Containment What will happen when Barb dies?

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bigshot said:
This video was six years ago. It's a VERY long way from this woman to the Barb we see now.
https://sonichu.com/cwcki/You're_Always_Pretty

Four years after that video the series of begging videos with Barbara as a zombie began. What happened between 2012 and 2016 that made such a profound impact on her? I'm guessing either onset of senility of some sort or a whole lot of alcohol.

I don't think the husband stealing is relevant any more. Barb is past her prime for that sort of thing.
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Barb has a vested interest in looking as far gone as she can, Chris gets Barbage money when he records her playing senile.

Remember that this is the woman who had enough sharpness to order Chris to make an oil and tyre change before taking her car, not to mention actually driving it places. I honestly don't see how you miss this shit every single time you talk about her.
 
bigshot said:
This video was six years ago. It's a VERY long way from this woman to the Barb we see now.
https://sonichu.com/cwcki/You're_Always_Pretty

Four years after that video the series of begging videos with Barbara as a zombie began. What happened between 2012 and 2016 that made such a profound impact on her? I'm guessing either onset of senility of some sort or a whole lot of alcohol.

I don't think the husband stealing is relevant any more. Barb is past her prime for that sort of thing.
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Between 2012 and 2016 she aged by about 4 years while a shitty diet and shitty living conditions (that mind you, were by her own design) contributed to the process.
I don't think Barb drinks, otherwise Chris would have been bitching about it for years now, where are you getting the idea that she does at this point in her life? Any money spent on booze is money not spent on sheetz or hoard.
And Chris aged just as fucking badly in that period of time but I don't see you bringing that up. We've long since established the gene pool on Barb's end is septic.
 
Sonichump said:
Didn’t Chris mention she was a breast cancer survivor? Cancer can do a number on a person. Specially things like make you lose tons of weight.
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Chris parrots shit he hears. It could be as simple as a breast cancer scare, in that she felt a lump, went to the doctor, had it biopsied and found it it was nothing and then Chris (or maybe even Barb herself) started calling Barb a breast cancer survivor.

Chris is very handwavy.

"Eh, you know what I meant" or "close enough" describe a lot of his communications.
 
neural said:
Barb has a vested interest in looking as far gone as she can, Chris gets Barbage money when he records her playing senile. Remember that this is the woman who had enough sharpness to order Chris to make an oil and tyre change before taking her car, not to mention actually driving it places. I honestly don't see how you miss this shit every single time you talk about her.
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Barb isn't playacting being out of it. She is out of it. It's all over her face. Four years looks like thirty. People who have senile dementia act like they are still fine. They feel like they're still the same as 20 years before. But anyone on the outside can see they aren't. Barb knows the car has been sitting so it needs servicing. But she doesn't realize the reason it's been sitting is because she is incapable of driving it any more and she's got Chris running all of her errands for her. I honestly can't see how people act as if Barb hasn't changed. She's sinking fast. The only question is if it's senility or booze. The end result is the same.
 
bigshot said:
Barb knows the car has been sitting so it needs servicing.
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Senile people generally don't keep track of their car maintenance, buddy.

bigshot said:
Barb knows the car has been sitting so it needs servicing. But she doesn't realize the reason it's been sitting is because she is incapable of driving it any more and she's got Chris running all of her errands for her.
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She knows it needs maintenance because she still drives it. You're being very wilfully obtuse here.
 
bigshot said:
Barb isn't playacting being out of it. She is out of it. It's all over her face. Four years looks like thirty. People who have senile dementia act like they are still fine. They feel like they're still the same as 20 years before. But anyone on the outside can see they aren't. Barb knows the car has been sitting so it needs servicing. But she doesn't realize the reason it's been sitting is because she is incapable of driving it any more and she's got Chris running all of her errands for her. I honestly can't see how people act as if Barb hasn't changed. She's sinking fast. The only question is if it's senility or booze. The end result is the same.
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I'll grant you that barb probably isn't as sharp as she used to be, but I don't think she's as bad as she's pretends to be in some videos.

She can keep track of things just fine, people with dementia don't balance multiple bank accounts, she does. She said so in a video("buy dog food tomorrow, use the other card"). I remember in a recent vid, Chris didn't know the date for a certificate of authenticity, so barb, quick as whip, took out her phone and read it off to him. People with dementia don't know what decade it is. Not to mention that she still drives, and as far as we know hasn't gotten pulled over. People with dementia don't drive. Or they do once then get their license taken away because they're driving through a field looking for their old high school. Plus she's a 70+ shut in, of course she looks like shit.

You gotta pay attention to the little tells when it comes to barb.
 
Mason Verger said:
People with dementia don't know what decade it is.
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It's not that simple. My mother has trouble remembering my middle name, sometimes calls me my nephew's name, and immediately recognized the grounds of the 1964 World's Fair and could point out and name individual buildings from a picture I took out the window of an airliner.
 
BScCollateral said:
It's not that simple. My mother has trouble remembering my middle name, sometimes calls me my nephew's name, and immediately recognized the grounds of the 1964 World's Fair and could point out and name individual buildings from a picture I took out the window of an airliner.
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True, I'm definitely painting with some broad strokes as far as how it manifests itself. That said, I've never seen anything from barb that looks like dementia. Depression, sure. I mean of course she's depressed. Look at her life. That's why with respect to people actually suffering from it, and their families, I think it's important to not give her that diagnoses.

Not to mention, there's people around here with regular personal contact with Chris and to a degree barb, and they've never said anything about her losing her faculties.
 
There's more than one way to lose your faculties... dementia, alzheimer's, stroke, chronic alcoholism, mental problems. It could be any of these or a combination, I don't know. But it's clear that she slid a long way downhill in about four or five years. I honestly can't see her faking the weight loss and fallen facial features just for the camera. I'm sure she has lucid days and zombie days. Chris probably tends to actively exploit her for begging videos on her less lucid ones. As for balancing multiple bank books, I think they're living check to check and haven't done any math since Bob died. I don't think she's driving much either. She may still have a driver's license and entertains the idea that she can still drive, but I bet Chris does all her errands for her to keep her from getting behind the wheel.

I also think that "not talking about Barb's problems" is a tradition that goes back many years in the Chandler household. It's a subject where Chris just says, "Oh she's fine" and changes the subject when it comes up. I don't think any of these people are really close to Chris. Not close enough to see Barb on a regular basis, that's for sure.
 
bigshot said:
But it's clear that she slid a long way downhill in about four or five years. I honestly can't see her faking the weight loss and fallen facial features just for the camera.
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In regards to the weight loss, she lots a bunch of weight shortly after Bob died and has been mostly static since then. The facial features came later. I don't believe they're related.
 
Mason Verger said:
I'll grant you that barb probably isn't as sharp as she used to be, but I don't think she's as bad as she's pretends to be in some videos.

She can keep track of things just fine, people with dementia don't balance multiple bank accounts, she does. She said so in a video("buy dog food tomorrow, use the other card"). I remember in a recent vid, Chris didn't know the date for a certificate of authenticity, so barb, quick as whip, took out her phone and read it off to him. People with dementia don't know what decade it is. Not to mention that she still drives, and as far as we know hasn't gotten pulled over. People with dementia don't drive. Or they do once then get their license taken away because they're driving through a field looking for their old high school. Plus she's a 70+ shut in, of course she looks like shit.

You gotta pay attention to the little tells when it comes to barb.
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So if one were to ask: "What would Bob think of Chris now" would she give a concise answer?
 
A lot of this debate over Barb’s senility can get kind of pointless. “People who have dementia don’t remember X”. From my (admittedly limited) understanding, aren’t the things that people with the disease forget totally random and subject to the individual experience? Like, couldn’t someone with dementia potentially remember that their car needs to be serviced, while forgetting things like people’s names, birthdays, their own social security number, etc.? Or, am I wrong?
 
BScCollateral said:
In my experience, you are absolutely correct.

Of course, Barb can still be malingering. Deception is almost impossible to rule out, unless you're a doctor and she's your patient, and sometimes not even then.
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I think a lot of our views on barb being a grifter comes from what little we know about how she conducts herself and from the fact that it makes it more palatable for us to dislike her.

That said, there are seemingly enough people involved with the chandlers on a personal level that if barb really was slipping into dementia they would try and step in. I mean, an autistic proned to delusion caring for a Alzheimer's patient isn't exactly an ideal situation. Anna, rocky or a concerned neaghbor would've put up some kind of flag by now. The chandlers, while slightly reclusive, don't live in a bubble. As far as i know, the only diagnosis we have for dementia is some creepy blank stares, and theres way more evidence against dementia than for. Its entirely likely barb is just loopy from chipping Chris's meds and being unsocial for nearly a decade.

Besides, Chris would've made some sort of mention of it by now, even accidentally.
 
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