We All Live on 4Chan Now - Right-wing troll culture has gone mainstream, but the joke's on all of us.

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When Paul Joseph Watson, the Infowars conspiracist whose primary contribution to humanity was popularizing the term “soy boy”, declared in 2017 that “conservatism is the new counter-culture”, he was met with derision, outrage, and ridicule from folks left of center. But he wasn’t wrong. True, Donald Trump and the Republicans held power in government, thanks largely to the minoritarian quirks of the electoral college, but the political right had little sway in the culture. Every avenue of information — universities, the press, the entertainment industry, book publishing, most knowledge-producing institutions, and every major social media platform — leaned hard to the left. Despite the fact that the general public was far more moderate and politically diverse, left-wing ideas, values, and sensibilities were somehow considered mainstream, while right-wing ideas, and in some cases even centrist views, were often treated as extreme, fringe, and out of bounds. As Johan Pregmo wrote years ago in these pages, “the left won the culture war.”

That was then. Before “social justice warrior” became “woke”, and before “woke” became “DEI.” Before the cultural left peaked and the vibes shifted. Before Twitter, Meta, and TikTok pivoted to the right. Before Amazon, Disney, and a host of other major companies backed away from progressive activism. Before President Trump swept back into power — not due to the technicalities of an arcane electoral system, but while winning the popular vote. Today, conservatism — or rather, right-wing populism — isn’t the counter-culture; it’s the establishment. In 2018, Andrew Sullivan wrote that “We All Live on Campus Now.” In 2025, we all live on 4chan.

Much like its avatar Donald Trump, the new cultural status quo borrows the style of right-wing troll culture but remains without any substance. It calls itself “conservative”, but there’s no philosophical there there. There are no coherent first principles or consistently applied values. This isn’t the conservatism of Edmund Burke, or Barry Goldwater, or even Dick Cheney. It’s a conservatism of vibes. A move-fast-and-break-things conservatism. A postmodern conservatism. A conservatism of provocation, gleeful arson, and most of all, nihilism.

Its ethos, no longer confined to places like 4chan, Kiwi Farms, and other “based” shitposting communities, is that one must always be unconcerned and completely cool. If you rile up the other side to meltdown, react indignantly, or become emotional, you win. Show any emotion yourself, besides mild amusement and detached smugness, and you lose. It’s a culture in which nothing is ever a big deal because nothing is really true; in which the highest calling is milking “lolcows” and the cardinal sin cringe is being earnest. Morality is for suckers, principles are for losers, and caring about things is lame and gay. We live in a clown world, this thinking goes, where everything is so hopelessly fake, corrupt, and mad that the only thing to do is laugh. But the joke’s on you.

Over the past couple years and especially in the last six months, this culture outgrew the online far-right and went mainstream. Today, liberals, moderates, libertarians, and virtually everyone right of center casually adopt aspects of the behavior, mannerisms, memes, style, and lingo of right-wing edgelords. Social circles that were moderate or merely non-woke two years ago are now ferociously anti-woke. Writers and editors I’ve worked with — political moderates with real reputations to protect — now commonly call people “retards” or use “gay” as an insult. Trans folks are now discussed as being obviously confused or mentally ill people claiming to be something they are not. Being concerned about minority groups in general is increasingly seen as cringe. And the threshold for outrage has achieved escape velocity from Earth. Suddenly, nothing is ever a big deal.

Nothing Donald Trump or his cronies could ever say or do matters, and anyone who sees anything amiss is suffering from terminal “Trump Derangement Syndrome.” Running roughshod over constitutional checks and balances? Who cares? Threatening to invade Greenland, Panama, and Canada? He probably won’t do it, calm down. Appointing a handful of unqualified shitposters to feed government programs into a “woodchipper”? So what? Pursuing public health policy based on conspiracy theories? You’re overreacting. Elon Musk and Steve Bannon throwing textbook Sieg Heils? Lol, it was just an awkward gesture, how dumb can you be? Trump referring to himself as a “king”? Nothing to see here.

Nobody outside of the progressive left wants to be seen evincing rational emotions in reaction to anything right-of-center, however concerning, damaging, or imbecilic. We must maintain an air of maximum no-big-deal-ness at all times, lest we be thought of as libtard TDS beta cucks. Many folks appear to have absorbed these new socio-cultural cues without seeming to have consciously realized it. Just as they once curated their public behavior to suit the sensibilities or avoid the ire of the woke left, they now do the same for our new culture police on the woke right.

Naturally, as with all things that happen on the political right, these new norms are drenched in self-serving, hypocritical bullshit. While the right has exported the values of troll culture with its apparently cavalier and amoral attitude toward life, moralizing has always been integral to right-wing messaging. When it comes to the black family, the conflicts between trans and biological women, education policy, or the illiberalism of the left, this new culture can preach on their soapbox with the best of them. And don’t get them started on Christianity. They pontificate about its vastly exaggerated role in creating the modern world — an achievement they hail even while despising modernity. They dream of destroying the separation of church and state and turning America into a Christian theocracy. And they insist that only Jesus can fill the meaning-shaped hole in today’s society. It all sounds an awful lot like caring to me.

Nihilistic, cynical troll culture is miserable, depraved, and bankrupt — intellectually and morally. But being a cafeteria nihilist, where nothing matters when it comes from the political right, but the end is nigh, repent ye sinners! when it comes from the left — that’s incoherent, dishonest, and well… retarded. If that’s what you want, far be it from me to stand in the way of your Pat-Robertson-as-the-Joker cosplay. Goodness knows it’s good for business. But if, as I suspect is often the case, people find themselves adopting these new norms subconsciously, maybe it’s worth pausing to question them.

It’s okay to care — indeed, it’s the first step to doing anything worthwhile in life. It’s okay to show emotions. It’s okay to be upset. It’s okay to have principles and to be outraged at the outrageous. Don’t give into this degeneracy. Don’t succumb to (selective) nihilism. Don’t give up out of some childish concern over seeming cool in front of the new popular kids. If this pivot from one set of culture cops to another can teach us anything, it’s the virtue of thinking for ourselves and not allowing some trendy clique to dictate how we behave. For one, that clique won’t always be trendy, and obeisance to extremists and assholes never looks good in hindsight. More than that, it highlights the importance of having values beyond “I want to be liked.” If that’s all there is, there’s truly no limit to what someone might say, do, or become just to fit in. And honestly, there’s nothing cringier either.

See also:Liberal Propaganda in the Age of Post-Truth

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I agree with him one point. 4chan, and often the farms, are depressingly nihilistic. People will bemoan mass-immigration, gender nonsense and the erosion of free speech but as soon as someone tries to do something about, it's: "Look at this trad-larper faggot". And if he happens to be weak on the Jews or he's obsessed with the Jews or he's weak on race or vaccines or he doesn't hold some kiwi's religious views, then a pox on him, he's a nigga and a faggot.
KF tends to get irony overdosed at times. If this sounds like you, Lord Doctor of the Large Pants prescribes one white pill every day. If the black pill is right, then taking it is pointless anyway. Take the white pill.

If the situation was hopeless, their propaganda would not be necessary.
 
but as soon as someone tries to do something about, it's: "Look at this trad-larper faggot".
probably because the people that "try to do something about it" vocally are usually either fake ass trad larper faggots or clout seeking mass shooting attempters. I "do something about it" by staying true to myself despite social pressures making it more financially incentivized to act like a fake fucking faggot.
 
Another liberal faggot whining because they didn't get their way. It's funny seeing a liberal whine about people being nihilistic. Since they pushed that ideology on people over the past 20 years. This is what happens when you do that. They told people not to care about stuff. Caring was not cool. Now nobody cares what happens to them.
Has 4chinz even been relevant since like 2016? I used to poke my nose in on the site every so often but around 2021 I took a look and it was unhinged troons, unhinged incels that may soon become troons, shareblue and other paid shills, bots, and nothing of substance.
Imageboards are a dead format. All of the heat that 8chan got around the Christchurch shit just put the last nail in the coffin. Even Jewsh's 9chan eventually went down the shitter.
Most people usually only go to 4chan for /pol/. I can count the number of times I used 4chan on one hand. Most people in the alt-right at least early on considered 4chan to be a hangout for losers. The 4chan types weren't really well liked in the alt-right by many people. I would even say the alt-right recruiting from 4chan was a big mistake. 4chan became a wignat treehouse. It was where they would all collect up. Some of the mass shooters in the past had a habit of posting their manifestos on 4chan as well. What happened with 4chan is that the people running it chased the wignats out. The wignats all ran to 8chan. That's about the time those racially charged mass shootings like the Dylan Roof shooting and that white guy that shot up that nigger grocery store. Eventually 8chan just shutdown. It had been turned into a wignat treehouse like what they tried to do with 4chan. But the 8chan people let it go too far. The wignats spent their time on 4chan and 8chan trying to talk mentally ill people weirdos and people with issues into doing mass shootings. They used to do this with Terry Davis. I saw it with my own eyes. But he wasn't so screwed up that he would do it. Obviously they were successful because there were mass shootings of a racially charged nature. The whole idea is they wanted to start a race war.

If you see people talking shit about 4chan and talking about how it's full of shills and Jews and shit like that that's why. It's mostly wignats that are unhappy because they lost their little treehouse and domestic terrorism recruitment center.
I wish we lived in the world they claim we do
So do I. People should really make their fantasy become reality.
 
KF tends to get irony overdosed at times. If this sounds like you, Lord Doctor of the Large Pants prescribes one white pill every day. If the black pill is right, then taking it is pointless anyway. Take the white pill.

If the situation was hopeless, their propaganda would not be necessary.

Irony was a big problem for western culture for a long time. It peaked around the late 90s and early 2000s. Everything had to be ironic. To be sincere about anything was to be a square. Comedy, music, TV; it all had to be drenched in irony and a carefree attitude. From Johnny Knoxville grinding against Japnese people in a thong, to Blink 182 running round with their dicks out to all the edgy comedians doing their rape jokes. It was a steaming pile of degeneracy and nihilism.

As we moved in to the 2010s, our overlords started to turn the dial up and we were forced to get real. Men started taking religion, politics, masculinity and history seriously again. I don't think the elites saw it coming. The men of 2000 would never have listened to broadcasters who advocated for female modesty, family stability, healthy living and so on.
 
Has 4chinz even been relevant since like 2016?
In my personal opinion 4chan died in 2008 when Project Chanology went mainstream. That was when all the normies took over and everyone became "anonymous". There was such a noticeable shift on all the board cultures where what used to be a fun niche little site to hang out on and discuss niche topics suddenly became utterly intolerable.
 
And just like that, the left has completed its transformation into the new puritan. A bunch of humorless, pearl-clutching, hand-wringing, finger-wagging scolds and hall monitors. Their own weapons of deconstruction and abolition of values have been turned against them, and they have been outmaneuvered by The Chuds. What's wrong, journofaggot? Have your expectations been subverted?
 
Irony was a big problem for western culture for a long time. It peaked around the late 90s and early 2000s.
it all had to be drenched in irony and a carefree attitude
I disagree on irony itself or a carefree attitude being a "problem". I've rarely ever seen anyone but actual feds and politics grifters talk about people being more chill and laid back/willing to joke about stuff as a bad thing. Post a certain point in the mid 2010s there was a clear change by media people from making fun of everything to only being allowed to do lifetime movie esque "man bad and dumb!!" shit that used to get laughed at for being actually horrible. It all was slathered in this immense corporate feeling too despite the people making it supposedly being communists or socialists in their own descriptions. This is due to how fake things began getting after a point.

Judging by the fact you're from 2024 shit makes me wonder....
Sometimes I forget that people that lived in this constant fear mongering world of the last 10 years as kids are now hitting their late teens and early 20s and now have begun parroting the same lies and hatred of anything other than being constantly obsessed with politics team shit 100% of the time. The same narratives and behavior as the supposed "experts" that have tormented people and actively snubbed entire life careers over petty shit like being born the wrong sex or skin color. The current state of things, "current year" or ""eternal 2016" as some call it is the result of ripples caused by the social engineering and subversion of the last attempt people almost fucked over career politicians and bankers going and spreading back to the source to some degree. Whether they believe shit or if it's the same smoke and mirrors game as it used to be it doesn't change the fact that NSA agents were ERPing and talking about transitioning because they liked boobs. The rot likely runs deeper than most of us can even fathom now.
 
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If you see people talking shit about 4chan and talking about how it's full of shills and Jews and shit like that that's why. It's mostly wignats that are unhappy because they lost their little treehouse and domestic terrorism recruitment center.
I liked /tg/, /v/ and /vg/, but the vidya boards got unusable around 2017. If it wasn't for /v/, I'd probably never have heard about Dwarf Fortress, one of my favorite games. I think I heard about Rust and PoE on /v/ or /vg/ and those were my jam for a while. /tg/ is slow as fuck and tabletop shit all seems to be moving to discords sadly.
I legit don't know how 4chan can even find people willing to advertise there. I'm convinced the feds helped keep the lights on to use it as a honeypot. Who knows? It might go belly up with DOGE looking into government spending.
The article really seems like it's talking about 2015 4chan, and not 2025 4chan. I don't even know who their target demographic is anymore.
 
For fucks sake imagine being THAT out of touch and disconnected from reality

Not only that but THIS GUY PUTS DICKS IN HIS ASS AND PUTS HIS DICK IN MENS ASSES.

can we just appreciate the pure insanity of letting such a person have a voice at all

now commonly call people “retards” or use “gay” as an insult.

That's normal. These are insults. I feel a tiny speck of empathy toward using retard as an insult. Because retards can't help their condition. But GAY is definitely and insult because it's a vile, disease-spreading behavior you choose

Like, a retard can't NOT be retarded. It's a dna thing. A gay person, if they're insulted, can literally just stop being gay
 
The actual problem here is that internet memes went mainstream, and like everything mainstream, it is now cringe and gay. Everyone thinks that they're at a fucking open mic now, which would actually be OK except for the fact that most people aren't funny.

So now the discourse is just people telling shitty jokes in the form of ripped off memes, and lame ass clap backs, and then somewhere in the middle of it you have trannies gooning off.
 
In my personal opinion 4chan died in 2008 when Project Chanology went mainstream. That was when all the normies took over and everyone became "anonymous". There was such a noticeable shift on all the board cultures where what used to be a fun niche little site to hang out on and discuss niche topics suddenly became utterly intolerable.
Gamergate killed 4chan because Moot left the site
 
Sorry, you don't get to moralfag about "muh values" and "muh norms" after decades of foisting nihilistic midwits like George Carlin and Jon Stewart upon us.

You want good little sniveling wimps like John McCain, who will wave the white flag and kiss your ass at the first cry of "racist!"

Sorry, bitchtits, those days are over. You've doled out this shit, now you're gonna eat it.
George Carlin would've ripped the wokesters a fresh new asshole if he was still alive.

 
Another liberal faggot whining because they didn't get their way. It's funny seeing a liberal whine about people being nihilistic.
That's not his point. He's saying that people of various stripes are adopting a nihilistic (read, cynical and indifferent) persona insincerely.

The online Left is obsessed with the projection of empathy and the importance of self. They overshare, they reveal themselves as vulnerable, disclose embarrassing details about themselves, they are quick to identify with and sometimes adopt oppression, weakness and lack of agency, champion minorities and promote a selective idea of tolerance and equality above all else. Their nihilism is sincere because they don't believe it to be such.

On the Right, it's the other way around. How many people who express 'based' views, have had their identities or private information revealed through OPSEC fail or just total stupidity been revealed to be hypocrites? Tranny mockers revealed to be tranny chasers or trannies themselves, Bible thumpers revealed to be homosexuals, anti-feminists revealed to be fat, porn-addicted neckbeards, strong , assertive personalities revealed to be needy or autistic, Nazi-lovers being paedophiles and lolicon enjoyers, white nationalists and supremacists revealed to be non-white? Even just on the Farms - judgemental women revealed to be obese, LGBTQ+ trolls and critics revealed to be age of consent 'debaters', Vtuber haters revealed to want bugs up their assholes. People who use the word 'degeneracy' to refer to anything to the Left of Oliver Cromwell found sharing cat diaper fanfiction.

There is a clear attraction to non-Leftists being seen as 'based' because not only is it naturally reactionary to the increasingly and obviously embarrassing far-Left that still largely dominates unpopular institutional culture, it also projects a visage of personal strength - that you're above it all, that you can think for yourself, that you're better than weak willed conformists, and that it is unbecoming to show weakness or personal defects. Biden, with his empathy, his DEI and his heal the world thinking, is out: Trump, country-first, don't fuck with me, get it done or you're fired attitude is in. What this guy is pointing out is that now it's become acceptable and mainstream, people with very real weaknesses and defects who don't wholeheartedly believe these things or are simply more moderate than they claim adopt these kinds of false personas and have created an artificial zeitgeist of cultural indifference.
 
I liked /tg/, /v/ and /vg/, but the vidya boards got unusable around 2017. If it wasn't for /v/, I'd probably never have heard about Dwarf Fortress, one of my favorite games. I think I heard about Rust and PoE on /v/ or /vg/ and those were my jam for a while. /tg/ is slow as fuck and tabletop shit all seems to be moving to discords sadly.
I legit don't know how 4chan can even find people willing to advertise there. I'm convinced the feds helped keep the lights on to use it as a honeypot. Who knows? It might go belly up with DOGE looking into government spending.
The article really seems like it's talking about 2015 4chan, and not 2025 4chan. I don't even know who their target demographic is anymore.
I don't know because like I said I haven't used 4chan much. I remember when the alt-right started using Pepe as mascot. The last time I saw Pepe before I found the alt-right he was smoking dope pissing with his pants around his ankles and fucking other cartoon animals. I was completely surprised to see a bunch of far right types posting Pepe memes everywhere. Considering that Pepe was pretty fucking degenerate from the mid to late 2000's and even early 2010's.

I usually get all my video game stuff from YouTube. I have since the late 2000's.
that's not his point. He's saying that people of various stripes are adopting a nihilistic (read, cynical and indifferent) persona insincerely.

The online Left is obsessed with the projection of empathy and the importance of self. They overshare, they reveal themselves as vulnerable, disclose embarrassing details about themselves, they are quick to identify with and sometimes adopt oppression, weakness and lack of agency, champion minorities and promote a selective idea of tolerance and equality above all else. Their nihilism is sincere because they don't believe it to be such.

On the Right, it's the other way around. How many people who express 'based' views, have had their identities or private information revealed through OPSEC fail or just total stupidity been revealed to be hypocrites? Tranny mockers revealed to be tranny chasers or trannies themselves, Bible thumpers revealed to be homosexuals, anti-feminists revealed to be fat, porn-addicted neckbeards, strong , assertive personalities revealed to be needy or autistic, Nazi-lovers being paedophiles and lolicon enjoyers, white nationalists and supremacists revealed to be non-white? Even just on the Farms - judgemental women revealed to be obese, LGBTQ+ trolls and critics revealed to be age of consent 'debaters', Vtuber haters revealed to want bugs up their assholes. People who use the word 'degeneracy' to refer to anything to the Left of Oliver Cromwell found sharing cat diaper fanfiction.

There is a clear attraction to non-Leftists being seen as 'based' because not only is it naturally reactionary to the increasingly and obviously embarrassing far-Left that still largely dominates unpopular institutional culture, it also projects a visage of personal strength - that you're above it all, that you can think for yourself, that you're better than weak willed conformists, and that it is unbecoming to show weakness or personal defects. Biden, with his empathy, his DEI and his heal the world thinking, is out: Trump, country-first, don't fuck with me, get it done or you're fired attitude is in. What this guy is pointing out is that now it's become acceptable and mainstream, people with very real weaknesses and defects who don't wholeheartedly believe these things or are simply more moderate than they claim adopt these kinds of false personas and have created an artificial zeitgeist of cultural indifference.
Yeah, grifting exists. I am sure there are grifters on the left. But that happens IRL as well. A few Republicans that did the whole moral fag thing got busted as faggots. People on the right just need to stop looking for internet daddies.
 
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