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iceteayo said:
One faction that goes against the inherent themes of a setting is good but you still have retards listing off Dawn of war 1 endings as a great source to own the tau. It’s been 20 years they are more true to 40k at this point than you can admit.

Also just turning them into the covenant from halo is not a good answer too.
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I always thought a decent way to go with the tau was have them speed run dark age of technology humanity, fuck around with AI to expand their empire, and unintentionally start another cybernetic revolt because correct me if I'm wrong, the threat of the one back in M23 was so big that humanity ended up allying with several xeno factions to put it down.
Not sure if the Votan and Vashtorr throw a wrench into this or not with the formers ancestor AI spirts and the later looking for a few AI for his arks.
 
>buys 2 boxes of veteran guardsmen for a full kill team
>realize I have 2 units of Death Korps

So I guess if I buy a few more boxes for infantry units, a few to use with field ordinance, and some tanks/sentinels I can have a cheaper Death Korps army than Forgeworld sells
 
Progress update of my overlord that I posted earlier. I settled on a blue glow effect which I managed to rescue after a disastrous application of terradon turquoise with a heavy drybrush of stork green.
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Steinercard said:
This isn't the checkmate you think it is. Even with discounts, third party sellers have to inflate the price to meet GW's wholesale price. Which just increased by a large factor to discourage third party sellers. So it's the same bullshit. And still overpriced. Even if it's not the fault of the third party sellers it's still a bad deal for the consumer compared to 3D printing your own minis and using OPR which is free.
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Inflate the price..uh-huh. Question then, why say a box of Squihog Boyz is like 55 euros on the GW store, and a 3rd party store I get 'em from they're worth their 38.55 euros, so where's this price inflation you talk about?
 
Steinercard said:
Buy a resin 3D printer if you don't feel like remortgaging your house. I know I annoy people by saying this but IDGAF, if you're buying from GW at this point you deserve scorn and pity. Their minis are shit, half arsed and overpriced. You can get the smaller resin printers for about the price you'd pay for 2k points of your favourite army. Around £150 to £200. You can print a full squad of infantry for between £1-£2 and a whole army for the price of a 1L bottle of resin. Which fluctuates between £25-£27 depending on brand on Amazon.
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As someone with a 3D printer and encourages people interested in anything that requires miniatures to get one, I think it's stupid to suggest it's easy to get into because of the low price.

Cheaper printers have smaller build plates which means you can print few objects at once which drastically increases the amount of time required, and then there's the period of time where people new to 3D printing have to learn how to get their settings and supports right. Then there's the idiots clogging up sites with their untested, error prone minis that wont print right unless you open it in blender to fix it yourself.

Telling people to just buy a printer for a cheap and easy army without warning them about the issues is just telling them to waste money before they go back to buying GW.
 
Love Machine said:
3d printer fags are the vegans of this hobby at this point.
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Honestly yeah, 3D printers are best used for enhancing your 40k miniatures instead outright replacing them.

Also to go more into the time spent 3D printing, I just started printing up conversion bits for a rough rider and that's going to take 80 minutes just for one. Time always gets glossed over by the psychotically anti-GW shills.
 
3d printing is in shitty resin, less details etc.
I would use it for OOP stuff only.

The cost argument also forgets these printers ain't cheap.

On Primaris, they are bland. Monopose isn't good either, they got less weapon options.

You can kitbash them to look better, but still can't shake their aspect warrior like loadouts with current rules.
 
Steinercard said:
Buy a resin 3D printer if you don't feel like remortgaging your house. I know I annoy people by saying this but IDGAF, if you're buying from GW at this point you deserve scorn and pity. Their minis are shit, half arsed and overpriced. You can get the smaller resin printers for about the price you'd pay for 2k points of your favourite army. Around £150 to £200. You can print a full squad of infantry for between £1-£2 and a whole army for the price of a 1L bottle of resin. Which fluctuates between £25-£27 depending on brand on Amazon. Avoid the Games Workshop shops too. The employees are massive cunts and will try to push you to buy stuff to meet quotas. And two of the shops I went into recently wouldn't even let you play the damn game other than demo games of the starter set. So the entire point of their shops as a meeting place to play the game is invalid and frankly they might as well not exist if that's the case. Just go straight online.

As a comparison here are some MK2 Heresy Era marines I printed recently. You'd get them from Forge World and pay up the arse for them. But they cost me £1.50 for everything for one squad including special weapons and a Captain HQ unit.

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The fact you have everything priced in £ tells me everything I need to know.
 
Male Idiot said:
The cost argument also forgets these printers ain't cheap.
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Most of the lower end 2k printers are about as expensive as a combat patrol (<$200). The quality of most warhammer printing comes down to shitty models, not the printer. 2k is plenty high for tabletop models and the average non-printer has a hard time telling the difference between 2k and 4k detail. I can churn out magic on a $150 printer if I have a high resolution file. Honestly the hardest part is finding good files because GW bombards big stl file websites with DMCA claims. There's also a lot of people happy to snitch out these files to GW so they often have to change names and locations. Once you figure out where the file trading telegrams and discords are, you're fine. There's also a lot of professional 3d modelers that distribute files through their patreon that are often better looking than their GW counterpart. My Nightbringer comes to mind.

Resin printing is also a shitload easier than FDM printing and FDM printing is already a really popular hobby. I could teach someone to be effective with a resin printer and slicing software in a weekend. In response to the models being fragile, it depends on the resin you use. I use cheap resin and my models break no more or less than my GW ones. At least when a resin model breaks I can reprint or repair it. When all the fingers magically fall off the necrons on my catacomb command barge, I either have to green stuff the missing parts or dish out another $50 for a new model.

Transcendant C'tan sold 3d printing for me. It's the cheapest C'tan shard in terms of points and it's also the smallest. The model isn't available on it's own, so you have to purchase a tesseract vault ($170). Once you build the model you want, you've got about $150 worth of spare parts for a model you didn't want just to own a model that should be available on it's own for $30-$50. Instead of buying the tesseract vault, I spent the exact same amount of money on a printer and resin. I got the transcendant C'tan model I wanted, plus have printed entire armies for the cost I would have spent on 1 model and a bunch of trash.

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If you have the ability to throw hundreds and thousands of dollars at a hobby without caring, go nuts and buy the models. If you're dead set on playing sanctioned tournaments then buy the models. If you're one of those people that like hobbies where people that spend a lot of money shit on people for not spending a lot of money, go ahead and buy. Pretty much every other player would be better served by getting into resin printing. The skill curve is about on par with teaching someone how to change their own oil.
 
Steinercard said:
This isn't the checkmate you think it is. Even with discounts, third party sellers have to inflate the price to meet GW's wholesale price. Which just increased by a large factor to discourage third party sellers. So it's the same bullshit. And still overpriced. Even if it's not the fault of the third party sellers it's still a bad deal for the consumer compared to 3D printing your own minis and using OPR which is free.
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Wait when did they increase the wholesale price?
 
I'm cautiously optimistic about 10th after the reveal, I've been wanting a reduction in lethality for a while.
Love Machine said:
3d printer fags are the vegans of this hobby at this point.
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I have a printer but it is not for everyone, it's a hobby in itself and handling the resin is not fun at all. It stinks and if you get it on you, you'll know.

That said there's some fantastic models out there, but it is not an outright replacement for regular models and won't be for a long time.
 
Steinercard said:
I know I annoy people by saying this but IDGAF, if you're buying from GW at this point you deserve scorn and pity. Their minis are shit, half arsed and overpriced.
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Why are printfags always so histrionic and insufferable? And "truescale" marines too lmao, nice job with your realistic and sensible looking power fist it's so much more mature and serious looking bro.
 
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