Warcraft III: Refunded General - How one company managed to mess up a remaster of a 17 year old game.

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Jaimas said:
A sampling of her tweets on Trump:
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On Feminism:
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She's a fan of Feminist Frequency:
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All we need now is her sperging about Gamergate and we have a full bingo card:
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Fucking amazing.
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So do these companies EVER vet the people they hire and check their social media status? Especially for a person who works primarily in company PR and communications?

This is a Dina Abou Karam waiting to happen all over again...
 
That Chris Guy said:
So do these companies EVER vet the people they hire and check their social media status? Especially for a person who works primarily in company PR and communications?

This is a Dina Abou Karam waiting to happen all over again...
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I will bet an entire bag of Hershey's Kisses that she got that position because she was dating or fucking a staffer.

At ground zero of every Social Justice infestation is one thirsty cuck who gave in too much.
 
How connected is GOG to CD Projekt Red?

Because After Warcraft 3 we now have precedent of people coming for your old games. They may start a list of problematic games and may make a first rather innocuous request like adding a warning screen to problem games, but it probably won't end there and then start full on censorship or removal.

GOG galaxy can force updates on clients, it hasn't yet but it's entirely possible.
 
The good news is that she's only a community manager and CDPR's got a history of those that are complete speds, and, while annoying, don't have much damage potential to whatever they're attached to. Just last year they canned one who was pretty much constantly Trump sperging.

Marissa Moira said:
How connected is GOG to CD Projekt Red?

Because After Warcraft 3 we now have precedent of people coming for your old games. They may start a list of problematic games and may make a first rather innocuous request like adding a warning screen to problem games, but it probably won't end there and then start full on censorship or removal.

GOG galaxy can force updates on clients, it hasn't yet but it's entirely possible.
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The reason WC3's blastback is as big as it is is because this entire fucking thing is unprecedented. Blizzard has held onto Battle.net the entire time, so they can actually get away with shit like this, except for those who refuse to use Blizzard's service. Of course, most modern rigs won't run the older games without some finegling or clever use of DOSbox, so Blizzard is taking full advantage to push Reforged on everyone. This is also pretty much why we can guarantee that the Diablo II Remaster is going to do the same thing. A game that worked perfectly fine and would have only needed slight tweaks is now being turned into an online-only experience and basic features have been removed. The EULA in turn ensures a much weaker experience.

But all of this follows Blizzard's current path just fine. We all know why they're being done.

China will pirate the fuck out of the game unless they make it online-only (ignoring that the game's nearly 20 years old already and thus that boat sailed sometime in the early 2000s), which is also why they toned down the gore. The EULA changes are so that if another DOTA comes down the pipe, they can own that, even though if Blizzard had played their cards right, that wouldn't have been an issue in the first place and the EULA changes are, if anything, going to mostly kill off custom map support. They retroactively "upgraded" everyone who bought WC3 (and pirated it) to Reforged so that all the pirates could be brought in line, ignoring that the only way to play the game now without fuck-ups now is piracy.

All of this is happening because Blizzard still controls Battle.net and they're going to try to use that to push this shit under the argument of keeping the games playable. It's never going to work; too many people see through it, and it takes basically nothing to include things like IP matchmaking and LAN matchmaking, which are way easier to implement than dedicated servers, to the point where basically every game that has offline has it. It's just one more way that a company is trying to maintain control of what you bought decades after the fact and the PC gaming crowd is having none of that shit as evidenced by Reforged's metascore.
 
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Marissa Moira said:
This is it friends, western gaming is dead.
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It's never too late to hop on the weeb wagon.
 
Jaimas said:
The good news is that she's only a community manager and CDPR's got a history of those that are complete speds, and, while annoying, don't have much damage potential to whatever they're attached to. Just last year they canned one who was pretty much constantly Trump sperging.
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Unless her role as CM will be passing suggestions to devs from REEEEra :stress:
 
Jaimas said:
I feel the need to dissect this fucking post from Blizzard, so emphasis mine, as ever, in orange, and I'll hopefully generate enough vitriol for all of you for a bit. Courage.

You stupid, stupid motherfuckers.

You want to know why you're getting review bombed and your one-time fans are now getting torches and pitchforks ready? Shit like this introductory sentence. You literally lead off, not by accepting responsibility, by acknowledging the fuck-up, or trying to do any damage control, but by pawning the problem off on the customers themselves.

Yes, it's the fucking customers' fault that the game they paid for is a slipshod mess. Not the multinational corporation that somehow fucked a 17-year old game up for those who bought the original.



Server load is not even close to the top of the list of what people were mad about, and you fucking know it. Go on though, Blizz, thrill me. What aspect of reforged do you wanna touch upon?



You mean the same team that loved the game so much that they replaced an easter egg for one of the head developers of the original game, almost 20 years after its release with someone who barely even worked on Reforged for diversity reasons, ergo retroactively removing him from the game he worked on after-the-fact? The same team that loved it so much that they redacted several of the in-game unit lines for being too racy or having jokes that the team working on it clearly found offensive? The same team that loved Warcraft III so much that they removed the gore for the Chinese audience? Or the team that loved Warcraft III so much they decided to remove support for custom campaigns?



I choose to note that one of the items you did not mention was that Reforged locks your fucking graphical settings on Classic mode, preventing you from enabling features like Shadows that were available in the original, but not in Reforged on Classic. I also choose to note that you haven't even begun to address the myriad model issues.



It's going to take more than a model cleanup and some moderate patches to fix this fucking thing. Clan support and leaderboards aren't even top ten on the list of things people are complaining about right now, and the sooner you realize that, the sooner people can even pretend to have hope for Diablo IV. As things are right now, people are terrified your Diablo II remake is going to fuck the game up, and they are right to be concerned.



Whoa, whoa, there, Fucko.

You just fucking admitted you're removing all support for the base game of WC3 entirely, and that any players who want to play with the original game's ruleset (which many have argued is better balanced) will need to not only use use the expansion (and thus Reforged in this case), but use custom maps to specifically fudge the rules. It can't work the other way because there's tons of units and game mechanics in the expansion that weren't in the original (such as the shop buildings), so you can't make it work the other way.

....Essentially, for all purposes, this means you can't fucking play non-expansion Warcraft III online anymore, even though you fucking could until Reforged broke it, another game fucked over almost 20 years after its release.

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....Excelsior.

WC3 original supported dial-up, direct IP connection, and LAN connection, like basically every single game from that time period, but Reforged removed all of those. Essentially, this means that if you have WC3 original (or preferred it), fuck you, you're using Reforged now.



Yeah, that isn't what you advertised at all. At Blizzcon you showed an entirely different fucking game, buddy:
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You aren't salvaging this. You promised a completely fucking different visual theme and then gave an touched-up original. That blade has dropped, your head is already in the basket, your metacritic scores are in the toilet and your fans want to launch your dev team into the ocean via trebuchet.



Try "doesn't address any of the community's concerns in the slightest."

The blatantly disrespectful removal of Samwise Didier's icon? Not addressed.
The censored lines? Not addressed.
The censored gore? Not addressed.
The fact that Reforged retroactively broke a 15+ year-old game? Not addressed.
The fact that Reforged removed a ton of matchmaking and development options? Not addressed.
The numerous crash bugs? Not addressed.
The changes to the EULA? Not addressed.
The fact that Reforged killed WC3 original multiplayer? Not addressed.
The fact that the game is now always online? Not addressed.
The fact that the new client is an overglorified Chrome app that uses six times the resources of the actual game? Not addressed.
The fact that the new client is completely unprotected and could send malicious code? Not addressed.
The fact that you can immediately tell who is using what race in multiplayer even through fog of war? Not addressed.

You're zero for fucking twelve, Blizzard. No one believes you.

TL;DR: Holy shit the level of zero fucks given right now on Blizzard's part.

I can't fucking believe they honestly admitted that they're removing support for WC3:ROC and making it impossible to play multiplayer.

That's fucking insane.
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I was just browsing through this on a whim and holy shit.

Could you imagine them doing this kind of thing to Brood War? (Assuming there hasn't been some recent bullshit that happened with that game I haven't heard about yet) That shit would cause some heads to roll.
 
Overcast said:
I was just browsing through this on a whim and holy shit.

Could you imagine them doing this kind of thing to Brood War? (Assuming there hasn't been some recent bullshit that happened with that game I haven't heard about yet) That shit would cause some heads to roll.
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We honestly lucked out with that one. The SC Remaster was basically the original game redone with SC2's engine, and because of that, they can't just go back and take the originals back from the customer like they did WC3. SC and BW will run fine in Dosbox and haven't had major updates in years. So you won't lose anything and everything still works.
 
Jaimas said:
We honestly lucked out with that one. The SC Remaster was basically the original game redone with SC2's engine, and because of that, they can't just go back and take the originals back from the customer like they did WC3. SC and BW will run fine in Dosbox and haven't had major updates in years. So you won't lose anything and everything still works.
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Until Blizzard comes out with the "innovative" idea of a remaster sequel (a remaster 2.0, if you will, created to "keep the spirit of the games alive through constant updates, meant to streamline the game to match the current trends 'high standards of quality' in the industry"), or decides to retroactively enforce their new EULA across all their games and updates both SC Remaster and Diablo II to fit in with these new guidelines.

Or both. They could very easily do both.
 
Dont know if this was posted already but someone complained to blizzard about their game not being able to run on old pcs thanks to their stupidity and their response was: "are you poor? Dont you have money for a better pc lol"

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OmnipotentStupidity said:
Until Blizzard comes out with the "innovative" idea of a remaster sequel (a remaster 2.0, if you will, created to "keep the spirit of the games alive through constant updates, meant to streamline the game to match the current trends 'high standards of quality' in the industry"), or decides to retroactively enforce their new EULA across all their games and updates both SC Remaster and Diablo II to fit in with these new guidelines.

Or both. They could very easily do both.
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Doesn't matter if they do.

Old versions are basically locked down by virtue of being able to run fine in current architecture without needing to bend the knee.

The reason they got away with it in WC3 was solely because support for it was maintained. After this, fucking no one is taking chances.
 
Bruh I just wanted to feel bad for my peons whilst also abusing them for their labour in slightly higher fidelity graphics.
Oh well back to war games.
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