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Professor Donger said:
Of course, the trailer pulls the "Most cruel and bloody regime imaginable" bullshit desperately trying to get people to hate the Imperium.
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It's the same script that appears at the start of just about every work GW publishes, from rules (above is literally from Rogue Trader) to Codices to BL slop. If you're treating the line as some new imposition instead of being able to recite it alongside the narrator (some odd pacing aside), you may genuinely have missed the point of 40k.
 
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Penne Dreadful said:
It's the same script that appears at the start of just about every work GW work, from rules (above is literally from Rogue Trader) to Codices to BL slop. If you're treating the line as some new imposition instead of being able to recite it alongside the narrator (some odd pacing aside), you may genuinely have missed the point of 40k.
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To be fair on my end, I didn't know this. I was introduced to 40k through Dawn of War and only recently got into the actual tabletop. I am glad to be corrected on that.
 
Professor Donger said:
To be fair on my end, I didn't know this. I was introduced to 40k through Dawn of War and only recently got into the actual tabletop. I am glad to be corrected on that.
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It's (in a somewhat altered form) in the Dawn of War manual, and probably in-game too, although I can't be bothered to reinstall to check.
 
Professor Donger said:
New Trailer I assume for the new edition.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=l0hD3KBwoiA
Of course, the trailer pulls the "Most cruel and bloody regime imaginable" bullshit desperately trying to get people to hate the Imperium.
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Can't blame you for a knee jerk reaction that you had since corrected but the entire crux is what people keep endlessly slapfighting by ignoring both ends
The imperium is needlessly cruel and corrupt, but also sometimes proactive in stopping a demon from assraping you for eternity
Both sides of the tourist isle (one more than the other, though) forget this to keep their own retarded forever culture war going for shekels and attention
 
Sunflower Samurai said:
Can't blame you for a knee jerk reaction that you had since corrected but the entire crux is what people keep endlessly slapfighting by ignoring both ends
The imperium is needlessly cruel and corrupt, but also sometimes proactive in stopping a demon from assraping you for eternity
Both sides of the tourist isle (one more than the other, though) forget this to keep their own retarded forever culture war going for shekels and attention
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Honestly I'm surprised GW never retired it when they were trying to paint Space Marines as the coolest things ever. There's so many books and audio dramas that hammer in the fact that the Imperium operates like that for a very good reason.
 
Idk what it is about Warhammer animations but I hate the fucking sound design. Everything sounds so... compressed? Like we're 2 steps away from having bitcrushed SFX. And nothing ever has as much "oomph" as I feel it should. Like Bolters never sound good. Darktide is about the only thing that's ever had Bolters sound like the nightmare fuel they're described as, and Astartes of course.
Penne Dreadful said:
View attachment 9081137It's (in a somewhat altered form) in the Dawn of War manual, and probably in-game too, although I can't be bothered to reinstall to check.
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It's in basically everything 40k ever, which makes the little spergout extra retarded.
Buckaroo said:
when they were trying to paint Space Marines as the coolest things ever.
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Did that stop? Cause I don't think it did.
 
Rick The Stick said:
Idk what it is about Warhammer animations but I hate the fucking sound design. Everything sounds so... compressed? Like we're 2 steps away from having bitcrushed SFX. And nothing ever has as much "oomph" as I feel it should. Like Bolters never sound good. Darktide is about the only thing that's ever had Bolters sound like the nightmare fuel they're described as, and Astartes of course.
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GW is consistently pretty bad with it, or at least whoever they've been paying to make some of their animations for the past few years. It's also way more than just gun shots, even the step the titan takes in the video sounds weak as shit because there's practically no dynamic range. Just listen to about the 1:16 mark when the BA deflects a bolter round with the storm shield and then I guess lets loose a "battle meh". Yes, there's a narrator doing a voiceover, but properly mixing the audio would mean that the background(all of the shit we're seeing on screen) can still have dynamic range and be audible without overpowering the narration.
 
Buckaroo said:
Not in the books, but a while back they put out an article saying you're supposed to think the Imperium are the most evil of all factions and you shouldn't like them.
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Which is retarded, the only option is to cheer on the most genocidal and oppressive regime in human history. Any other faction will see you enslaved, murdered, eaten and raped.

Humans could collectively reject the regime, but they already tried that and it some how ended up being even worse.
 
creaturestorm said:
Which is retarded, the only option is to cheer on the most genocidal and oppressive regime in human history. Any other faction will see you enslaved, murdered, eaten and raped.
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Reminder that the Imperium is not cruel, oppressive and genocidal by choice - they have tried every other alternative and it simply doesn't work.

Be tolerant of other religions and ideologies, you will get infiltrated by Chaos cultists and your planet consumed by the Warp. Let the xenos live, only to get stabbed in the back them when you're at your weakest, trust in technology and progress, only for the machines to turn against you and nearly wipe your race out.

The only thing that works, and has repeatedly proven to work, is the God Emperor of Mankind and faith in Him.

There's a reason why everyone else is scared shitless of the Emperor.

The gayest part of the lore is that the Tau somehow get away with all the things the Imperium can't do, and it never bites them in the ass. They're begging for an AI rebellion, or for one of their psyker client races to fall to Chaos and swallow whole solar systems into the Warp.

It's genuinely insulting there's no Tau that fall to Chaos - and no, have little presence in the Warp is not a safeguard, even Pariahs can be overwhelmed by a potent enough Warp entity. They have no religious or institutional safeguards to protect themselves against it, there should be Chaos cults running ragged all over the place in their joke of an empire.
 
regalterry said:
Reminder that the Imperium is not cruel, oppressive and genocidal by choice - they have tried every other alternative and it simply doesn't work.

Be tolerant of other religions and ideologies, you will get infiltrated by Chaos cultists and your planet consumed by the Warp. Let the xenos live, only to get stabbed in the back them when you're at your weakest, trust in technology and progress, only for the machines to turn against you and nearly wipe your race out.

The only thing that works, and has repeatedly proven to work, is the God Emperor of Mankind and faith in Him.

There's a reason why everyone else is scared shitless of the Emperor.

The gayest part of the lore is that the Tau somehow get away with all the things the Imperium can't do, and it never bites them in the ass. They're begging for an AI rebellion, or for one of their psyker client races to fall to Chaos and swallow whole solar systems into the Warp.

It's genuinely insulting there's no Tau that fall to Chaos - and no, have little presence in the Warp is not a safeguard, even Pariahs can be overwhelmed by a potent enough Warp entity. They have no religious or institutional safeguards to protect themselves against it, there should be Chaos cults running ragged all over the place in their joke of an empire.
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The lore has been frozen for a LONG time and only just recently have they started thawing it out. Taus time will come.

They are 1 stage before IoM. Ascendency (Tau) -> Upheaval (DAoT, HH, Men of Iron) -> Stagnant (IoM) -> Dying (Eldar) -> Dead (Necron). They are meant to be what 30k Imperium looks like. Growing, optimistic, naive.

The problem is that IF they move Tau into the next stage, there is no new kid on the block. The best they can do is offer minor AI, chaos and auxiliary rebellion plot lines but nothing too substantial otherwise you upset the balance (without making a 50k with a new Tau race somewhere).
 
regalterry said:
They have no religious or institutional safeguards to protect themselves against it, there should be Chaos cults running ragged all over the place in their joke of an empire.
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Their main advantage is surveilance. Same with the Genestealer problem. Harder for cults to form if you aren't in a hive where a million people can disappear before an enforcer do soemthing. As well just giving people what they need, as Guilliman points.

I wold reccomend you to check Fire Caste to see the Tau at their worst.
Just don't like em. said:
Any recommendations for eldar novels? Thinking about getting a small force together and want to learn more about rhem.
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Short stories, but check The Marauder Lives, The Oubliette, Turn of the Addler and the Path of the Dark Eldar Trilogy, which is some of the best stuff GW ever released, shame Andy Chambers is mostly working on IP managing since them.
Honestly JC Stearns could take the spot as the main Eldar writer and Thrope could remain as worldbuilder, which he can do.

I liked how in Black Crusade there is two places with feral Hellbrutes going around, the Gates of Moment and the Hollows (which is a terminal point of stuff sucked by Vortex Grenades)
 
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winderson_silva said:
Harder for cults to form if you aren't in a hive where a million people can disappear before an enforcer do soemthing. As well just giving people what they need, as Guilliman points.
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Both of those points are iffy, though.

The Tau might operate on a smaller scale, but so does their intelligence apparatus. It's no more easy to keep track of a world of a billion people than it is of a hive of a billion people. It's likely even harder to keep track of a population scattered all across a planet, rather than one centralized in a single location.

The second one doesn't make any sense either, Imperial nobles have everything they could ever want, and more, and still fall for Chaos on the regular.

Chaos doesn't care about your wants and needs, all it cares is to find a crack, no matter how small, to slither through. Merely seeing a Chaos symbol is enough to start someone down the path of corruption.

Also, Tau have been exposed to Chaos forces, and if they were treated like any other race (barring ones that developer specific ways to counter corruption) there would be Tau getting tainted simply by looking at Chaos symbols or being in the proximity of Chaos forces.

And that still doesn't explain how they have psyker species in their alliance and somehow, magically, avoid Chaos outbreaks.

winderson_silva said:
I wold reccomend you to check Fire Caste to see the Tau at their worst.
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They're always at their worst because they're the writers' pets and nothing bad ever happens to them.

Everything all the other races have to suffer through, they never seem to have a problem with.
 
regalterry said:
And that still doesn't explain how they have psyker species in their alliance and somehow, magically, avoid Chaos outbreaks.
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Because GW doesn't make Xenos x Chaos stories. That's it. They should be dealing with it. In over 20 years, the only thing we've gotten about how the Tau deal with psykers is a single Patreon AMA by Gav Thorpe where he just shrugs and says, "They let the auxiliars do it."

As far as we know, the Nicassar are as good at dealing with Chaos as the Eldar are, but then again, GW wants you to believe the Tau know nothing about things they have been dealing with for over a thousand years. Like the idea they could not comprehend Titans, Psykers, and Hives despite having fought Orks for millennia before meeting the Imperium, am I to believe they never met a single Gargant before? Not a single Weirdboy? Not a single Ork city with billions of Orks?

regalterry said:
They're always at their worst because they're the writers' pets and nothing bad ever happens to them.
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Just read it, you can find it online in seconds, and it is one of the best-written novels BL has ever produced. It shows how cruel they can be.
Mr Clark said:
The problem is that IF they move Tau into the next stage, there is no new kid on the block. The best they can do is offer minor AI, chaos and auxiliary rebellion plot lines but nothing too substantial otherwise you upset the balance (without making a 50k with a new Tau race somewhere).
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The problem is that over 300 years have passed in-universe, but GW (and the fans) want the Tau to remain static. When they made new Battlesuits for 7th ed, the Farsight books went with "These suits are prototypes" to explain them being around before the First Damocles War, but somehow not present during the War.

That is how you got fans going "Did you know a single Hive World has more people than the Tau Empire?" ignoring that since that early point, the Tau met, and conquered, multiple hives, Sa'cea alone got a population of Trillions.

The Tau have existed for as long as the Necrons out of universe, but as the guy who writes 90% of their novels can't write a plot to save his life, they are nowhere as interesting as the Necrons.
 
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