Containment What will happen when Barb dies?

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RJ MacReady said:
I think Chris isn't as attached to Virginia as he used to be and his standards for a home are low enough that he'd have some flexibility moving closer to (or into) a major city, even out of state. Really the barrier for him is money, effort and Barb but once she's gone two of those things won't be a problem.
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I think he'd survive moving somewhere else, and maybe even do better in the long run. I just don't see him doing it voluntarily.
 
RJ MacReady said:
I think Chris isn't as attached to Virginia as he used to be and his standards for a home are low enough that he'd have some flexibility moving closer to (or into) a major city, even out of state. Really the barrier for him is money, effort and Barb but once she's gone two of those things won't be a problem.
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When you're just a state or two away from Australia, it gives you options.
 
AnOminous said:
I think he'd survive moving somewhere else, and maybe even do better in the long run. I just don't see him doing it voluntarily.
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I think it'll be a mix of financial pressure from dealing with 14BC and external help that convinces him to move. I don't think he's capable of picking an apartment by himself so where he ends up will probably be determined by having people and things that attract him somewhere. If Chris made IRL friends in a specific city he'd be much more likely to move there, and he's certainly outgoing enough these days to meet all kinds of random people.

I mean fuck, I wouldn't even put Baltimore out of the question just because of MAGFest and Bronycon.
 
RJ MacReady said:
I think Chris isn't as attached to Virginia as he used to be and his standards for a home are low enough that he'd have some flexibility moving closer to (or into) a major city, even out of state. Really the barrier for him is money, effort and Barb but once she's gone two of those things won't be a problem.
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AnOminous said:
I think he'd survive moving somewhere else, and maybe even do better in the long run. I just don't see him doing it voluntarily.
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I think the idea of moving is scary to Chris for more logistical reasons than autism reasons. That is to say, he's got pretty valid fears of stretching his money during a transition, and maybe getting evicted somewhere and the whole thing just going to shit.

I'm sure he's a little autistically attached to the status quo, but I also would say that he's really itching to leave all of the garbage and Barb nonsense and the dogs behind and live his life. Bronycon and magfest were both examples of that. It's kinda like when he first realized he wanted a girlfriend and then he dove headlong into his lovequest. It just flipped a switch in him.

He's got a desire to leave that he's not always expressing publicly.

I think if someone enthusiastically offered to help Chris move and promise him he won't be homeless and all that stuff, I think he'd be very excited about it.

(Of course, the high of the big change would fade away as he settles into his new life. I don't know how he'd react to that.)
 
RJ MacReady said:
I mean fuck, I wouldn't even put Baltimore out of the question just because of MAGFest and Bronycon.
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Baltimore has some seriously dangerous areas. I wouldn't want to see him there. He should probably live somewhere close enough he can go to the kind of places he might go once or twice a year, though.
 
Marvin said:
I think if someone enthusiastically offered to help Chris move and promise him he won't be homeless and all that stuff, I think he'd be very excited about it.
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If he becomes vocal about wanting to move I feel like he'll run into people who'll influence him one direction or the other before long. For example it wouldn't be hard for him to connect with nearby LGBT communities willing to help him.

AnOminous said:
Baltimore has some seriously dangerous areas. I wouldn't want to see him there. He should probably live somewhere close enough he can go to the kind of places he might go once or twice a year, though.
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By Baltimore I mean any suburb in driving distance, not necessarily the city proper. I mentioned his tolerance for a low standard of living because it'd make him easier to settle into a safe but shitty apartment.
 
Marvin said:
He tried to clean up portions of it before, but Barb threatened suicide.
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Wow! Ok, really!? How much of a sick bitch that hag can be? Did she use herself as hostage in any other occasion?

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Marvin said:
Barb's still alive.

Edit: Well, and more specifically, any tampering with Barb's living situation causes her to lose her shit and threaten suicide. Whether that's messing with the hoard or him traveling too far from her
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Sorry, didn't read that bit from the previous page.

Broseph said:
If Chris really didn't like living in that over-cluttered shithole, then he would've already moved out of 14BC ages ago.
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I don't think it's that easy. I had relatives die of very old age and once they pass certain threshold of dependency, it's hard to just leave. In that particular regard, I understand Chris. Barb made sure to create a co-dependant relationship with his autistic son so she can die with someone looking over her.
 
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Marvin said:
Barb's still alive.

Edit: Well, and more specifically, any tampering with Barb's living situation causes her to lose her shit and threaten suicide. Whether that's messing with the hoard or him traveling too far from her.
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Barb is abusive and she feels threatened by Chris' independence because she needs him, I read somewhere in this thread that Barb has borrowed against his life insurance and used his credit cards to pay off hers (I might be misquoting that user though) she isn't responsible with money and therefore she uses Chris as her personal ATM.
She's manipulated him and made Chris dependent on her so she can continue looking out for her self-serving interests.

I'm not 100% sure on this but I don't think Chris is there by choice. Barb keeps him there by guilt tripping Chris and threatening suicide so she can kick him around some more and stick her hand in his pocket.
 
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Pepito said:
Wow! Ok, really!? How much of a sick bitch that hag can be? Did she used herself as hostage in any other occasion?
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Yes. She did the same when Bob tried to clean up the hoard.

That's why he died eaten by bugs while she did nothing.
 
Pepito said:
Wow! Ok, really!? How much of a sick bitch that hag can be? Did she used herself as hostage in any other occasion?
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She goes into hysterics whenever something starts to seriously threaten her interests (or the interests of the Hoard... it speaks to her...).

When Chris started the tranny shit, she flipped out, accusing Chris of plotting to kill her, and flipflopped and said she was going to kill herself. She's batshit and all over the place.

Both Bob and Chris have complained about the hoard and tried to pick it apart at various times. But like I said, she chimped out and strangled that project in the crib.
Plasmid Salamander said:
Barb is abusive and she feels threatened by Chris' independence because she needs him, I read somewhere in this thread that Barb has borrowed against his life insurance and used his credit cards to pay off hers (I might be misquoting that user though) she isn't responsible with money and therefore she uses Chris as personal ATM.
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Oh definitely.

In regards to Chris' credit cards: what happened was Chris got an extension on one of his credit cards. He got about $600. He spent a bit of it on toys, and then complained when Barb used the rest to pay off her her debts. Chris complained publicly somewhere that she paid more than the minimum payments.

People made fun of Chris for complaining that Barb was being "responsible" for paying more than the minimums, but no one noticed the crucial detail that she was being responsible... with someone else's money.

She was, in effect, moving her debt onto Chris, so she can leave a pristine, debt-free corpse, I guess. (Or most likely, just free up just enough credit to contribute to the hoard a little more.)
Plasmid Salamander said:
She's manipulated him and made Chris dependent on her so she can continue looking out for her self-serving interests.
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Yeah. I think a generous interpretation of Barb is that, while she cares for Chris, she also doesn't see Chris as a full adult/human being. He's more like a pet to her.

She cares about her pets, of course. But if it comes down to her survival or her pets' survival, obviously her survival is more important.
Plasmid Salamander said:
I'm not 100% sure on this but I don't think Chris is there by choice. Barb keeps him there by guilt tripping Chris and threatening suicide so she can kick him around some more and stick her hand in his pocket.
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Pretty much. They're codependent.

I would say that most of the time, Barb and Chris are pretty happy together. But when Chris tries to show some independence, Barb chimps out and guilts him about it. He feels bad, feels like it's his fault, and comes back and apologizes. And then they cuddle some more.

I think Chris is getting more independent nowadays though because Barb doesn't have the fight in her to screech at him like she used to. It's been that way for awhile. Chris has basically been running the house for awhile and he hasn't realized it, because of a residual fear of Barb.

Magfest is a great example. I've been trying to get various troll sweethearts to get Chris to go to magfest for years. One time Chris even bought a badge, but Barb flipped out and told him he couldn't go, like last minute. (Note: she had a good reason though, Chris was planning on sleeping in his car.) I was at least hoping the "no refunds allowed" policy that magfest has would mean he's out $80.

But nope, Barb chimped at the magfest organizers, threw the autism card around and got a refund regardless.

This time, Chris grew a spine, told Barb he was going, and went and had a great time. Barb doesn't have the fight in her anymore.
 
Marvin said:
This time, Chris grew a spine, told Barb he was going, and went and had a great time. Barb doesn't have the fight in her anymore.
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That probably means she'll die soon. An evil bitch like that running clean out of evil usually means she doesn't have much time.
 
AnOminous said:
That probably means she'll die soon. An evil bitch like that running clean out of evil usually means she doesn't have much time.
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I respectfully disagree.

She'll probably get really ancient and develop dementia. She'll lose control of her anger easily and she'll take the frustration out on the orderlies. She'll probably become a real burden to people who don't deserve it and make a few more people miserable before she dies.
 
Plasmid Salamander said:
I respectfully disagree.

She'll probably get really ancient and develop dementia. She'll lose control of her anger easily and she'll take the frustration out on the orderlies. She'll probably become a real burden to people who don't deserve it and make a few more people miserable before she dies.
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That would imply she would be sent to a nursing home, which is most likely not the case; unless there is a version of a nursing home that exists specifically for debt ridden and low income individuals. From my very limited realm of knowledge on the matter, my assumption that the only version of that which exists is either section 8 apartment with state sponsored caretaker (who only drops by once a week for about 30 minutes) or the adult psychiatric ward of a local hospital. Unless you mean hospice, which is semi understandable, but here's a question for you and for others to answer.
"Would Chris really send Barb to hospice if Barb was soon to die, or would he let Barb die in the house?"
secondary question: "Would Barb really allow Chris to send her to hospice, even if she was soon to death?"
 
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