We All Live on 4Chan Now - Right-wing troll culture has gone mainstream, but the joke's on all of us.

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When Paul Joseph Watson, the Infowars conspiracist whose primary contribution to humanity was popularizing the term “soy boy”, declared in 2017 that “conservatism is the new counter-culture”, he was met with derision, outrage, and ridicule from folks left of center. But he wasn’t wrong. True, Donald Trump and the Republicans held power in government, thanks largely to the minoritarian quirks of the electoral college, but the political right had little sway in the culture. Every avenue of information — universities, the press, the entertainment industry, book publishing, most knowledge-producing institutions, and every major social media platform — leaned hard to the left. Despite the fact that the general public was far more moderate and politically diverse, left-wing ideas, values, and sensibilities were somehow considered mainstream, while right-wing ideas, and in some cases even centrist views, were often treated as extreme, fringe, and out of bounds. As Johan Pregmo wrote years ago in these pages, “the left won the culture war.”

That was then. Before “social justice warrior” became “woke”, and before “woke” became “DEI.” Before the cultural left peaked and the vibes shifted. Before Twitter, Meta, and TikTok pivoted to the right. Before Amazon, Disney, and a host of other major companies backed away from progressive activism. Before President Trump swept back into power — not due to the technicalities of an arcane electoral system, but while winning the popular vote. Today, conservatism — or rather, right-wing populism — isn’t the counter-culture; it’s the establishment. In 2018, Andrew Sullivan wrote that “We All Live on Campus Now.” In 2025, we all live on 4chan.

Much like its avatar Donald Trump, the new cultural status quo borrows the style of right-wing troll culture but remains without any substance. It calls itself “conservative”, but there’s no philosophical there there. There are no coherent first principles or consistently applied values. This isn’t the conservatism of Edmund Burke, or Barry Goldwater, or even Dick Cheney. It’s a conservatism of vibes. A move-fast-and-break-things conservatism. A postmodern conservatism. A conservatism of provocation, gleeful arson, and most of all, nihilism.

Its ethos, no longer confined to places like 4chan, Kiwi Farms, and other “based” shitposting communities, is that one must always be unconcerned and completely cool. If you rile up the other side to meltdown, react indignantly, or become emotional, you win. Show any emotion yourself, besides mild amusement and detached smugness, and you lose. It’s a culture in which nothing is ever a big deal because nothing is really true; in which the highest calling is milking “lolcows” and the cardinal sin cringe is being earnest. Morality is for suckers, principles are for losers, and caring about things is lame and gay. We live in a clown world, this thinking goes, where everything is so hopelessly fake, corrupt, and mad that the only thing to do is laugh. But the joke’s on you.

Over the past couple years and especially in the last six months, this culture outgrew the online far-right and went mainstream. Today, liberals, moderates, libertarians, and virtually everyone right of center casually adopt aspects of the behavior, mannerisms, memes, style, and lingo of right-wing edgelords. Social circles that were moderate or merely non-woke two years ago are now ferociously anti-woke. Writers and editors I’ve worked with — political moderates with real reputations to protect — now commonly call people “retards” or use “gay” as an insult. Trans folks are now discussed as being obviously confused or mentally ill people claiming to be something they are not. Being concerned about minority groups in general is increasingly seen as cringe. And the threshold for outrage has achieved escape velocity from Earth. Suddenly, nothing is ever a big deal.

Nothing Donald Trump or his cronies could ever say or do matters, and anyone who sees anything amiss is suffering from terminal “Trump Derangement Syndrome.” Running roughshod over constitutional checks and balances? Who cares? Threatening to invade Greenland, Panama, and Canada? He probably won’t do it, calm down. Appointing a handful of unqualified shitposters to feed government programs into a “woodchipper”? So what? Pursuing public health policy based on conspiracy theories? You’re overreacting. Elon Musk and Steve Bannon throwing textbook Sieg Heils? Lol, it was just an awkward gesture, how dumb can you be? Trump referring to himself as a “king”? Nothing to see here.

Nobody outside of the progressive left wants to be seen evincing rational emotions in reaction to anything right-of-center, however concerning, damaging, or imbecilic. We must maintain an air of maximum no-big-deal-ness at all times, lest we be thought of as libtard TDS beta cucks. Many folks appear to have absorbed these new socio-cultural cues without seeming to have consciously realized it. Just as they once curated their public behavior to suit the sensibilities or avoid the ire of the woke left, they now do the same for our new culture police on the woke right.

Naturally, as with all things that happen on the political right, these new norms are drenched in self-serving, hypocritical bullshit. While the right has exported the values of troll culture with its apparently cavalier and amoral attitude toward life, moralizing has always been integral to right-wing messaging. When it comes to the black family, the conflicts between trans and biological women, education policy, or the illiberalism of the left, this new culture can preach on their soapbox with the best of them. And don’t get them started on Christianity. They pontificate about its vastly exaggerated role in creating the modern world — an achievement they hail even while despising modernity. They dream of destroying the separation of church and state and turning America into a Christian theocracy. And they insist that only Jesus can fill the meaning-shaped hole in today’s society. It all sounds an awful lot like caring to me.

Nihilistic, cynical troll culture is miserable, depraved, and bankrupt — intellectually and morally. But being a cafeteria nihilist, where nothing matters when it comes from the political right, but the end is nigh, repent ye sinners! when it comes from the left — that’s incoherent, dishonest, and well… retarded. If that’s what you want, far be it from me to stand in the way of your Pat-Robertson-as-the-Joker cosplay. Goodness knows it’s good for business. But if, as I suspect is often the case, people find themselves adopting these new norms subconsciously, maybe it’s worth pausing to question them.

It’s okay to care — indeed, it’s the first step to doing anything worthwhile in life. It’s okay to show emotions. It’s okay to be upset. It’s okay to have principles and to be outraged at the outrageous. Don’t give into this degeneracy. Don’t succumb to (selective) nihilism. Don’t give up out of some childish concern over seeming cool in front of the new popular kids. If this pivot from one set of culture cops to another can teach us anything, it’s the virtue of thinking for ourselves and not allowing some trendy clique to dictate how we behave. For one, that clique won’t always be trendy, and obeisance to extremists and assholes never looks good in hindsight. More than that, it highlights the importance of having values beyond “I want to be liked.” If that’s all there is, there’s truly no limit to what someone might say, do, or become just to fit in. And honestly, there’s nothing cringier either.

See also:Liberal Propaganda in the Age of Post-Truth

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I'm not acknowledging an opinion of anyone who writes "4Chan" with capital C.
 
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In my personal opinion 4chan died in 2008 when Project Chanology went mainstream. That was when all the normies took over and everyone became "anonymous". There was such a noticeable shift on all the board cultures where what used to be a fun niche little site to hang out on and discuss niche topics suddenly became utterly intolerable.
You may be onto something. It wasn't until around like 2008 to 2009 that I heard anyone else talk about 4chan in reality-land.
I don't know because like I said I haven't used 4chan much. I remember when the alt-right started using Pepe as mascot. The last time I saw Pepe before I found the alt-right he was smoking dope pissing with his pants around his ankles and fucking other cartoon animals. I was completely surprised to see a bunch of far right types posting Pepe memes everywhere. Considering that Pepe was pretty fucking degenerate from the mid to late 2000's and even early 2010's.

I usually get all my video game stuff from YouTube. I have since the late 2000's.
I always thought that was odd too. Wasn't Pepe originally from some furry webcomic? I remember the "feels good man" strip that was posted around back in the day. At least to me it came off as odd and inorganic at the time.
I remember reading about the artist even having a funeral for Pepe and killing him off because he got popular with the alt-right.
It wasn't until like 2015 that I used youtube as anything other than watching old pirated shows before they cracked down on that and music. I'm weird though. Up until youtube added those sponsored content tags, it was hard to tell who was being paid to shill what.
 
I always thought that was odd too. Wasn't Pepe originally from some furry webcomic? I remember the "feels good man" strip that was posted around back in the day. At least to me it came off as odd and inorganic at the time.
I remember reading about the artist even having a funeral for Pepe and killing him off because he got popular with the alt-right.
It wasn't until like 2015 that I used youtube as anything other than watching old pirated shows before they cracked down on that and music. I'm weird though. Up until youtube added those sponsored content tags, it was hard to tell who was being paid to shill what.
It was really weird at first but I just started doing it as well because it was funny. Watching leftist fags freakout over a cartoon frog. I think the ADL or SPLC listed Pepe as a hate symbol. From what I remember Pepe was just some kind of online cartoon/comic. I don't know if it was furry considering that Pepe is a frog. The people in the alt-right said something about taking Pepe back from the normies. I had a few alt-right Pepe memes I used to post back in those years. One I remember was the Pepe dressed up like a Nazi and the little comic speech bubble said "feels good man" or something like that.

The artist was some kind of cringey lefty fag and he did kill off Pepe because he was turned into a hate symbol by ebil internet Nazis. It was all very cringey. But he couldn't stop it because the whole alt-right Pepe thing was already out there. Even the Trump MAGApede types used Pepe memes with some of them having Trump depicted as Pepe. I think I still have some of them in my meme folder. I have two to 3 of them left. I cleaned out my meme folder a few years back.

I kind of took to YouTube pretty quick as soon as I got a computer and internet capable of playing the videos which was around the late 2000's. The first thing I did was look for video game content. I remember seeing the birth of the video game genre on YouTube. All the collection videos room tours lets plays and shit like that. All the video game hipsters that caused the bubble in the used retro game market.
 
I always thought that was odd too. Wasn't Pepe originally from some furry webcomic? I remember the "feels good man" strip that was posted around back in the day. At least to me it came off as odd and inorganic at the time.

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It was a stoner humor comic called boy's club that became popular online well over a decade back. You can literally find out about it by looking up pepe in any format and have been able to do so for over a fucking decade lmao. The feels good man strip was only one of many that got posted around but it got quoted the most and edited into "feels bad man" as a reaction image.
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Eventually after pepe and the comics being a meme for a good while reddit and twitter people kinda did the "oh this is a new meme!" thing a few years after the fact and he kind of wallowed in mainstream normie meme sphere while still showing upon 4chan until 2016 happened and then it became super scary alt right nazi symbol because some autist with a pepe flag went to a hillary rally. The creator initially disavowed this and had a generally sane stance on the matter but then out of nowhere flipped and did the killing pepe thing while parroting the mainstream narrative about him being a secret nazi symbol. No I don't know why, probably money man, maybe he was on something fuck if I know. Anyways as a result there was a resurgance in pepe memes and variants that keep spreading like a benign special boy kind of cancer to this very day.

I fucking hate the eternal current year so much man. Everyones acting like fucking ignorant boomers and revising history to make everything seem scary or weird. You know about pepe getting killed by the creator and the shitshow from 2016 where the media framed him as alt right but you don't know the history that kept being brought up whenever people talked about it? damn really?

EDIT: FUCK, IT WAS 2005. THAT'S 2 DECADES NOW. FUUUUUUUCK
 
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4chan? Now? Back in the day, maybe. Maybe about fifteen fucking years ago, if that. But nobody goes on 4chan now. Now it's just all feds, talking to eachother.
 
Nothing Donald Trump or his cronies could ever say or do matters, and anyone who sees anything amiss is suffering from terminal “Trump Derangement Syndrome.” Running roughshod over constitutional checks and balances? Who cares? Threatening to invade Greenland, Panama, and Canada? He probably won’t do it, calm down. Appointing a handful of unqualified shitposters to feed government programs into a “woodchipper”? So what? Pursuing public health policy based on conspiracy theories? You’re overreacting. Elon Musk and Steve Bannon throwing textbook Sieg Heils? Lol, it was just an awkward gesture, how dumb can you be? Trump referring to himself as a “king”? Nothing to see here.
He kind of has a point here and then he goes complete soy boy cuck mode. Hard to take someone seriously when they use the 'sorta/kinda' correct arguments but use those arguments to come to completely faggy conclusions.
 
He kind of has a point here and then he goes complete soy boy cuck mode. Hard to take someone seriously when they use the 'sorta/kinda' correct arguments but use those arguments to come to completely faggy conclusions.
I've noticed the last decade with anyone politically involved in shit they tend to actively warp actually common sense sane takes into the conclusion of "AND THIS IS WHY EVERYONE THAT DOESNT VOOTE FOR OUR TEAM IS HORRIBLE AND WILL KILL YOU AND YOU ARE STUPID". Like people saying "why do you care" dismissively when stuff gets brought up is a genuine fucking growing issue with current day shit but then the examples are"OH AND ELON SEIG HEILED AND TRYUMPB CALLED HIMSELF A KIND AND AND AND..."
It's all fake and fucking gay and I hate it.
 
It's an angry rant by some rando (correctly) guessing his cultural thing is about to go from mainstream to peak cringe. He is the aging 70s guy still wearing purple velour to brown pants and an afro when everyone who matters has adopted a smart suit and tie look. Look at SJW videos from four or five years ago, the height of the BLM period. They always sucked, but if you look at them today, they are incredibly dated. They are out. Not only that, but the poster understands that him and his friends are going to be looked at as the ugly freaks they are: dysgenic, degenerate, physically and spiritually repulsive. It's brutal whiplash.

The understanding ends there, though. He doesn't get or, more likely, can't accept the resurgent right actually has a belief system, and while there are deep disagreements between different factions, the beliefs are specific and coherent. The right's agenda is simply to restore order and save Western Civilization. The author can't accept that as a moral framework or a set of first principles, since "serious people" are not supposed to think about that. It is completely outside his mental horizons. He can only think in terms of Pat Robertson type bogeymen from a bygone era that predated his. As he is defeated, he will croak, "But why?" The answer is simply "Because you tried to tear it down, and we are now stopping you from doing it."
 
Yeah, grifting exists. I am sure there are grifters on the left. But that happens IRL as well. A few Republicans that did the whole moral fag thing got busted as faggots. People on the right just need to stop looking for internet daddies.
It's not really about grifting, it's about the average person cultivating, even desiring to have a persona, or just a community, associated with self-assurance, biting mockery and being untouchable. For example, Keffals frequently dipped into this after the Farms was "down", because despite his grift being completely dependent on maintaining his image as a powerless, persecuted victim, in reality he much preferred the role of unstoppable edgelord who trolled other Leftists for their moral absolutism.

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One of the reasons the @thegooddoctor saga was so instructive was he wasn't famous or grifting - he came here looking for a social circle, attempted to parrot the non-PC Rightward opinions of many Farmers for years, and was discovered to be a friendless, unemployed ultra-Progressive autistic diaperfur who had no business being here. Here he is autistically expressing the social affirmation part aloud.

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Even just on the Farms - judgemental women revealed to be obese, LGBTQ+ trolls and critics revealed to be age of consent 'debaters', Vtuber haters revealed to want bugs up their assholes. People who use the word 'degeneracy' to refer to anything to the Left of Oliver Cromwell found sharing cat diaper fanfiction.
At one point, most on KF were aware we were throwing stones in a glass house. Ascended weirdos with a modicum of self-awareness watching weirdos with none.
 
If you didn't want me to be a smug nihilist, you probably shouldn't have made everything so shit. Sucks to suck. I can stay comfy longer than your gay retarded system can stay solvent.
 
Its ethos, no longer confined to places like 4chan, Kiwi Farms, and other “based” shitposting communities, is that one must always be unconcerned and completely cool. If you rile up the other side to meltdown, react indignantly, or become emotional, you win. Show any emotion yourself, besides mild amusement and detached smugness, and you lose. It’s a culture in which nothing is ever a big deal because nothing is really true; in which the highest calling is milking “lolcows” and the cardinal sin cringe is being earnest. Morality is for suckers, principles are for losers, and caring about things is lame and gay. We live in a clown world, this thinking goes, where everything is so hopelessly fake, corrupt, and mad that the only thing to do is laugh. But the joke’s on you.

Are you describing conservatives or liberals? (emphasis added)

smugness: John Oliver, Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert

nothing is really true: no such thing as objective reality, post-modernism, "my/his/her truth"

cardinal sin cringe is being earnest: Disney-era Marvel movies with Joss Whedon-style of character dialog where even in the midst of a battle between good and evil, they have to make wisecrack jokes because they're too scared to take things seriously

principles are for losers: "liberals would have no standards if not for double standards"

caring about things is lame and gay: a liberal every time people who care about their videos games noticing wokism creeping into their video game "why do you care about something so little?"
 
And just like that, the left has completed its transformation into the new puritan. A bunch of humorless, pearl-clutching, hand-wringing, finger-wagging scolds and hall monitors. Their own weapons of deconstruction and abolition of values have been turned against them, and they have been outmaneuvered by The Chuds. What's wrong, journofaggot? Have your expectations been subverted?
I look at things like White Wolf RPG books and think that people in the 90's were saying "it's a little edgy, but having lesbians and Indian people in these stories can be cool & refreshing eh?"

Somehow in only 15 years later they veered hard into "lesbians and Indian people are now mandatory and non-compliance means it's okay to ruin your career, credit score and ability to interact with payment processors & entire platforms." Is it any fucking wonder the public openly rejects this? Americans fundamentally do not want to be told what to do. When you finally broke the puritans behind the whole Satanic Panic, what made you think doing the exact same controlling bullshit was a good idea? Fucking retards.
 
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