Weightlifting for Kiwis - Discussion and support regarding the art of swole

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FedPostalService said:
Anyone take N Acetyl L Cysteine powder? Everything I’m reading about it seems too good to be true? Especially given you only need to take one gram a day and can pick up one hundred grams really cheap?

Is it just retards spazzing at the placebo effect or is it worth add this to my shaker (even though it’s meant to taste terrible?)
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I picked some up today, I'll let you know if I live.
 
Glowie said:
Chinese manufacturers are untrustworthy, but no-one else makes them.
Made in China training equipment are crap and dangerous to your health.
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I purchased a super cheap chest expander that used metal clips to hold the springs. I actually pulled the damn thing so far apart one of the clips failed and popped the spring straight into my chest.

Luckily I didn't get hit in the eye.
 
JoseRaulChupacabra said:
I purchased a super cheap chest expander that used metal clips to hold the springs. I actually pulled the damn thing so far apart one of the clips failed and popped the spring straight into my chest.

Luckily I didn't get hit in the eye.
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You get what you pay for, brother. You're better off making your own chest expanders with power tools, metal bars, springs and rubber for grips. Depends if you're on if you're urbanite or not you could consider weighted clothes with basics stretches.

I'm going to try Chinese "robot glove" and come back if the li-ion battery blows my hand off. I'll report back how it goes
 
Sumptinsfuckey said:
I'm curious. Is anyone here on TRT? Or "TRT+"?
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I was at one point but I started having some health issues and got spooked. It was probably unrelated, but I've developed the opinion that it's best to avoid pharmacological or exogenous intervention unless you have a good reason. The human body and especially the endocrine system is complex and multifaceted and above all homeostatic; it's not structured like an engine or a circuit or a series of tubes, it's a black box, and we've observed outcomes from inputs and convinced ourselves we know how it works, but the myriad of complications and contradictions and contraindications have shown that to be hubristic.

You are the CEO of your body. You will never understand any given system intimately enough to manage it yourself, let alone all of them, and that's fine, that's not your job. Your body knows how to manage itself, it has had millions of years to develop and iterate and improve upon that. Your job is to allow it to do that, and respond to its demands and give it what it needs to keep operating smoothly. As a general rule, that's going to mean things that weren't invented in the last century.

Eat right, sleep right, lift, eliminate visceral fat, quit blasting ropes to zog porn. Ensure that you're getting enough test precursors -- DHEA, zinc, etc. Avoid endocrine disruptors. If your body still won't do its job, then you can pin test. Or do it now, I'm not your fucking dad.
 
dick brain said:
I was at one point but I started having some health issues and got spooked. It was probably unrelated, but I've developed the opinion that it's best to avoid pharmacological or exogenous intervention unless you have a good reason. The human body and especially the endocrine system is complex and multifaceted and above all homeostatic; it's not structured like an engine or a circuit or a series of tubes, it's a black box, and we've observed outcomes from inputs and convinced ourselves we know how it works, but the myriad of complications and contradictions and contraindications have shown that to be hubristic.

You are the CEO of your body. You will never understand any given system intimately enough to manage it yourself, let alone all of them, and that's fine, that's not your job. Your body knows how to manage itself, it has had millions of years to develop and iterate and improve upon that. Your job is to allow it to do that, and respond to its demands and give it what it needs to keep operating smoothly. As a general rule, that's going to mean things that weren't invented in the last century.

Eat right, sleep right, lift, eliminate visceral fat, quit blasting ropes to zog porn. Ensure that you're getting enough test precursors -- DHEA, zinc, etc. Avoid endocrine disruptors. If your body still won't do its job, then you can pin test. Or do it now, I'm not your fucking dad.
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I'm 47 and was prescribed TRT for reasons unrelated to lifting. 200 mg test cypionate per week. I'm just curious how much of an effect it will actually have in terms of gaining muscle/strength.
 
Glowie said:
Dumping exercise videos for for forearm training.
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This is a fantastic post. I started doing a couple forearm exercises during upper body days a month or two ago and am noticing my forearms looking bigger already.

Sumptinsfuckey said:
I'm 47 and was prescribed TRT for reasons unrelated to lifting. 200 mg test cypionate per week. I'm just curious how much of an effect it will actually have in terms of gaining muscle/strength.
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An older male family member got on it in the last few years because his testosterone was incredibly low. It gave him a second wind on life. He had some health scares before getting on it and I genuinely thought he was going to die in a few years. Now he's doing much better. His muscles haven't jumped up, but he does have energy and seems alive again so there's that.
 
The Bogwater Rises said:
An older male family member got on it in the last few years because his testosterone was incredibly low. It gave him a second wind on life. He had some health scares before getting on it and I genuinely thought he was going to die in a few years. Now he's doing much better. His muscles haven't jumped up, but he does have energy and seems alive again so there's that.
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I was diagnosed with chronic fatigue, and although my T levels weren't super low the doc reccommended it as a therapy. Im technically still at 140mg per week, though it will ramp up to 200mg per week over the next several. And yeah, the difference in terms of energy levels and even quality of sleep is major.
 
natty life, if you take TRT and you're under 50 you're a dirty roider and you're gonna turn into Mike Israetel (meat cube person).
 
What non-roidhead supplements would people recommend? I’m pretty much just taking creatine and multivitamins but I am getting old.

Going to try some NAC as my lungs haven’t been the same since a really bad case of covid.

I’ve not touched protein powder as I’m a decent cook and would just use it as a cope to eat more meat but I might start after I’ve got rid of a beer belly.
 
I'm just happily content with multivitamin/creatine/whey concentrate. Everything else is too tenuous+expensive to consider. If you're going to take roids you basically have body dysmorphia. At a certain point you can't realistically get stronger. The ancient Greek story of Milo isn't real, a person cannot carry an ox on his back. But you can still be stronger than 99% of people.

It's nice that roids are largely not a thing in calisthenics. The only real accusation I see floating around is against Ian Barseagle whose entire gimmick is being "Mr. 188cm / 95kg" in a "sport" dominated by people under 170cm. Despite being very strong in absolute terms, specializing in weighted pull ups, he cannot do advance skills like a clean full planche, he's just too tall.
 
CrunkLord420 said:
I'm just happily content with multivitamin/creatine/whey concentrate. Everything else is too tenuous+expensive to consider. If you're going to take roids you basically have body dysmorphia. At a certain point you can't realistically get stronger. The ancient Greek story of Milo isn't real, a person cannot carry an ox on his back. But you can still be stronger than 99% of people.

It's nice that roids are largely not a thing in calisthenics. The only real accusation I see floating around is against Ian Barseagle whose entire gimmick is being "Mr. 188cm / 95kg" in a "sport" dominated by people under 170cm. Despite being very strong in absolute terms, specializing in weighted pull ups, he cannot do advance skills like a clean full planche, he's just too tall.
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Thanks! I often forget that “eat well, move more, lift heavy things, have a good sleep” is pretty much all there is to it.

The internet is full of angry roiders trying to sell you bathroom brews like trannies or science autists trying to sell you weird “optimal” training plans that are just pure Reddit nonsense.
 
FedPostalService said:
Thanks! I often forget that “eat well, move more, lift heavy things, have a good sleep” is pretty much all there is to it.
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Absolutely mogging us niggas with lifelong sleep disorders, stretching back to our very earliest memories in life

Drugs are cool, use them if you want. But don't use drugs if you're insecure, want to change how you look so others will think better of you, etc.... That type of mentality encourages reckless use. Use them because they're dope as shit, and and pharmacology is one of the branches of science that's basically just straight up real life fucking magic. The other branches being chemistry and computer science, off the top of my head.
 
FedPostalService said:
What non-roidhead supplements would people recommend? I’m pretty much just taking creatine and multivitamins but I am getting old.

Going to try some NAC as my lungs haven’t been the same since a really bad case of covid.

I’ve not touched protein powder as I’m a decent cook and would just use it as a cope to eat more meat but I might start after I’ve got rid of a beer belly.
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I take Multi + fish oil + vit d + collagen/biotin/keratin + vit a/ala + ashwaganda + l theanine + NAC + creatine + protein + fiber.


Fish oil has omega 3s which are anti inflammatory, you basically can't get too much of. Also has DHEA which is a test precursor, iirc most men over 30 are DHEA deficient.

Vit D is another one you basically can't get too much of, practically everyone is deficient unless you work outdoors. Measurable effect on mood in a lot of people.

Collagen/biotin/keratin for hair and skin. Started taking it when a girl I was seeing got autistic about skincare, got a bunch of compliments so I keep taking it, idk.

Vit A + ALA is just me trying to get my sense of smell+taste back after the wu flu.

Ashwaganda + l theanine for anxiety/ptsd. Not sure the ashwaganda does anything but the theanine definitely helps. Don't think I'm supposed to take it every day but I do.

NAC I just started, not sure it's doing anything.

Creatine is a no brainer.

Protein, there's a lot of bro science about your body not being able to metabolize more than 30g or other retarded shit like that, but according to Alan Aragon the benefits in trained subjects continue to scale all the way up to like 4g/kg or something crazy like that, so I just get as much as I can.

Fiber, I heard somebody (maybe Peter Atia?) say that fiber intake is one of the most strongly correlated factors to longevity and general health/all cause mortality. So I add a scoop to my shake.

When I fast, I take EAAs to give my body some phenylalanine and tryptophan to work with. I'm not really sure what the difference is between EAAs and protein (isn't complete protein just EAAs?) but whatever, I found a blend that's heavy on phenylalanine and tryptophan and it doesn't seem to break my fasts so it's good enough. I also supplement apple cider vinegar and cranberry extract for urinary tract health, and magnesium glycinate, and sodium and potassium. But that's all specific to fasting.

In other words, a bunch of stuff for general health rather than anything specific to lifting. I used to take rodeo rhodesia or whatever for recovery but idk if it did anything, I kinda just forgot about it.
 
dick brain said:
I was at one point but I started having some health issues and got spooked. It was probably unrelated, but I've developed the opinion that it's best to avoid pharmacological or exogenous intervention unless you have a good reason. The human body and especially the endocrine system is complex and multifaceted and above all homeostatic; it's not structured like an engine or a circuit or a series of tubes, it's a black box, and we've observed outcomes from inputs and convinced ourselves we know how it works, but the myriad of complications and contradictions and contraindications have shown that to be hubristic.

You are the CEO of your body. You will never understand any given system intimately enough to manage it yourself, let alone all of them, and that's fine, that's not your job. Your body knows how to manage itself, it has had millions of years to develop and iterate and improve upon that. Your job is to allow it to do that, and respond to its demands and give it what it needs to keep operating smoothly. As a general rule, that's going to mean things that weren't invented in the last century.

Eat right, sleep right, lift, eliminate visceral fat, quit blasting ropes to zog porn. Ensure that you're getting enough test precursors -- DHEA, zinc, etc. Avoid endocrine disruptors. If your body still won't do its job, then you can pin test. Or do it now, I'm not your fucking dad.
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I've done gear, and straight up it was really retarded and I do not recommend it to anyone. Medical, as in an actual doctor not a bs doctor, intervention is a different thing but guys just don't bother if you don't need to.
I didn't do a lot (by bodybuilding standards), my highest dose of weekly T was 300mg and some preworkout orals. I didn't cycle, just trt++ until I gave it up years and years ago. I didn't like the person I was on it, they absolutely effect your mind and personality don't buy the propaganda, and really it made the rest of my life worse save the gym. In the gym I felt like a glistening golden demigod sent to Earth for the sole purpose of lifting, outside the gym I was a testily self-destructive loser with a blend of narcissism and many mental issues. I quit gear, got over the sources of my problems, and continued to train.
Luckily I didn't permanently fuck myself up, I know many who have, and really I don't regret it. It taught me a lot of things I needed to know, but they were hard lessons. I think some people need to have their time with self destruction in order to grow, but that's a whole other philosophical tangent.
 
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