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Holy shit I can't believe GW finally did it.
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Print on demand for people interested in the books with the better covers but not the signatures. Customers won't have to rely on scalpers and ebay, they can just buy what they want and it's only taken them a decade for someone at their HQ to figure this out.

They are also pushing "Armageddon" boxes hard. Not sure what those are. I assume new discount boxes. The ork one is tempted as my Dad loves trikes and the orks are riding some.
Yeah it's just the latest wave of discount boxes like the previous "eye of terror", "maelstrom", "500 worlds", and so on. They did similar at the end of 9th with the arks of omen boarding whatever boxes for that boarding action "game mode" they tried to introduce then.
There was a non-GW game, I forget the name. Some skirmish game set in a Venice like city. The game featured a lot of jumping around. So the terrain is all balconies and stairs.
Carnivale?
Then there's Infinity. The game is more expensive than 40k (at least where I live) but some sets have a bunch of buildings with stairs meant for rooftop sniping.
It's expensive in the US too. $100-130 MSRP for an action pack to have a usable team of 9-10 minis, and if you want to mix things up the boxes of 2-6 minis run $35-$90 with some of the solo minis being $30-55(there's also some that run like $20), and maybe 10-15% off from an online retailer. At that rate you're going to be in for $150-200 for 15 minis just to have a couple options for one army and that's before terrain or anything else. The "essentials" box is cheap, but it also only has 6 minis in it and a couple pieces of terrain along with a few dice and rules. It's not so expensive I'd never consider it, but the game is definitely expensive for what you're getting especially if there isn't already a decent size community for it.
 
I get that Age of Sigmar is memed on, but it is kinda funny that my local community is tempting me to get it, a lot more people play Spearhead at my game store than they do 40k

For context I think only like 4 people actually play full sized 40k games, while the store has 12 people in a spearhead league.

Spearhead being a more fleshed out game than combat patrol is genuinely hilarious. I just wish the normal human faction didn't look so bad, because I don't like Ground Marines all that much
 
I get that Age of Sigmar is memed on, but it is kinda funny that my local community is tempting me to get it, a lot more people play Spearhead at my game store than they do 40k

For context I think only like 4 people actually play full sized 40k games, while the store has 12 people in a spearhead league.

Spearhead being a more fleshed out game than combat patrol is genuinely hilarious. I just wish the normal human faction didn't look so bad, because I don't like Ground Marines all that much
The Cities of Sigmar being fleshed out with their dopey human centric with fat people and generic fantasy armor when it used to be a dumping ground for all the pre-AOS shit is the biggest downgrade ive seen, could've atleast gotten that back now that you can buy the pre AOS minis, but i suppose that one bit about GW allegedly not wanting too much game cross compatibility is true
 
The Cities of Sigmar being fleshed out with their dopey human centric with fat people and generic fantasy armor when it used to be a dumping ground for all the pre-AOS shit is the biggest downgrade ive seen, could've atleast gotten that back now that you can buy the pre AOS minis, but i suppose that one bit about GW allegedly not wanting too much game cross compatibility is true
Especially since the Empire of Man had an infinitely better look than Cities do.

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Compared to

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I get that Age of Sigmar is memed on, but it is kinda funny that my local community is tempting me to get it, a lot more people play Spearhead at my game store than they do 40k

For context I think only like 4 people actually play full sized 40k games, while the store has 12 people in a spearhead league.

Spearhead being a more fleshed out game than combat patrol is genuinely hilarious. I just wish the normal human faction didn't look so bad, because I don't like Ground Marines all that much
It's funny to laugh at Sigmar but it's overall okay and inoffensive. Some ideas are good and models can look really nice, and the jump from Fantasy allowed it to have a much better background than the average high fantasy series.

Shame the last two Gotrek books released were miserable to read, the first trilogy was pretty good.
 
It's funny to laugh at Sigmar but it's overall okay and inoffensive. Some ideas are good and models can look really nice, and the jump from Fantasy allowed it to have a much better background than the average high fantasy series.

Shame the last two Gotrek books released were miserable to read, the first trilogy was pretty good.
That might be my problem with it. It's safe "dark" Fantasy in a way that's similar to something like Trench Crusade. Where they are too afraid to really tackle dark shit like old Warhammer and old 40k were.

Modern 40k has started to suffer the same problem to be fair. But AOS started off watered down.
 
Especially since the Empire of Man had an infinitely better look than Cities do.

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proud unwashed peasants with crooked teeth proudly brandishing their AP2 halberds
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oddly multicultural group of mutts with retarded shields, trinkets, and not a single pole-arm in sight. If anything the art makes them look cooler than they are
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even better
proud unwashed peasants with crooked teeth proudly brandishing their AP2 halberds
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oddly multicultural group of mutts with retarded shields, trinkets, and not a single pole-arm in sight. If anything the art makes them look cooler than they are
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Yeah if I do end up getting into spearhead and don't end up getting Stormcasts since I can put helmets on all of them, I'll end up getting Cities of Sigmar and painting all of them white.
 
That's Carnevale by TTCombat. It was a pretty cool game but I hated the direction they took the game.
Off topic, but what did they do to it?

(and yes, Carnevale is what I was thinking of)

@Mr Clark
TTCombat does a bunch of knock off MDF versions of other games terrain. Like this not-Necromunda set.
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and the previously mentioned Carnevale stuff.
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I can't find it, but I remember them doing the Mordhiem starter terrain, which is some ruined buildings with ladders and walkways between.

Here's the battle systems version of the same kit, which is printed carboard.
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I have never bought from these companies, or played Mordhiem. I just heard repeatedly the terrain was fantastic, and it looks pretty vertical.

Iirc, the praise for Mordhiem and why it's terrain is recommended is, aside from value for money which doesn't apply, it was supposedly universal. Dense for a skirmish game, or spread it around for a full size game, and the generic farmhouse theme worked for virtually any setting. It was also modular without being annoying about it.

I just wish the normal human faction didn't look so bad, because I don't like Ground Marines all that much
I don't mind cities much, though I prefer the guns. Nothing like bringing a cannon to a swordfight.

But, I see a lot of CoS kitbashes on youtube. The reason being you get your big centerpiece from GW (like the cannons) and then fill out the rank and file with historicals you can get for a fraction of the price*.

If you want GW proportions, Warlord are more heroic in scale (or their Bolt Action stuff is at least, I never played their other games), and I used to single the praises of Wargames Atlantic a lot, but most history buffs seem to like Perry and Victrix. Never used Perry. Victrix are super cheap, but I bought their late war German kit for Bolt Action K47 and hated it.

*If Spearhead is your game though, it's false economy to go third party.
 
Print on demand for people interested in the books with the better covers but not the signatures. Customers won't have to rely on scalpers and ebay, they can just buy what they want and it's only taken them a decade for someone at their HQ to figure this out.

They went to print on demand because not only was the standard edition (that I got, which showed up with the flimsy paper slipcase fucked, whatever but annoying) semi-impossible to get, but the god damn special edition apparently got shipped to a handful of physical stores only for release. Originally, you were going to have to travel to a GW store (potentially hours) to maybe get the 1 or 2 that store would have. Instead, some stores got 20 and some got 0.

Like, six or seven stores in Europe period and a few in America, essentially at random and accident. They realized it would be too expensive to have them shipped back so they had the stores trash them. Torn up and pitched.

Now they offered print to order because the original signed versions literally no longer exist because they fucked it up at every step of the way.

The standard hardback are.... fine quality wise at least, the 'slipcase' pisses me off when they market it with one though.

Hopefully the book is at least good, I heard positive things.
 
They went to print on demand because not only was the standard edition (that I got, which showed up with the flimsy paper slipcase fucked, whatever but annoying) semi-impossible to get, but the god damn special edition apparently got shipped to a handful of physical stores only for release. Originally, you were going to have to travel to a GW store (potentially hours) to maybe get the 1 or 2 that store would have. Instead, some stores got 20 and some got 0.

Like, six or seven stores in Europe period and a few in America, essentially at random and accident. They realized it would be too expensive to have them shipped back so they had the stores trash them. Torn up and pitched.

Now they offered print to order because the original signed versions literally no longer exist because they fucked it up at every step of the way.

The standard hardback are.... fine quality wise at least, the 'slipcase' pisses me off when they market it with one though.

Hopefully the book is at least good, I heard positive things.
Well that's a shit show, but hopefully they get the idea that they can just do it going forward for more books.
 
Any recommendations for eldar novels? Thinking about getting a small force together and want to learn more about rhem.
 
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f you want GW proportions, Warlord are more heroic in scale (or their Bolt Action stuff is at least, I never played their other games), and I used to single the praises of Wargames Atlantic a lot, but most history buffs seem to like Perry and Victrix. Never used Perry. Victrix are super cheap, but I bought their late war German kit for Bolt Action K47 and hated it.
Perry's is spot on since it was the same scupltors as the old Empire models, a little box of their mercs gets you 12 infantrymen with spears/pikes or halberds, 12 crossbowmen, 12 gunners and full command with some command figures you can use to kitbash characters (i think its 40 models total), Warlord's pike and shot line as mentioned are very much more smaller than Perry models and much more realisticly sculpted, not heroic scale at all, i got a little box of their greatsword fellas and they ended up being manlets compared to the perry figures, if you separate them they look fine, though.

Havent bought them but they also have War of the Roses French and English that could work well, id reckon you could have a box of those and get a pretty good Bretonnian force full of peasants and a couple foot knights, although id reckon that you could also get decent results with Oathmark dudes for Bretonnia as long as you do a shield swap. Its a shame 40k is so specific due to their consolidation of their IPs that you cant really get anything that even vaugely looks like a space marine or guardsman third party, at best the WGA shit for the obscure IG regiments, maybe Marcher will end up decent if they do more plastic kits
 
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Off topic, but what did they do to it?
So as a Patrician player the changes they made hit me the hardest. They lowered point values to fit more dudes into each team and some units also got nerfs alongside that. Patricians were the elite faction so that took a lot of the identity away from them since the Barnabotti revolved around having higher stats than the common rabble. They also removed some units like their concubines because decadent nobles taking to the streets after a party to murder the poors is ok, but them bringing their whores with them when they do it is too much (even though the more recent Submissive Noble is clinging to the leg of his mistress). They also expanded the faction to include the Venetian navy (ok I guess, but not the aesthetic I want) and Ottoman sailors (again, I want Venetian nobles with a splash of foreign noble guests). Meanwhile they haven't released any Barnibotti (basic noble fighter unit) models in their store since the original release so there's only 3 unique models for them outside of a limited release they did for some magazine.

So the basic gist is I wanted to play the nobles faction for the nobles but they kept trying to push away from that.
 
Its a shame 40k is so specific due to their consolidation of their IPs that you cant really get anything that even vaugely looks like a space marine or guardsman third party, at best the WGA shit for the obscure IG regiments, maybe Marcher will end up decent if they do more plastic kits
What do you mean by obscure? Vostroyans and penal legions, sure.

Steel Legion and Catachan? Not really obscure imo.

And as for Death Corps, they are arguably more famous than Cadians and have plenty of third party kit bashes available.

Then there's Cadians. Part of why GW is fucking over Cadians is they were clearly meant to be colonial marines from Aliens, but that doesn't have the same cultural impact as it used to. While they don't look very Cadian, WGA does a fun kit of not-colonial-marines. If the pulse rifles aren't your aesthetic, you might get away with adding lasguns from Cannon Fodder? I don't know if I have any spares, but I might be able to kit bash a pseudo Cadian for you and see how it looks?

The problem with that is that, as prices have gone up, I don't know if it's cost effective. And you still need your HQ, vehicles, and what not.

This is why Spearhead doesn't work with third parties. There is not enough mass infantry to make it worthwhile.

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Ooh Rah in cadian colours
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Ooh Rah bodies with Cadian arms and heads
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id reckon that you could also get decent results with Oathmark dudes for Bretonnia as long as you do a shield swap.
Frostgrave too while you're at it. I adore Ospray's kits.

I never looked into Deus Vult/Fireforge stuff. I hear online their samurai are fantastic, but never heard about the rest of their range.
 
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What do you mean by obscure? Vostroyans and penal legions, sure.

Steel Legion and Catachan? Not really obscure imo.

And as for Death Corps, they are arguably more famous than Cadians and have plenty of third party kit bashes available.

Then there's Cadians. Part of why GW is fucking over Cadians is they were clearly meant to be colonial marines from Aliens, but that doesn't have the same cultural impact as it used to. While they don't look very Cadian, WGA does a fun kit of not-colonial-marines. If the pulse rifles aren't your aesthetic, you might get away with adding lasguns from Cannon Fodder? I don't know if I have any spares, but I might be able to kit bash a pseudo Cadian for you and see how it looks?

The problem with that is that, as prices have gone up, I don't know if it's cost effective. And you still need your HQ, vehicles, and what not.

This is why Spearhead doesn't work with third parties. There is not enough mass infantry to make it worthwhile.



Frostgrave too while you're at it. I adore Ospray's kits.

I never looked into Deus Vult/Fireforge stuff. I hear online their samurai are fantastic, but never heard about the rest of their range.
I had completely forgot about oorah and their colonial marine line, I was only thinking of their not Vostroyan, penal legion, and praetorians. I actually think that their not-steel legion dont quite scratch the itch of the OG minis, the look too bulky and they have G36 esque guns that kinda take me out of them being not Steel Legion, even with the same color scheme my brain doesn't really associate them with the SL
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Compare that to a slightly more shameless sculpt like Mad Robot's "Caipari Urban Shocktroops" I'm pretty sure there are plenty of 3d print designs that are also pretty shameless
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New Trailer I assume for the new edition.


Of course, the trailer pulls the "Most cruel and bloody regime imaginable" bullshit desperately trying to get people to hate the Imperium.

Someone has corrected me about this.

Also, Lasgun shots are now canonically yellow.

This was during Pariah Nexus
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Here's them being shot in the new trailer.

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Apparently red las shots might be a holdover from video games because official art from back in the day showed them as yellow.
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