Weightlifting for Kiwis - Discussion and support regarding the art of swole

[DumbDude43]

Friend of mine wants to go to the gym starting next month. I was thinking of doing it in September but since he asked then I told him okay.
The problem here is neither of us has much experience. Sure I could just go on 4chan /fit/ or Google stuff, and I am pretty sure I'd be able to cobble a decent training schedule together, but the problem is I have no confidence I would execute the exercises correctly and I would for sure fuck up the form if uncorrected.
I don't trust the gym personnel, anyone who trusts them never changes his body at all from what I observed where I live.
What can I do in order to no fuck up? I Imagine using predominantly machines, but which ones? Basically I need spoonfeeding

the 4chan/fit/ sticky is really really good as a source of information, it contains almost everything you need to know as an amateur lifter (if you are or want to be a professional athlete or bodybuilder then you need more specialized info, same if you use steroids or other PEDs)

idk about the gym personnel in your area. i get that you don't feel like trusting them because commercial gym coaches and trainers do have a reputation for giving bullshit broscience advice. but you can still talk to them and ask them to teach you good form on whatever lifts you want to do they're usually good at that .
the problems are mostly about the kind of advice they give about nutrition, supplements, and training routines (from my experience they recommend loads of machine work rather than free weight training)

you can usually trust the gym people when it comes to teaching you how to do squat, deadlift, bench press etc with proper form. if they try to tell you about supplements or diets or weird workout routines you can just nod along, you don't have to follow their ideas on all that stuff.

 

[mars]

nuking your shoulders for a big OHP is just not worth it

I hurt my shoulder putting down a dumbell. Never hurt it while pressing. OHPs are fine and only cause problems if you don't naturally retract your shoulder blade correctly and there are tons of exercises that can take care of that.

 

[24nagging]

I hurt my shoulder putting down a dumbell. Never hurt it while pressing. OHPs are fine and only cause problems if you don't naturally retract your shoulder blade correctly and there are tons of exercises that can take care of that.

If you do the OHP often (once a week+), and heavy, it will nuke your shoulders, even if the thing that finally breaks them is not the OHP itself
Plus it's a front delt move, so why even bother? it looks cool I guess

 

[dick brain]

If you do the OHP often (once a week+), and heavy, it will nuke your shoulders, even if the thing that finally breaks them is not the OHP itself
Plus it's a front delt move, so why even bother? it looks cool I guess

You're really annoying.

 

[DumbDude43]

If you do the OHP often (once a week+), and heavy, it will nuke your shoulders, even if the thing that finally breaks them is not the OHP itself
Plus it's a front delt move, so why even bother? it looks cool I guess

99% of natural lifters will never in their lives be able to OHP so much weight that it will blow up their shoulders.
maybe if you constantly try to do singles at your absolute maximum because your ego demands stroking in the form of proving that your 1RM is constantly going up? but with regular sets i just don't see it happen a whole lot.
more likely to fuck up your back by squatting heavy (and that is a very rare occurence as well) than to blow your shoulders from OHP

 

[mars]

If you do the OHP often (once a week+), and heavy, it will nuke your shoulders, even if the thing that finally breaks them is not the OHP itself
Plus it's a front delt move, so why even bother? it looks cool I guess

No it won't. You are so afraid of moving your body. Have you tried video games? I don't think lifting is for you.

 

[Rabbi Yeshua Moon]

oh my god just shut the fuck up and stop giving advice

Buddy hit 600 on a hack squat once and now he’s gonna make it everyone’s problem.

 

[24nagging]

99% of natural lifters will never in their lives be able to OHP so much weight that it will blow up their shoulders.

Legalize Asbestos literally just commentated how he blew his shoulders lmao

No it won't. You are so afraid of moving your body. Have you tried video games? I don't think lifting is for you.

am afraid of injuries, like a normal person. Doing retarded moves for retarded rewards is not what lifting is about
crossfit would be the coolest stuff ever otherwise

 

[mars]

am afraid of injuries, like a normal person. Doing retarded moves for retarded rewards is not what lifting is about

Yes overhead press. One of the most staple lifts and natural human motions for literally millennia of human existence is a "retarded move". Nevermind that millions of people do it every single day. Nevermind that it's a solved problem medically. It's too scary for you. Have you considered posting on reddit? I think you'd fit in there.

 

[Anime Waifu NFT collector]

Back to the OHP debate uh?

 

[24nagging]

Nevermind that millions of people do it every single day.

yeah, construction workers lift barbells over their head at the site. It's not like actual construction and manual labor is different from strength training because they have specific adaptions for manual labor
With this mentality we should train atlas stone lifting, or better yet halterofilia because that is what most mimics blue collar work
Overhead lifting, not even the OHP, is retarded FOR HYPERTHROPHY. Your front delts get enough work doing literally any other movement

 

[mars]

yeah, construction workers lift barbells over their head at the site. It's not like actual construction and manual labor is different from strength training because they have specific adaptions for manual labor
With this mentality we should train atlas stone lifting, or better yet halterofilia because that is what most mimics blue collar work
Overhead lifting, not even the OHP, is retarded FOR HYPERTHROPHY. Your front delts get enough work doing literally any other movement

Millions of people actually lift things overhead specifically for exercise every single day.

Overhead lifting, not even the OHP, is retarded FOR HYPERTHROPHY. Your front delts get enough work doing literally any other movement

Hi believe it or not 90% of people aren't lifting specifically to min/max hypertrophy which is good since most people aren't bodybuilders. But even bodybuilders do exercises that are suboptimal because they enjoy them or for other benefits.

The OHP is safe for most people since they aren't going super heavy and/or their scapula properly retracts which keeps impingement from happening , For the minority of people who have problems with impingement and want to do heavy ohp they generally have problems with proper scapula movement which is a problem that can and should be addressed and fixed through PT movements.