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Gonna have to re-watch it, but... No, actually. His stance IIRC was that it was a nothingburger. That a black Ultramarine made perfect sense given how many worlds the Ultramarines recruit from. (Edit: But that Ultramarines would end up looking like Guilliman at least somewhat.)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ol8Dv0ENEa0
He did point out that the Gene Seed would make the Space Marines tend to take on the racial characteristics / skintone of their Primarch, but that any significant length of time in a high UV environment would leave them dark skinned, at least temporarily, due to the Melanochrome. I don't remember if it was him or someone else that cited one of the BL novels in which some White Scar recruits end up taking on the racial characteristics of their primarch, being indistinguishable from people from the primarch's homeworld by the end, but yeah. His stance was basically, it's not a big deal, nothing to get worked up over, the Melanochrome and Gene-Seed treatment would make even a black Space Marine take on characteristics of Guilliman, but again, stupid thing to get worked up over... and yes, it's still probably pandering by GW.

Wouldn't the UltraSmurfs be the most likely to display varied melanin levels anyways, since they recruit from all across Ultramar? Calth is literally all underground, so being naturally pale there wouldn't be shocking, while being born on Macragge of somewhere similar would lead to a darker natural complexion. Besides which, I always though the UltraSmurfs were supposed to be "Mediterraneans in Space", so they're all supposed to range from dark coastal Italians to pale highlands Italians, for skintone.
 
Wouldn't the UltraSmurfs be the most likely to display varied melanin levels anyways, since they recruit from all across Ultramar? Calth is literally all underground, so being naturally pale there wouldn't be shocking, while being born on Macragge of somewhere similar would lead to a darker natural complexion. Besides which, I always though the UltraSmurfs were supposed to be "Mediterraneans in Space", so they're all supposed to range from dark coastal Italians to pale highlands Italians, for skintone.

Imperial Fists are likely to display a wide range of skin tones too, since they recruit from all over the galaxy. They've got recruitment rights on Terra, Inwit, and Necromunda, among other places.
 
Imperial Fists are likely to display a wide range of skin tones too, since they recruit from all over the galaxy. They've got recruitment rights on Terra, Inwit, and Necromunda, among other places.
But all of the places you mention would yield pale people: an iceball and two Hive worlds. A few pages back I actually used the example of the Fists as a chapter less likely to have diverse skin tones than the UM, who I agree would show a wide range.
 
But all of the places you mention would yield pale people: an iceball and two Hive worlds. A few pages back I actually used the example of the Fists as a chapter less likely to have diverse skin tones than the UM, who I agree would show a wide range.

Those aren't the only places they recruit from, just the ones that have been named. Fluff states that they have recruitment keeps on dozens of planets. Odds are a few of those will produce some diversity of tone.
 
But all of the places you mention would yield pale people: an iceball and two Hive worlds. A few pages back I actually used the example of the Fists as a chapter less likely to have diverse skin tones than the UM, who I agree would show a wide range.

Nigga, Necromunda is LITERALLY a planet full of rioters. I'm sure the Fists are, like, 50% kong.
 
Again, the only main chapters that it would be strange to see black dudes are the space wolves, raven guard(maybe???) and the white scar's. Again, now with primaris they probably have black dudes now anyway.
 
Again, the only main chapters that it would be strange to see black dudes are the space wolves, raven guard(maybe???) and the white scar's. Again, now with primaris they probably have black dudes now anyway.

Only gen1 Primaris, though. It's not like Cawl's Primaris are breeding or something.
 
Okay, you bastards have officially made me want to get back into 40K. I was checking out their Citadel (is it even called that anymore?) paint and about had a heart attack when I saw the prices on this stuff.

4-7 bucks for 12 ml? Am I seeing this right? Is this just the online store prices, and something I can get for less if I go to a store? That's kinda nuts. Everything on their website is pretty darned expensive, but the models/figures look better than I remember.

I've been looking around online for alternatives. I have a bunch of tamiya paint, but don't see people using that. I do see people using vallejo though.
 
I have a bunch of tamiya paint, but don't see people using that. I do see people using vallejo though.
thats because people are stupid... i use mostly revell acryl on my new guard, but thats because i got alot of them for supercheap.
I will try Heller colors soon, got myself a super cheap model with their colors included.
 
Okay, you bastards have officially made me want to get back into 40K. I was checking out their Citadel (is it even called that anymore?) paint and about had a heart attack when I saw the prices on this stuff.

4-7 bucks for 12 ml? Am I seeing this right? Is this just the online store prices, and something I can get for less if I go to a store? That's kinda nuts. Everything on their website is pretty darned expensive, but the models/figures look better than I remember.

I've been looking around online for alternatives. I have a bunch of tamiya paint, but don't see people using that. I do see people using vallejo though.
Any acrylic will do just fine. People like citidel because they don't have a firm grasp of color theory and the citidel ranges have really nice colors. If you want to use tamiya, just use tamiya it's no big deal. Personally for other projects in the past I have used army painter, vallejo, and tamiya paints and all are just find. At the end of the day sometimes it's easier to get the citidel color then trying to mix it youself if you don't have a strong grasp. Personally I like the consistency of citidel paint but I'm still working with it.
 
Okay, you bastards have officially made me want to get back into 40K. I was checking out their Citadel (is it even called that anymore?) paint and about had a heart attack when I saw the prices on this stuff.

4-7 bucks for 12 ml? Am I seeing this right? Is this just the online store prices, and something I can get for less if I go to a store? That's kinda nuts. Everything on their website is pretty darned expensive, but the models/figures look better than I remember.

I've been looking around online for alternatives. I have a bunch of tamiya paint, but don't see people using that. I do see people using vallejo though.

Buy army painter or valjeo paints instead since the only good thing GW makes now are washes.
 
eh id expect most chapters to have some mixed marines at this point in time given the vastness of the imperium, tho chapters like the carcharodons have their gene seed turn them into man sized sharks, pale skin and abyss black eyes and i believe gills to a certain extent. and am i right in thinking that depending on the gene-father of the chapter the marines will have similar features to said gene-father, or was someone like aximund just a one in a million coincidence?
 
eh id expect most chapters to have some mixed marines at this point in time given the vastness of the imperium, tho chapters like the carcharodons have their gene seed turn them into man sized sharks, pale skin and abyss black eyes and i believe gills to a certain extent. and am i right in thinking that depending on the gene-father of the chapter the marines will have similar features to said gene-father, or was someone like aximund just a one in a million coincidence?
The Luna wolves gene seed is specifically known to make them look more like their primarch then others. As for others, it reshapes their structures to varying degrees. Aximand is pointed out because he looked like a literal mini me of Horus.
 
Okay, you bastards have officially made me want to get back into 40K. I was checking out their Citadel (is it even called that anymore?) paint and about had a heart attack when I saw the prices on this stuff.

4-7 bucks for 12 ml? Am I seeing this right? Is this just the online store prices, and something I can get for less if I go to a store? That's kinda nuts. Everything on their website is pretty darned expensive, but the models/figures look better than I remember.

I've been looking around online for alternatives. I have a bunch of tamiya paint, but don't see people using that. I do see people using vallejo though.
Don’t know if it is just me, but I have gotten good shelf life out of citadel paints. I’m using paints that are at least 8 years old and they still work well.

You get what you pay for when it comes to paints, but I’d recommend getting leadbelcher citadel paint for your base coat metals. Something about it is just pleasing to paint with.
 
4-7 bucks for 12 ml? Am I seeing this right? Is this just the online store prices, and something I can get for less if I go to a store? That's kinda nuts. Everything on their website is pretty darned expensive, but the models/figures look better than I remember.

I've been looking around online for alternatives. I have a bunch of tamiya paint, but don't see people using that. I do see people using vallejo though.

Tamiya is geared towards airbrush anyway, some people get good results on brush.

The great thing about this horrid future we're trapped in, is that every week some new paint manufacturer will pop up.

Try out Vallejo, they have all kinds of paints (game color, air, opaque, inks, liquid metal) If you're a big babby who doesn't like the satin look and can't use a matt medium glaze, try out AK or scalecolor75. Scalecolor in particular has these heavy pigmented sets for green shit, demons, orky creatures, fleshy harlots, blood things, leathers.
Army painter have an extensive effects and washes range as well as paints, remember that their paints need to be pre-stirred before squeezing the dropper bottle, or you'll end up with colorless medium and add to the retarded myth on the internet that "army painter paints are baaAaaAd".
P3 and Coat d'Arms are made in the same factory I believe, their pots and formula are a near perfect match. Reaper sells smaller dropper "triad" packs where they tell you which color to use for base, layer and highlight, if you want to follow the traditional method.
Whatever you choose, you wanna have at least a bottle of matte medium (any brand) flow improver and airbrush thinner. They last forever and are much better for thinning and glazing than plain water (not saying you can't just use water, go ahead)

All of the pros have either a youtube or instagram or both and sometimes a patreon where they share their "shsssssshshs secrets" as to how to blend paints in inhuman ways. Object source lightning, non-metallic metal, textured, dual loaded brush, all kinds of new and interesting ways to paint your stuff. I suggest looking at the things they use (tldr: mostly a bit of everything)
By and large every big name pro has moved onto either kimera color or inks, simply on account of time-saving and better saturation.

Like everyone else has already said, buying citadel paint is for suckers or people who hate having extra money for miniatures.
 
Okay, you bastards have officially made me want to get back into 40K.

Really? As the Eye of Sauron becomes more fixated on us and the demand to turn 40k into J.J. Abrams' StarWarsTrek intensifies, I've been considering getting out.
 
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