What does surrogacy say about us? - We are putting the interests of adults above those of children - Femoid seethes as the logical conclusions of her ideology come to bite her in the ass.

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By Helen Gibson Article Archive

Many readers will have seen that surrogacy clip which went viral on Twitter this week. A man, complete with false nails and hair in pigtails, having a newborn baby handed to him, ostensibly for the bonding process of “skin to skin”; a process usually reserved for the baby and their mother, in order to calm the baby after delivery, stimulate her milk production, and encourage the expulsion of the placenta. The baby in the aforementioned clip was distressed, and shuddering. As the man, apparently the father, held the baby, she started to scream. Not the cries of a hungry newborn, but the screams of a desperate infant.

For the tens of thousands who have seen the footage, the majority of us, I think I can safely claim, felt sickened to our core. For here is surrogacy in all its raw truth. A baby is born, and handed away from the mother it knows and wants, and to hell with the consequences. Whether you’re a mother or not, most people who see such footage will have a visceral reaction.

Of course, the optics of this particular case put the situation even more clearly: a man, cosplaying as a woman, able to design and commission a baby in order to validate his lifestyle choices; with no thought for the impact on the newborn child, desperately flailing and wanting her mother. This particular situation jarred with so many because it so obviously sits at the centre of the Venn diagram between surrogacy and gender ideology, with all the latter’s negatives for women and children already understood by most of the viewers of the clip.

Outside of feminist Twitter, many people have never given surrogacy any thought at all; but this is what it is. This is what it looks like. Newborns handed away at birth, with no thought given to their needs or welfare, or who the commissioning parent might be. No follow up by any agency, clinic or social services after delivery. No tracking of the child or idea of where they end up living, or what happens to them. In many US states the baby buyers gain parental rights at birth and the baby removed, often abroad; the mother simply seen as a vessel, in all but name, with no rights to the child or recourse if she changes her mind. If the Law Commission of England and Wales, with the Scottish Law Commission, gets their way, it’s where we’ll be headed in the UK, with oversight and granting of Parental Orders by the Family Court stripped away for surrogacy “teams” proceeding on a new Pathway.

And surrogacy can be far darker even than this video suggests. In March, a Chicago veterinarian was charged on suspicion of distributing child sexual abuse images, just days before he was due to fly to California and collect his son, who was born to a surrogate mother. The child is, as I currently understand it, living with the arrested man’s husband and in-laws. Three weeks ago, the anti-trafficking charity Unseen declared the first cases of forced surrogacy in the UK being reported to their modern slavery helpline in 2023. Meanwhile, we have seen a post which shows a pregnant surrogate mother expressing concern at never having met the commissioning (single) father of the child she is carrying, even online. “I’ve been informed the parent has hired someone to come pick up surro baby after delivery to take him back home(china). Idk how to feel, I would have thought the IP would be more involved…I Guess i just would have thought he’d want to at least be there for the birth:/”.

And for a very English spin on things, in April the multi-millionaire British socialite Alice Naylor-Leyland had her fourth child, born to a surrogate mother in the US. “I’m aware it was greedy to have this burning desire to complete our Family, but due to too many complications, setbacks and miscarriages & then being told I was no longer able to carry, we decided to venture down the world of Surrogacy”. Naylor-Leyland was already a mother of three but decided to outsource the risk of “complications and miscarriages” to another woman instead, in order to fulfil her dream of a fourth baby.

Surrogacy only exists to satisfy the desires of adults, and to hell with the consequences for women and children. The numbers have ballooned around the world since the first cases of surrogacy in the 1980s. Tens of thousands of children have been born through “gestational surrogacy” in the US alone; the industry is worth billions. Thailand, which banned international commercial surrogacy in 2015, has recently announced it is to lift its ban on the practice; meaning within the next few years we will see Thailand become the main surrogacy hub for south-east Asia, with women undoubtedly being trafficked in to, and within, the country in their hundreds, if not more, to meet the new demand.

Surrogacy is growing, just as social media is helping more people come to understand precisely what the practice is, and what it means. Seeing babies taken off their mothers so freely is so shocking that most people who witness photographs and videos which show surrogacy happening can’t believe it is legal. As I have written about previously in The Critic, the women involved in surrogacy are groomed by the industry in to not realising they are the mothers of their own children, even in cases where they use their own egg; believing the lies peddled to them by a rapacious industry, that they are doing something “kind” and “beautiful”. A mother is the primary safeguarder of her child; if the mother in the case of surrogacy doesn’t believe herself to be so, who is acting to keep the child safe? Certainly not the agencies, who are incentivised by both money and an apparent evangelical commitment to the ‘miracle’ of surrogacy.

The test for whether or not surrogacy is acceptable to its supporters seems to be “she consented”. That old chestnut, which allows so many despicable practices to flourish, while those who might be expected to be tasked with thinking about them shrug and are relieved of the intellectual burden of doing so.

And is it true consent if it is bought? Is it true consent if she doesn’t understand she is the mother, even when her own egg is not used? It certainly can’t be construed as consent in cases where the woman is coerced, pressured by family, or, as in one case we saw, offered up for surrogacy by her own husband, without her prior knowledge.

It is extraordinary to consider, that in this time of hyper awareness of social injustice, when every perceived slight or misdemeanour can be considered a cancel-worthy offence, that so many think nothing of the process of commissioning a baby to order: anonymous eggs harvested from a twenty-something woman and chosen from a catalogue, surrogate mothers matched with strangers by agencies, and ditched when they have one too many miscarriages. That so many think so little of women and children says so much about our society. None of it good.
 
Does or should a woman have bodily autonomy? Is such a belief not a prerequisite for being a feminist?

I don't think being anti-surrogacy and pro-bodily autonomy is automatically hypocritical. From what I know the objection to it has more to do with the fact that most surrogates doing it for the money are desperately poor, possibly from shithole countries where their ability to make a living on their own is limited, and that it could be argued it isn't really autonomy if a woman is essentially forced into it as a result of financial desperation. If surrogacy only ever happened in cases like, let's say, a close relative carries a baby for a woman with some kind of medical issue preventing her from doing so, purely of her own free will and without any financial compensation for doing so, I don't think they'd have as much of a problem with it. In reality that's not usually how it goes, of course. The real hypocrisy is that this doesn't jive with the current-year feminist idea that sex work is great and empowering, which is the point when feminism really went full retard.
 
Many readers will have seen that surrogacy clip which went viral on Twitter this week. A man, complete with false nails and hair in pigtails, having a newborn baby handed to him, ostensibly for the bonding process of “skin to skin”; a process usually reserved for the baby and their mother, in order to calm the baby after delivery, stimulate her milk production, and encourage the expulsion of the placenta. The baby in the aforementioned clip was distressed, and shuddering. As the man, apparently the father, held the baby, she started to scream. Not the cries of a hungry newborn, but the screams of a desperate infant.
Does anybody have this video?
 
Most of the outrage over surrogacy is from people disgusted a woman isn't going to be involved in the upbringing, even though they'd be fairly comfortable with a woman raising a child alone.

It's because they really do want women to suffer. Single moms have to work twice as hard to raise their kids, and that's a good thing to them. These surrogates bother them so much because they have found a way to monetize being female without being in some reviled industry, like porn, and these maudlin screeds are a way to frame surrogacy as being immoral while, as a bonus, also saddling women with children who don't belong to them and who they don't want.
 
The baby in the aforementioned clip was distressed, and shuddering.
This is as far as I could get before rage quitting, holy shit. Add a hat to my hat collection.

I actually think she is right. Parents are really. The ONLY barrier between kids and exploitation. That doesn’t mean your stats aren’t right either - they’re also a source of abuse, but stepparents alone are a source of threat to kids and if you’ve seen any of Larry David’s threads you’ll see there’s a pattern of gay males acquiring babies for abuse
Put aside the ‘serves wimmin right’ stuff. Women are adults, the victims here are the children.
What surrogacy does is create a child as a buyable commodity. It creates a child with no present biological parents and those biological parents are the ones most likely to have a proper bond with the kid.
When you’re in a situation where surrogacy is legal, you have a whole framework around it that enables buying of children : the ability to put someone not the real mother or father on the brith certificate. The ability to commission a child and buy it. The weakening or destruction ruin of the idea of parental rights (which aren’t property rights like progs screech, they’re a two way street to protect the kid.)
Surrogacy is the wedge strategy to create parentless children with nobody who’d die to protect them, that can be bought and sold legally. THAT is the issue.
This just mad me more angry. Thank you for putting it in to words.

I don't think this is something that can be gotten rid of, but maybe it can be limited to married couples and require one side to be biological.
And include the other person on the birth certificate. But I guess sometimes facts do care about your feelings. When it comes to buying your child, and starting their entire life off a lie anyway.
 
A baby is born, and handed away from the mother it knows and wants, and to hell with the consequences. Whether you’re a mother or not, most people who see such footage will have a visceral reaction.
Why would I?

The idea that women have some mystical connection to their offspring is rooted in agrarian cisheteropatriarchal oppressive norms.
Surrogacy only exists to satisfy the desires of adults, and to hell with the consequences for women and children.
I like the tacit implication that women are not adults.
The test for whether or not surrogacy is acceptable to its supporters seems to be “she consented”. That old chestnut, which allows so many despicable practices to flourish
She did not 'consent.' She 'negotiated', 'agreed', and was 'compensated' in exchange for services rendered.
And is it true consent if it is bought?
Yes, dear. We call that a contract.
That so many think so little of women and children says so much about our society.
Why should a 'society' that has reduced men to purely economic units give any more of a shit about women or children?

There is a sound argument against surrogacy (perilously close to selling another human being for profit) and there is a sound argument for surrogacy (adoption with an extra step); this sniveling feminist handwringing about the 'sanctity' of women and children isn't it.
 
The horrorshows from surrogacy haven't even begun. These contracts have become far more popular and there's no reason immoral people today wouldn't pay the same for a slave today as they would two centuries ago.

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Amazing isn't it? Along with ensuring there will be children who grow up all fucked up from not having a complete families, letting troons into their private spaces to do unmentionable things, feminists have also unintentionally re-introduced slavery in the West. (Though in this case, its literally using coom from a faggot to create a kid, faggot claims it)

Our dear Feeder was right when this troon shit would create an entire generation of Jack the Rippers. I'm certain its gonna be much worse when there's an entire generation of kids raised by rich faggots and faggots in general.

Clownworld hasn't even begun yet.
 
I hate to "be that guy" but I wonder is if this would somehow be made better or worse for PR if it didn't involve IVF tech - I.E. two gay men pay for a woman to get impregnated the old fashioned way by one of them. I think for a lot of people the fact that it's all done with lab utensils makes it sound a lot more future-ey and thus less disgusting.
I don't think being anti-surrogacy and pro-bodily autonomy is automatically hypocritical.
Well, no, but the problem is that the obvious answer cannot leave the sacred pillar of abortion """rights""" inviolate. Unborn children are still children, it's the interest of the welfare for a child actual or hypothetical that is to be considered in the topic of surrogacy.

Or put another way it's the bodily autonomy of the kid. Selling a kid is no different than selling a human even if they haven't been born yet... but that establishes the logic that would explode the heads of the same retards who pushed the overton window far enough that these conversations even need to be had in the first place.
 
I hate to "be that guy" but I wonder is if this would somehow be made better or worse for PR if it didn't involve IVF tech - I.E. two gay men pay for a woman to get impregnated the old fashioned way by one of them. I think for a lot of people the fact that it's all done with lab utensils makes it sound a lot more future-ey and thus less disgusting.

I wouldn't change anything for me. It's a baby like any other. I wouldn't think anything negative or different about a straight couple or their kids if they had to have some futurstic assistance. Regardless of how baby was formed, the handoff like we saw on video and what we know comes next are what makes me want to boot up the minecraft server.
 
I hate to "be that guy" but I wonder is if this would somehow be made better or worse for PR if it didn't involve IVF tech - I.E. two gay men pay for a woman to get impregnated the old fashioned way by one of them. I think for a lot of people the fact that it's all done with lab utensils makes it sound a lot more future-ey and thus less disgusting.
The reason they prefer to use IVF is so they can take a donor egg from one woman and stick the embryo in another woman. In some places the surrogate mother can have the right to change her mind about handing her baby over, these rights can be reduced or removed if the child she carried and gave birth to is genetically unrelated to her.

By the way, the use of donor eggs is itself a risk factor for worse health outcomes.
 
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