Weightlifting for Kiwis - Discussion and support regarding the art of swole

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I have nothing against DLs but RDLs and/or SLDLs are the superior movements for the posterior chain. You can throw some Good Mornings in there too on occasion. People should still do some normal deadlifts once in awhile though. I deadlift my RDLs and shrugs up so I can keep my form fresh.
 
I'm a fan of the stiff-leg deadlifts. It's always been an easier movement for me than the OG deadlift. Helps that I can substitute the barbell for the dumbbell.
 
Jerk Sausage said:
oh my god just shut the fuck up and stop giving advice
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yeah, it's techincally called "fractional sets", doing pull ups doesn't directly target your biceps, but you will get big biceps from doing pull ups, depending of the exercise it could be counted as 1/3 of a set, 1/2 a set, or 3/4 of a set, for example, a chin up is around 3/4 of a set for your biceps, and lunges with dumbbells are like 1/3 of a set for your forearms. So even if something doesn't allow you to reach failure on a muscle it's still volume.
 
Anime Waifu NFT collector said:
yeah, it's techincally called "fractional sets", doing pull ups doesn't directly target your biceps, but you will get big biceps from doing pull ups, depending of the exercise it could be counted as 1/3 of a set, 1/2 a set, or 3/4 of a set, for example, a chin up is around 3/4 of a set for your biceps, and lunges with dumbbells are like 1/3 of a set for your forearms. So even if something doesn't allow you to reach failure on a muscle it's still volume.
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then that makes pullups a bad back, shoulder and arm exercise because they target no specific muscle. :)
 
Jerk Sausage said:
oh my god just shut the fuck up and stop giving advice
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no lmao
Jerk Sausage said:
then that makes pullups a bad back, shoulder and arm exercise because they target no specific muscle. :)
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no retard
Pullups recruit the back muscles in a very focalized manner, even if your biceps are involved. The biceps don't get a full rom, and the primary motion of the bicep is not to rotate the scapula or pull things to your body
The DL recruits very little of the back and bicep, very little of the quad and ham. It's a shit movement for upper and lower body development
Using Anime Waifu NFT collector's analogy, you could count them as a 1/16 set of lats, and a an 1/8 set of quads, and so forth. It's worthless if you want big legs or torso.
with this mentality of "one movement to rule them all" the snatch is a the greatest movement of all time because it recruits so many more muscles than the DL, but I hope I don't have to explain why that is retarded
Oberst says as much, and as Lyle says: "There is no everything muscle"
 
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24nagging said:
let me put it like this
X movement trains A, B, C, D and E muscles. It recruits A at 20% efficiency, B at 20%, C at 20%, D at 50% and E at 100%. Now, which muscle got the most mechanical tension? which muscle got the most stimulus? If you go at 0RIR, which muscle would grow more over time? E obviously, with A, B, C and D lagging behind
Now because X trains so many muscles it is a very fatiguing and taxing movement that limits your energy for the rest of your work out.

instead let's say that you have Y, that trains A at 80% and B at 100%, and Z that trains C and D at the same rate. Thus they allow you to train those muscles at a better recruitment rate with more energy to spare in other movements.

this is the logic behind the limitations of the DL. You have to target the muscle to make the muscle grow. The DL targets no specific muscle, which makes it a bad movement for your quads, hams, lats, calves, or biceps. If you wanna grow those muscles, you are better off training those muscles than dicking around with the DL, unless you like it and you just wanna do it. That's fine too
but my point is that it is not an efficient movement for hypertrophy. You get very little in return for a whole lot of systemic fatigue
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>wake up at 4am
>drive to the gym
>do my smith machine hip thrusts for maximal glute isolation
>do my hamstring curls -- one leg at a time to ensure balanced activation
>do my leg extensions to isolate quads
>hop on the good-girl-bad-girl machine to isolate my hip adductors
>head back over to the smith machine for some shrugs
>do my wrist curls, reverse wrist curls, and hammer curls to target my forearms
>lay down on the floor of the gym and start doing crunches to isolate my abs
>do some weighted side bends for obliques
>finish up at noon with the satisfaction of knowing that I have trained every muscle involved in the deadlift movement with optimal efficiency
>bend down to pick up my bag
>snap my shit up because I forgot to program back extensions
 
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