have just lost all the freedoms they won because as a people they couldn't get it together. I'm not blaming individuals for the loss to the Taliban. But how could their defense forces as a whole crumble so easily?

Without lots of US troops occupying Afghanistan the whole thing fell apart very quicly. We can't babysit the world. Especially not for 20 years.

Back home, if they can't fight for their country then I don't want them.

They couldn't fight for their country. Not effectively. And this is why the Taliban won.

I feel very bad for women and children. But they are better off in countries more akin to their own cultures. We have so many here already. And poor Europe is overrun with rapefugees getting off with slaps on the wrist. It's time to start saying no and pointing them towards options that are less of a strain on the West. US already spend so much money we could have used back home. We can't keep spending more to house refugees by the ton.
 
But how could their defense forces as a whole crumble so easily?
If we believe a documentary I saw about the Taliban recently, they do not want to fight the Taliban because there are muslim scholars among them and killing them would be a big no no. So I guess it's easier to just give up everything because muh backwards religious beliefs stop me from actually fighting for my own freedom.

That, or they are just too proud to admit they fucking suck and cannot be bothered to band together as a country.
I cannot wrap my head around that. The Taliban forces cannot possibly keep a whole country in check. Do some underground revolutionary shit, steal some supplies, plant informants/spies inside their ranks, fucking pummel a guy when he is busy beating up a woman.
I know, I know, easier said than done and I am just a retard on the internet. But you would think that the country that can spawn people like the Taliban would also have some hardass/spiteful citizens that don't want to get oppressed.

Sorry, I am just MOTI because sooner or later, we will have a nice discussion about refugees in our country and ask ourselves why suddenly religious extremism and crime is going up.
 
They couldn't fight for their country. Not effectively. And this is why the Taliban won.
They had the American Army at their backs for a generation.

Get the people who have actually been helping us out, the translators the actual fighters who fought and the like, and their families. I will be happy to have them in.

However I heard an interview from a Translator that worked with the US and he directly stated "Afghan people want America to stay for 50 more years"

Fuck that shit, if you want Permanent Occupation, just ask to be a Colony and give us money every month.

But how could their defense forces as a whole crumble so easily?
From the guys I know who have gone to Afghanistan..the Afghan army was full of Drugged up Retards who make your average SanFransico Hobo look like a mensa card carrier.
 
If we believe a documentary I saw about the Taliban recently, they do not want to fight the Taliban because there are muslim scholars among them and killing them would be a big no no.
Well, that puts the austere religious scholar thing in a new light. Basically it's nonsense to us, but its a real argument that would be taken seriously over there? I knew it was propaganda but somehow that makes it feel so much creepier.

Anyways, this just boggles my mind. I could understand not wanting to kill anyone, but not wanting to kill religious scholars specifically? I would have assumed either you agree with the scholar so you probably wouldn't want to fight at all, or you disagree with the scholar in which case fuck them. I'll need some time to wrap my head around the idea that simultaneously they're sufficiently important enough that killing them would be very bad, but unimportant enough that if they weren't there, killing a bunch of guys who believe the same things as them would be A-OK.
 
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